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EUobserver.com / Political Affairs / UK left out as 26 EU countries to draft new treaty

BRUSSELS - A group of 26 EU member states is to forge ahead with an intergovernmental agreement on tightening economic governance in the eurozone, following a stormy summit in Brussels that saw the UK sidelined after it overplayed its hand.

All 17 euro countries as well as nine of the non-euro countries have said they will make a pact outside the current EU treaty, although the Czech Republic, Hungary, Sweden, Denmark and Bulgaria say they need to seek parliamentary approval of the move first. Only the UK has refused to join.



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One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Dec 9th, 2011 at 01:10:26 PM EST
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Treaty change: What the Parliament thinks | EurActiv
Political groups in the European Parliament are widely sceptical of a Franco-German push for a treaty change, arguing it will do little to solve the eurozone crisis in the near term. EurActiv has compiled the views of the Assembly's main political groups.

...Martin Schultz, president of the the Socialists and Democrats Group (S&D):

"I am against a treaty change and this is not only the Social Democrats saying it - all groups in the European Parliament, I repeat, all groups in the European Parliament will send [Parliament President Jerzy] Buzek tomorrow to the council's meeting with the message that we are against a treaty change, because it is not necessary.

..."I think what we need are decisions about the role of the European Central Bank. Is the ECB for some member states in the eurozone a kind of lender of last resort? In my eyes, yes, but we should confirm it. We should secondly decide how far-reaching the measures taken by the ECB could be.

..."To propose budgetary discipline exclusively, by ideological reasons, without the necessary measures on the side - especially investment in growth - makes no sense and that is why what is on the table is unbalanced. If the eurozone collapsed it would be a disaster. I think that whatever we do, we must have a goal: to keep Europe united."



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One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Dec 9th, 2011 at 01:12:02 PM EST
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Treaty change: What the Parliament thinks | EurActiv

Guy Verhofstadt, president, Alliance of Liberals and Democrats for Europe (ALDE):

..."The ECB role should be buttressed, as intervention in the past has been crucial, but they should take that decision independently rather than be told what to do by governments. The European Commission should clearly be in the driving seat, both in proposing the package of measures and in enforcing them as we insisted during 6-pack negotiations. There can be no future for an intergovernmental Union.

"Eurobonds should not be dismissed out of hand but the options should be examined carefully. ... The Union should establish a system of common issuance of bonds that mutualise in a progressive and partial way eurozone debt up to a maximum of 60% of GDP with differentiated interest rates within this range.



*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Dec 9th, 2011 at 01:12:58 PM EST
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Treaty change: What the Parliament thinks | EurActiv

Green group's co-presidents Rebecca Harms and Dany Cohn-Bendit:

..."In order to stanch the sovereign debt crisis, until a more durable, treaty-based solution can be implemented, EU leaders need to finally support the only short-term solution at hand: the backstop of the European Central Bank.

"The European Central Bank has been playing the role of lender of last resort to the private sector for a long time. It is also already de facto playing this role for eurozone sovereigns to some extent.

..."The failed intergovernmental approach, which so far has only delivered damaging pro-cyclical austerity and brought the euro to the brink, must be jettisoned. This implies tasking the European Commission with the economic governance of the euro, while providing for commensurate democratic oversight by the European Parliament and Council.



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One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Dec 9th, 2011 at 01:13:19 PM EST
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'Germans have to realize that a central bank has to provide liquidity' | World | Deutsche Welle | 09.12.2011
Last year's Nobel laureate for economics tells Deutsche Welle that Germany must accept that the ECB has to act as a lender of last resort. But Dale Mortensen also supports Berlin's quest for fiscal unity.


*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Dec 9th, 2011 at 01:13:30 PM EST
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Federalists want 'people agora' to decide EU future | EurActiv

Participants in a 'shadow summit' hosted yesterday (8 December) by the federalist Spinelli Group said they were "fed up" with the secretive political deals of EU leaders and called for a convention to map out a new vision for Europe.

The shadow summit denounced the Franco-German `directoire' and the two nation's initiative to cobble together a European treaty outside the EU framework.

Instead, it advocated a convention of representatives from the European and national parliaments, the Commission, civic organisations and heads of state.



