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Turns out that meat production isn't intrinsically a bad idea, but industrial feeding good grain to animals is

A good question is of course if what amount of meat/person one can eat from appropriately raised animals without long transports. If one lives in Mongolia, the answer is a lot, but I do not live in Mongolia.

I suspect for the average city-dwelling westerner the change in amount would require eating enough new greens and grains to make it look almost like turning vegetarian.

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by A swedish kind of death on Wed Sep 8th, 2010 at 10:50:44 AM EST
What do you mean by long?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Sep 8th, 2010 at 12:18:33 PM EST
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A swedish kind of death:
I suspect for the average city-dwelling westerner the change in amount would require eating enough new greens and grains to make it look almost like turning vegetarian.

yup, like in many chinese dishes, the meat is almost token amounts, or in moroccan cuisine, stewed tajin of veggies together with a big old marrowbone.

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by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Sep 8th, 2010 at 12:39:03 PM EST
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Depends on what sort of meat you're talking about.

If it's salted, dried and/or smoked on-site, it will keep for long enough to be transported by ship, which is not terribly energy-intensive. Good sausage or properly smoked and dried ham (not the kind of watery crap we get in Scandinavia) will easily stay both tasty and healthy for a month or two without refrigeration, as long as it is kept dry. Add vacuum-packing and a sterile processing environment, and you could easily push unrefrigerated lifetime into the range you need for intercontinental transportation.

And as long as it's produced on the same continent, there's the option of running an electric rail line out there and refrigerating it for transport using sustainable electricity production. Trivial? No. Cheap? No. But at this point in time, nothing about creating a sustainable industrial society is going to be easy and cheap - the window of opportunity for easy closed a decade ago, and the window of opportunity for cheap closed a decade before that, at least.

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by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Wed Sep 8th, 2010 at 01:45:46 PM EST
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Good point. But if we do not limit ourselves based on distance to production that just means that we can divide the different foodstuffs on more persons.

And with a reasonably fair division (sustainable meat production on the planet/capita), I guess the resulting diet would have much less meat then average consumption in the western world.

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by A swedish kind of death on Thu Sep 9th, 2010 at 11:26:06 AM EST
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