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Struggling with a great contraction - FT.com

What has the market turmoil of August been telling us? The answer, I suggest, is three big things: first, the debt-encumbered economies of the high-income countries remain extremely fragile; second, investors have next to no confidence in the ability of policymakers to resolve the difficulties; and, third, in a time of high anxiety, investors prefer what are seen as the least risky assets, namely, the bonds of the most highly rated governments, regardless of their defects, together with gold. Those who fear deflation buy bonds; those who fear inflation buy gold; those who cannot decide buy both. But few investors or corporate managers wish to take on any longer-term investment risks.

Welcome, then, to what Carmen Reinhart, senior fellow at the Peterson Institute for International Economics in Washington, and Harvard's Kenneth Rogoff call "the second great contraction" (the Great Depression of the 1930s being the first). Those less apocalyptic might call it the "Japanese disease".

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Now consider, against this background of continuing fragility, how people view the political scene. In neither the US nor the eurozone, does the politician supposedly in charge - Barack Obama, the US president, and Angela Merkel, Germany's chancellor - appear to be much more than a bystander of unfolding events, as my colleague, Philip Stephens, recently noted. Both are - and, to a degree, operate as - outsiders. Mr Obama wishes to be president of a country that does not exist. In his fantasy US, politicians bury differences in bipartisan harmony. In fact, he faces an opposition that would prefer their country to fail than their president to succeed. Ms Merkel, similarly, seeks a non-existent middle way between the German desire for its partners to abide by its disciplines and their inability to do any such thing. The realisation that neither the US nor the eurozone can create conditions for a speedy restoration of growth - indeed the paralysing disagreements over what those conditions might be - is scary.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Aug 31st, 2011 at 03:29:44 PM EST
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afew:
. The realisation that neither the US nor the eurozone can create conditions for a speedy restoration of growth - indeed the paralysing disagreements over what those conditions might be - is scary.

yes it is scary and the sooner we face it the better, because the only thing scarier is the amount of denial right now.

speedy recovery of growth, haha. what's he smoking? where's the money to buy stuff coming from? banks don't want to lend.

fail... talk to us about hard/soft landings, then i'll believe you have something real to say. no rabbit in that hat... every second trying to whip a dead horse could be better spent breeding a new one that didn't need expensive imported feed coming from nations who envy our freedom to sell them deathware, prop up their lonny toon dick-taters and/or bomb them to democratic smithereens.

mercy!


The power of knowledge is in mortal combat with the knowledge of power. It really is that simple... That's the Edenic apple we are all munching on.

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Aug 31st, 2011 at 09:19:16 PM EST
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It would be more hopeful were that realization also sobering, but there is little evidence of that. Another cup of austerity? My rich great uncle says it is good for you.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Thu Sep 1st, 2011 at 09:52:41 AM EST
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austerity, the ale of despair, quaff away... don the hairshirt of humility.

it's all our fault we took the cheap credit, make us pay! we promise not to be so credulous again. oh wait. they don't want to lend anyway...

lucky us. crumbs will be dropped from the parapets to those fortunate and patient enough to deserve bootstraps.

The power of knowledge is in mortal combat with the knowledge of power. It really is that simple... That's the Edenic apple we are all munching on.

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Thu Sep 1st, 2011 at 01:31:54 PM EST
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First the Great Recession, then the Great Contraction.

What will it take for the Serious People to break down and admit that, yes, this is a Great Depression?

Economics is politics by other means

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Sep 1st, 2011 at 02:02:18 AM EST
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That would be Martin Wolf writing in the FT...

Wikipedia: The Great Contraction

is Milton Friedman's term for the recession which led to the Great Depression.

Friedman labelled it thus because he believed that the depression lasted so long due to the Federal Reserve's mismanagement. He argued that the Reserve contracted the monetary supply dramatically, prolonging the Depression, which Friedman claims could have been over by 1931.



Economics is politics by other means
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Sep 1st, 2011 at 02:05:15 AM EST
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Martin Wolf:
Many ask whether high-income countries are at risk of a "double dip" recession. My answer is: no, because the first one did not end.


Economics is politics by other means
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Sep 1st, 2011 at 02:06:56 AM EST
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Martin Wolf always has interesting charts in his columns:
Compare 1915-1930 and 1970-2010 with 1940-1970 (which Reinhart and Rogoff call the period of financial repression).

Economics is politics by other means
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Sep 1st, 2011 at 02:17:40 AM EST
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What does price-earnings ratio refer to exactly there? Stocks?
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Sep 1st, 2011 at 03:56:01 AM EST
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Yes.
Meanwhile, stock markets have taken a battering. Yet it is hard to argue that they have reached a point of capitulation. According to Yale's Robert Shiller, the cyclically adjusted price-earnings ratio for the US (based on the S&P 500) is almost a quarter above its long-term average. In 1982, the valuation was a third of current levels. Will markets avoid such a collapse? That must depend on when and how the great contraction ends.


Economics is politics by other means
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Sep 1st, 2011 at 04:10:48 AM EST
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