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(Cheat sheet: Countries that devalue win relative to countries that commit Austerity against their economies.)
- Jake If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.
Was French unemployment worse in 93-08 than it was in 78-93? Growth? General state of the economy? How about Italy? Greece? Spain? Wind power
There was a bubble, ie a perception of more wealth than there really was, and there needs to be a downwards adjustment of sorts. The questions are how big it is, and who bears the pain.
My point is to say that the bigger problem is the allocation of pain rather than the size of the crash. Asset owners, in particular financial asset owners, are protected at the expense of workers. Austerity ensures that, but it can certainly also happen under devaluation/inflation, depending on which policies go along.
I don't think there's anything today that cannot be solved by high marginal tax rates and severe re-regulation (and breakup) of banks. Wind power
My point is to say that the bigger problem is the allocation of pain rather than the size of the crash. Asset owners, in particular financial asset owners, are protected at the expense of workers. Austerity ensures that, but it can certainly also happen under devaluation/inflation, depending on which policies go along. I don't think there's anything today that cannot be solved by high marginal tax rates and severe re-regulation (and breakup) of banks.
I don't think there's anything today that cannot be solved by high marginal tax rates and severe re-regulation (and breakup) of banks.
How would this solve the problems of Portugal?
As I see it, the currency union means that the peripheral countries need transfers and an industrial policy or we are eventually facing the depopulation of the periphery. A vote for PES is a vote for EPP! A vote for EPP is a vote for PES! Support the coalition, vote EPP-PES in 2009!
But the problem isn't just the fact that the policies make no sense - it's that there's no group or organisation that can offer a solid counterpunch against them.
Effectively the Bundesbank and "investors" decide policy, and governments exist solely to implement it.
If the policy happens to be suicidally inappropriate for a given government, that government can always be replaced.
However, governments are not allowed to set policy for banks and investors. Even minor restrictions, like the ones being proposed in the UK, are met with outraged howls and self-righteous huffing.
It's obvious that nation states are no longer able to act as sovereign entities. Even when pols understand what's happening, and don't choose to be complicit with it, there's very little individual governments can do.
The only workable solution is an EU-wide - preferably an international - political front to oppose investor domination.
This can't take the form of a single party or wing, but has to include senior (dissenting) figures from across the region working together and coordinating responses and actions.
This isn't likely to happen - I'm not holding my breath for it. But unfortunately I think it may be the only way to stop the neo-lib thugs before they break something permanently.
China will continue to buy Spanish debt and will help to fund a restructuring of its savings banks, a Spanish government source said after Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao met Spanish Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero in Beijing.
['s Macho Moment of the Day™ Technology] It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
senior (dissenting) figures from across the region working together
a choir in the wilderness? The power of knowledge is in mortal combat with the knowledge of power. It really is that simple... That's the Edenic apple we are all munching on.
Asset owners, in particular financial asset owners, are protected at the expense of workers. Austerity ensures that, but it can certainly also happen under devaluation/inflation, depending on which policies go along.
Inflation helps the owners of productive assets if higher prices allow them to pocket higher margins. Other than that, inflation is bad for the wealthy. Economics is politics by other means
Potentially including all pensioners.
Inflation helps the owners of productive assets if higher prices allow them to pocket higher margins.
Except when imported raw materials make up a high part of their production costs.
Additionally, when inflation is chiefly inflation of imported food and heating fuel, that will disproportionately hit the poor. *Lunatic*, n. One whose delusions are out of fashion.
Debt Asset owners are not protected by inflation. Potentially including all pensioners.
Debt Asset owners are not protected by inflation.
But that is an argument against privatising pensions, not an argument against inflation.
Inflation helps the owners of productive assets if higher prices allow them to pocket higher margins. Except when imported raw materials make up a high part of their production costs. Additionally, when inflation is chiefly inflation of imported food and heating fuel, that will disproportionately hit the poor.
Additionally, when inflation is chiefly inflation of imported food and heating fuel, that will disproportionately hit the poor.
True. But imported inflation is not amenable to fiscal or interest rate policy. The only long-term way to deal with imported inflation is import substitution or reduced dependence on the goods in question. And the short-term solution to imported inflation - interest rate hikes or austerity in order to improve (or defend) your terms of trade with RoW - works at cross purposes with the industrial policy required to reduce your import dependencies.
What is the relationship there? Pensions weren't yet privatised when this happened to pensioners in ex-communist states. Methinks this has more to do with the model of retirement funds as a pot of lifetime savings, whether private or state-run.
And the short-term solution to imported inflation - interest rate hikes or austerity in order to improve (or defend) your terms of trade with RoW - works at cross purposes with the industrial policy required to reduce your import dependencies.