*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Dec 9th, 2011 at 01:13:45 PM EST
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EUobserver.com / Political Affairs / Stop criticising Merkel, Danish PM says
BRUSSELS - With Denmark taking over the EU presidency in January PM Helle Thorning-Schmidt has said she will fight to make sure that fellow non-eurozone countries are involved in all discussions concerning the internal market, as the eurozone crisis drives a potentially major wedge between those in and outside the single currency.

"I have no problems understanding that the 17 need to discuss certain things themselves. I think that is natural. But when we are discussing things that concern the internal market, we should all 27 be around the table," she told EUobserver ahead of a key summit of EU leaders.

...The Danish premier refused to criticise Berlin's leadership in the crisis, despite the fact that Germany's approach has raised hackles in some quarters both on substance and style.

"Anyone who criticises Chancellor Merkel for taking too much responsibility would have to see the opposite situation where Germany did not take that kind of responsibility," she said.



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One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Dec 9th, 2011 at 01:13:58 PM EST
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EUobserver.com / Economic Affairs / Hungary: UK is alone in staying out of new EU Treaty

BRUSSELS - Hungary has been "completely misunderstood" on its position on the new EU treaty amid reports it will boycott the agreement together with the UK, the country's EU affairs minister said on Friday (9 December).

Preliminary conclusions drafted in the early hours of Friday suggested that Hungary and Britain were the only countries rejecting the agreement on strengthening fiscal rules via a new treaty. But Budapest has said it simply wants to first consult its parliament - just as Bulgaria, the Czech republic, Denmark and Sweden - in a line to be enshrined in the final summit conclusions.

Hungarian media reports that the "being misunderstood" line is only for the public, and PM Viktor Orbán actually changed his position from Thursday to Friday. The interesting part is that the Orbán government put a debt brake into Hungary's new constitution, too, but now wants to delay it taking effect until 2016...

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Fri Dec 9th, 2011 at 01:14:27 PM EST
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John Lichfield: Cameron has played a poor hand badly - John Lichfield - Commentators - The Independent
Britain's future? Proud isolation: like the Cayman Islands, but without the weather

Britain is not leaving the European Union, just yet. But the EU may already have abandoned Britain. The fog of the Battle of Brussels, 8-9 December 2011, is still clearing. But psychologically and politically a Rubicon has been crossed, both in Brussels and in London.

The Prime Minister has played a poor hand very badly. He has put Britain into a position of deep isolation within the EU which even Mrs Thatcher in her "money-back" days skilfully avoided. He has given the circling sharks of the Eurosceptic backbenchers and press a taste of blood which could rapidly turn into a feeding frenzy.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Dec 10th, 2011 at 01:16:27 AM EST
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A lot of comment in the Independent and Guardian is critical.

The rest of the media seems to be in party mood with the Express and Mail putting out the decorations to celebrate our imminent exit from the EU. Next stop: the British Empire

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Dec 10th, 2011 at 08:43:38 AM EST
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Helen:
Next stop: the British Empire

cameron's political philosophy aside, he is doing europe a favour by butting out. britain's banks owe 4-5 times UK GDP, and the city is the main conduit for ponzi financing imported from geithnerville into yurp. not that we didn't teach them the tricks, lol.

have you read the diary on dkos about bank of santander and their lovely techniques for debt repos? http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/12/09/1043726/-Banco-Santander:-The-epitome-of-bankster-evil?via= spotlight  

opus dei, a proto-european phenomenon, doing god's wet work over there in the New World. born to flagellate, flagellate they will... we have enough corruption of our own on the continent, why not let the brits sort out their problems?

until the city's shenanigans are exposed and regulated, then europe has a hard enough job sorting itself without britain's default risk added to the soup.

once they run out of bandaids for british bankstering bluffs, then cameron will eat his words, and his voters will get what they wanted, an england without the EU to blame for everything wrong in the world.

blair split his trousers trying to straddle the paradox of being half in and half out of the EU!

most folks i talk to in italy have totally lost respect for britain's caginess, trying to have the eurobennies yet always balking at true solidarity.

it's not surprising call me dave wants out, after doing so much to sabotage the project! mission undermine accomplished...

things will go a lot better for the EU without more of the city's poison funny money, we have enough of our own anyway, especially if we keep 'marking to merkel'! sure frankfurt and paris will be more accountable? maybe...

gordon brown sold half of britain's gold... without the cancer that is the city sapping its talent and hollowing out its capital, england could build a real recovery. until then, it's better that she cleans up her own mess without further trojan horseplay cross channel. want unbridled robber capitalism and water cannon for crowd control?

how fitting to now watch the tories sundering under the pressure of all the hypocritical positions they take, couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of conmen.

and please can we stop seeing hague talking about iran? he's scary when he puffs up all bristle and gristle, more than blunkett, straw and reid in the good old days when we had a lefty† govt in GB.

