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Good point about 1989. What I meant was that in 1848 it was not so much of an undercurrent as a principal point on equal standing with democracy. And it was a nationalism that often did not match the existing borders. The break-up of Russia did feature those though.

What I am getting at is that if this was 1848 the Tahrir crowd would have been demanding "Mubarak out and lets get a Pan-Arab congress" or "Mubarak out and lets conquer our lost territories in Gaza". Or at least that is my impression.

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by A swedish kind of death on Tue Feb 22nd, 2011 at 03:13:14 PM EST
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I certainly see that point. But to me it still looks like a 1968 type conflict using 1848 tactics: A coalition of labour and liberal intellectuals - with varying relative strength depending on the country you are looking at. Going up against regimes that never read the 20th century playbook for how to contain popular uprisings, and therefore responded with 1848-style repression. Plus a dose of pre-modern tribal conflict thrown in for good measure, in the countries where such social units still exist in strength.

1989 was much more of a "collapsing empire can't hang on to its tributaries" thing. In that sense, 1989 is more similar to the late '90s to early '00s anticolonial movement in Latin America.

(Incidentally, an important reason the 1989 colonial revolts didn't feature as much squabbling over borders was probably that Europe had spent the 141 years since 1848 shedding blood, tears and treasure in the effort to create ethnically "pure" states.)

- Jake

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by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Tue Feb 22nd, 2011 at 04:33:47 PM EST
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