Does that apply to basic food items and heating fuel?
Let me add a third problem I see with the inflation narrative: on the side of wealthy people. What inflation eats away at is the value of their assets. If they can decouple at least a good part of their income from asset prices and keep their assets (bee it gold or stocks in companies not going bust or means of production), then they don't loose anything physical, and the value of those assets will rebound in the next rally. I imagine this is not something that can't be countered with some nice taxes on wealth, but don't you agree that the rich don't automatically suffer the inflation route? *Lunatic*, n. One whose delusions are out of fashion.
Well, yes, the point of retaining state control of the pensions is that you can index them, precisely because the state works on cash rather than accrual accounting.
Suppose you want to actively reduce your import dependency on fuel. This requires you to, in the aggregate, invest more in your housing stock and industrial plant than you would under a business-as-usual scenario. Both contractionary fiscal policy and contractionary interest rate policy will impair that investment. I suppose that in principle you might reconcile overall contractionary policy with greater targeted investment if you go all-out command economy in the relevant sectors, but as long as you want to retain a monetary economy with fungible money it's hard to see how that would work in practise.
Let me add a third problem I see with the inflation narrative: on the side of wealthy people. What inflation eats away at is the value of their assets. If they can decouple at least a good part of their income from asset prices and keep their assets (bee it gold or stocks in companies not going bust or means of production), then they don't loose anything physical, and the value of those assets will rebound in the next rally. I imagine this is not something that can't be countered with some nice taxes on wealth, but don't you agree that the rich don't automatically suffer the inflation route?
Inflation is not a tax on wealth, it's a tax on lazy money. So a rich person won't automatically suffer under inflation, and a poor person won't automatically gain.
More precisely, inflation is a tax on net creditors and those wage-earners and benefits claimants that are in a weaker political position than they were when their wages and benefits were originally instituted (due to the high downward rigidity of nominal wages and benefits). It is a subsidy to net debtors and employers who are in a stronger bargaining position than they used to be. That makes it a net loss for the financial sector, lazy money and weakly organised labour, and a net gain for the industrial sector and homeowners.
Devaluation or depreciation is a tax on imports and a subsidy for exports. Overall that translates to a net benefit for people associated with primary or manufacturing industries and a net loss for people associated with the financial or service sectors.
Contractionary interest rate policy is a tax on the future and a subsidy to the present. Homeowners and the industrial sector lose, because they are capital intensive; lazy money and the financial sector win because they are capital-extensive.
Contractionary fiscal policies are a tax on labour and the industrial sector, both of which are sensitive to the state of demand.
Further, economic activity is impaired by double-digit inflation rates, appreciation of the currency, contractionary interest rate policy and contractionary fiscal policy, and boosted by depreciation of the currency and expansionary interest rate and fiscal policy (note that there is no documented gain from further lowering inflation once you've eliminated the disruption caused by impairment of the ability of the currency to function as money).
As you will see, there is no perfect overlap between any of these groups and "the wealthy" or "the poor." But it is often possible to construct combinations that will favour the groups you want to favour. A combination of expansionary fiscal policy and moderate inflation favours labour and the industrial sector while it penalises the financial sector, lazy money and benefit claimants that lack adequate political power to defend the real value of their claims. Conversely, a combination of a strong currency, low inflation and contractionary interest rates favours lazy money and the financial sector, at the expense of homeowners, the industrial sector and overall economic performance (incidentally, I think that is as good an explanation as any for why this policy combination is so popular with The Serious People).
[proof needed] - and in Europe.
There is nothing sufficiently unique about Europe to exempts us from simple accounting relations. Cycle-averaged balanced budgets in a nominally growing economy impose an upwards unemployment bias by withdrawing fiat-money purchasing power from the economy, relative to the demand for fiat-money purchasing power.
Was French unemployment worse in 93-08 than it was in 78-93? Growth? General state of the economy?
Both of those periods are dominated by intra-European fixed-rate ForEx regimes (the ERM between '79 and '93, the EMU between '98 and '08), so you can hardly use a comparison between the two to test a hypothesis on the influence of floating versus fixed exchange rates.
I am not contesting that repeated devaluations in a fixed exchange rate system is a poor policy. This is, I believe, a theoretically well founded and clearly empirically validated conclusion. My contentions are that
Simple inspection suggests that the 1993 devaluation was much less painful than the 2008 austerity, but in order to make a compelling case one would have to compare the magnitude of the required exchange rate adjustments to achieve real exchange rate parity with the one's choice of indicators of economic performance. I don't have 1993 price level, unemployment and exchange rate data on hand for these countries, but if you're really interested I can probably get them and run the numbers.
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