†splutter... choke.

"It's very hard to see what is kept invisible" Roseanne Barr

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sat Dec 10th, 2011 at 09:31:44 AM EST
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With The City having generated debt seven times the UK's GDP almost ANY change in the negative direction will ensure a collapse and only continual, profitable growth of that debt will allow the status quo to continue. Cameron and Osborne's austerity program ensures that the UK's GDP will shrink but only part of The City's loans are to domestic entities. Unfortunately, the US GDP is starting to contract again, Europe is starting to contract, China is starting to contract and the mother of all depressions is looming. It is likely to hit the UK particularly hard, so everything learned about personal survival during the '30s is particularly apt just now. Just don't expect any 'Keynesian' solutions until the UK gets a change of governments.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sat Dec 10th, 2011 at 12:03:40 PM EST
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Bye Bye Britain: The European Union's New Face - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International
The European Union on Thursday night dropped the hypocrisy. No longer is harmony the overriding goal. That, though, means that Great Britain may no longer have a place at the table. London must decide whether it wants to remain part of Europe or not.

Europe on Friday awoke to a changed world. The European idea as we know it is in the process of dissolving into thin air. The monumental postwar project of a peacefully unified continent where all member states hold hands in friendship collapsed overnight.

OAS_RICH('Middle2'); The European Union has divided itself in the face of crisis. On the one side is the common currency union, which is following the Franco-German desire to grow together as a way to finally get the euro crisis under control.

And more on the topic from the SPIEGEL:

'Cameron Is a Coward': European Politicians Slam British EU Veto - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International

Following David Cameron's veto of EU treaty reform, there is plenty of frustration in Europe over Britain's stubborn attitude in the battle against the debt crisis. Prominent members of the European Parliament have strongly criticized the British prime minister and sent him a clear message: Europe doesn't need you.

Britain vs. the EU 26: The Man Who Said No to Europe - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International

British Prime Minister David Cameron has completely isolated his country on the European stage -- and many in his country applaud him for it. But he will soon have to prove that London still has clout in the EU, and that his no to fiscal union wasn't just a bone thrown to euroskeptic conservatives.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Dec 10th, 2011 at 01:19:08 AM EST
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AFP: UK Press jubilant at EU treaty veto

"The Day He Put Britain First" cheered the Daily Mail, after the prime minister blocked Franco-German attempts to enshrine new budget rules into a modified EU treaty during an all-night summit in Brussels.

"Mr Cameron?s courage and leadership yesterday show that, while desiring a strong relationship with our EU partners, Britain can still control her own destiny," it said in an editorial.

Warning that "the battle is only just beginning", the paper said: "There is now a wonderful opportunity for Britain gradually to loosen itself from the shackles of a statist, over-regulated, anti-democratic, corrupt EU."

The Daily Express, which has long been campaigning for Britain to leave the European Union, was also jubilant, splashing with: "Britain Close to EU Exit".

The Sun joined the approval wagon, putting a picture of Cameron dressed as wartime leader Winston Churchill on its front page with the defiant headline "Up Eurs -- Bulldog PM sticks up for Britain".

The Daily Telegraph said the prime minister "stands as lone man of Europe" -- and made clear that this was a good thing.



Europeans think a hundred miles is a long way. Americans think a hundred years is a long time.
by Bernard on Sat Dec 10th, 2011 at 04:47:53 AM EST
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Cameron gave Merkozy and the rest of the European Council a convenient way to divert public attention away from their latest attempt to usurp democratic structures.

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by DoDo on Sat Dec 10th, 2011 at 06:09:54 AM EST
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Unity dearly bought - Die Zeit/Presseurop (English)
Without doubt, Angela Merkel and Nicolas Sarkozy have taken a big step nearer their goal of a fiscal union. But at what price? Britain remains outside it. The salvation or the disintegration of the Union is now approaching.

Was this the night the euro was saved? Or will those ten hours go down in history as the meeting that broke the EU? In any event, the heads of government of the 27 EU countries could hardly have set the stage for the ongoing finale of Operation Save the Euro any more dramatically.

