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veganism is not for everyone, we are made to be omnivores.
meat itself is not bad per se, it's the phenomenal amounts consumed, and the terrible conditions factory farming imposes on the livestock and the ecosystem, which translates into toxic meat.

unless you are a master gardener like fukuoka, you're going to need to build your soil to grow crops, and i can't see anything but positives in small-to-medium scale animal husbandry, with its varieties of manure to enrich the compost pile.

even if you're a vegan and raise animals, i bet you can get a whole lot of lentils in trade for a rabbit or duck.

win/win!  

 

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Sep 8th, 2010 at 08:52:25 AM EST
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Please say that we developed as omnivores. It makes my head hurt less.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Sep 8th, 2010 at 09:07:55 AM EST
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haha, ok.

at least i didn't say 'designed'!

the ratio of 'canine' human teeth to the others, is pretty self-explanatory...

plus the length of our gut.

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Sep 8th, 2010 at 12:35:12 PM EST
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And the fact that our eyes are located on the same side of the head - that's the predator configuration (for maximum depth perception). Eyes on either side of the head is the prey configuration (for maximum directional coverage). Not only are we evolved to eat meat - we're evolved to kill stuff more often than run away from stuff.

- Jake

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by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Wed Sep 8th, 2010 at 01:37:05 PM EST
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of you with both eyes on the same side of your head... like a flounder. Or a Picasso.

I suppose you mean, "on the front of our heads".

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Thu Sep 9th, 2010 at 06:48:45 AM EST
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"Ce qui vient au monde pour ne rien troubler ne mérite ni égards ni patience." René Char
by Melanchthon on Thu Sep 9th, 2010 at 07:13:51 AM EST
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The thing about being an omnivore, biologically, is that we can eat pretty well anything. And be reasonably healthy on an extraordinary range of different diets. A  characteristic we share with pigs and rats.

So, veganism is not for everyone, as you say Melo... nor is pure carnivorism, though both are valid and potentially healthy human diets. Historically and pre-historically, a base of vegetable/cereal with occasional meat is probably the norm for the great majority of human groups : whether gatherer/hunter or small farmers.

In terms of bang for your buck, not all animals are equal. Pigs are more equal than others (as Orwell noted). Poultry are even better. I'm talking about the ratio of conversion of fodder into meat. Small farmers know this intuitively.

Beef is pretty lousy, except for the fact (assertion?) that there are large areas which are only good for grazing... however, in Europe at least, most of the cattle get most of their food from specially-grown crops, not from grass or hay.

I must look up the numbers for sheep meat.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Thu Sep 9th, 2010 at 06:47:00 AM EST
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