Before the actual meeting on Thursday evening, Angela Merkel, Nicolas Sarkozy and David Cameron had already got together in a threesome: the Briton, that much was certain, would play in a major role in the coming hours. What followed was a hard, sometimes very hard struggle before the French President, shortly after five in the morning, came out to announce the outcome of the all-night negotiations.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Dec 10th, 2011 at 01:21:22 AM EST
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Mixed Dutch reactions to euro deal | Radio Netherlands Worldwide

There have been mixed reactions from Dutch political parties to the euro accord reached at the European Union summit in Brussels.

The conservative VVD and Christian Democrats, members of the minority governing coalition, have come out broadly in favour of the deal, while the major opposition parties have criticised it as being weak. Opposition Labour MP Ronald Plasterk:

"Labour's bitterly disappointed. It looks like the government leaders have been unable to rise to the challenge. In fact, you could say the European Union is now split. There are partial agreements on budget discipline and the emergency fund and absolutely no agreements on reining in the financial sector."

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Dec 10th, 2011 at 01:23:08 AM EST
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New Statesman - The EU treaty is a disaster for the left
Stop crowing about Cameron - this is just the latest attack on European democracy.

Stop your crowing about Cameron leaving Britain marginalised, lefties. The proposed EU treaty is perhaps the biggest catastrophe to befall the European left since World War II.

Sounds like semi-deranged hyperbole? Consider this. As Paul Mason has written, "by enshrining in national and international law the need for balanced budgets and near-zero structural deficits, the eurozone has outlawed expansionary fiscal policy."

Read that last bit carefully. Left-wing governments of all hues will be effectively banned by this treaty. If the French or German left return to power in the near future (and they are in a good position to do so), it will be illegal for them to respond to the global economic catastrophe with anything but austerity. An economic stimulus is forbidden -- because the treaty has buried Keynesianism.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Dec 10th, 2011 at 01:38:08 AM EST
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New Statesman - The EU treaty is a disaster for the left
Francois Hollande -- the Socialist candidate for the French Presidency -- has already spoken out against a treaty cooked up by Europe's overwhelmingly right-of-centre governments. If we're going to listen to European leaders, Hollande is a sounder bet than avowed right-wingers like Nicolas Sarkozy and Angela Merkel.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Dec 10th, 2011 at 01:38:41 AM EST
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Not so fast. If the treaty change comes at all, it will come in two years or so. If the Left returns to power after government change in France and Germany, the whole thing may be stopped (though that's a hard bet if "the Left" will be led by uninspiring triangulators). If that happens, the Right will simply use the reversal for its rhetoric in opposition. (I am thinking lately that the constitutional debt brakes, too, will be violated at will by any government but it will be right-wing ones that will use the debt brakes to decry the policy of left-wing ones.)

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by DoDo on Sat Dec 10th, 2011 at 06:16:41 AM EST
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After 30 years, City of London loses Brussels | New Europe

Britain has become sub-marginal following the EU Summit of 9 December, which reshaped the geo-economic direction of the European continent with the acceleration of fiscal union, a process that will include reinforced regulation and supervision at a European level.

The attempts by UK Prime Minister David Cameron and the City of London to block financial supervision and the strengthening of the Eurozone have failed dramatically and have left the United Kingdom isolated and trailing behind developments. The new situation brings to a close the 30 years of undisputed British domination of Europe's finances, which intensified in the past decade and blocked the European Union from advancing towards a European system for banking supervision, which if it had been introduced a decade ago would have largely prevented the present Eurozone crisis.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Dec 10th, 2011 at 01:49:58 AM EST
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IF TRUE, this will, by itself, lead to a collapse of The City's financial bubble, which will likely bring down the rest of the existing world financial system. We might have to stumble through a burning landscape, but, at least, much of what created the mess will be smoke and ash. That would be better than having the depression and keeping the existing financial sector.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sat Dec 10th, 2011 at 12:21:23 PM EST
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EU Thorning: We haven’t decided yet - Politiken.dk

Denmark has not yet decided whether it will join the new agreement among the 17 Eurozone members according to Prime Minster Helle Thorning-Schmidt.

"Obviously we will have to discuss the issue with Parliament as to whether we join or not. What we have said is that we will be coming to the meeting today, which we will do. But obviously, Denmark has a euro opt-out. We cannot become part of anything until we have discussed the issue with Parliament," Ritzau reports Thorning-Schmidt as saying.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Dec 10th, 2011 at 01:52:47 AM EST
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