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sounds to me, like Obama the campaigner is back.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 26th, 2012 at 01:37:55 AM EST
is amusing.
</sardonic>

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Thu Jan 26th, 2012 at 04:31:24 AM EST
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Yes, and i'm getting a fair amount of feedback from my USian friends. It's as if his record since 2009 doesn't exist, and the fieriness of his soul brother speechifying has them all in a trance.

In energy policy, he's making it sound as if going backwards is a positive step, using campaign rhetoric to entrance.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Thu Jan 26th, 2012 at 05:43:08 AM EST
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Amazing isn't it? I often read the rationalization that after his reelction he will become the true progressive he is, because he will not have to cater to voters and donors anymore. Funny, nobody ever seems to wonder that once he will not have to cater to voters anymore, he might move even more to the right - that is what I fear.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 26th, 2012 at 07:59:18 AM EST
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Hope springs eternal...

A vote for PES is a vote for EPP! A vote for EPP is a vote for PES! Support the coalition, vote EPP-PES in 2009!
by A swedish kind of death on Thu Jan 26th, 2012 at 08:37:17 AM EST
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In 2008, a Presidential candidate ran on a drill baby drill platform, and another candidate ran on a drill baby drill slogan, and the drill baby drill platform candidate won. And so it should be no surprise that this three years have seen a drill baby drill administration.


I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.
by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Thu Jan 26th, 2012 at 11:27:08 PM EST
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There is no contradiction between the SOTU address and the record since 2009. Obama is the most consistent politician I have ever seen.
by rootless2 on Fri Jan 27th, 2012 at 09:46:59 AM EST
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On energy politics, his consistency is in not making the right choice. The time for middle of the road compromise is long past, as I see it. He could have let the opposition block everything, but he doesn't understand the cost to amurka's future.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Fri Jan 27th, 2012 at 10:22:38 AM EST
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On Energy Policy, he is not making any choice at all, which under the current legislature amounts to making the Republican choices. That is why that was the biggest Republican applause line of the evening: they know that "all of the above" means, "R's and Hedge Fund D's get what they want and Democratic wing D's get to complain about not getting what they want."

And since he said he wants green energy in the "all of the above" strategy, the portion of Democratic D's trying to fight the current drill baby drill platform (a minority of a minority) would find themselves standing on a foundation of sand.

Pushing the first hope for a serious energy policy back to 2015, under what I'd guess to be an unlikely series of unfortunate events, or else 2017.

Its great politics, since independents want "green energy jobs" so its a great wedge issue between R-affiliate voters and R-leaning voters, and the drill baby drill part does not give Republicans substantial purchase for their counter messaging, but its horrific policy.


I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Fri Jan 27th, 2012 at 10:34:39 AM EST
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So the battery industry creation was a GOP policy? The big investment in green energy from DOD was inertia? The mercury standards for coal were an accident?

It's one thing to make the argument that a lot more needs to be done - but then one might have to consider the power structure and how change could be accomplished.

by rootless2 on Fri Jan 27th, 2012 at 11:25:23 AM EST
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I'm making the argument that we're long past the border when a lot more needs to be done. Now is the time for an unfathomable amount to be done, and he has the support of the majority of the US to do it.

No one is claiming he hasn't also made some small but necessary steps. I don't know if the mercury standards have any teeth or not, perhaps it will make some difference, i don't know.

But he hasn't stopped coal leases, he hasn't stopped mountain top removal, and the EPA still has not teeth.

And of course windpower was a recipient of the renewable portion of the stimulus, which helped the industry from completely stopping after 2009, when it only dropped 50% in new capacity, from 10 gigs to 5+ gigs. That windpower in the US returned to 9 gigs this year is only because the industry cut margins to zero or minus. That means not just Vestas, but GE and Siemens as well as the second tier companies.

You may well wish to find strength in that Obama has done some things, which he has. But that's in the context you might not be seeing the intensity of the problem.

And that windpower in the US was finally reestablished under Bush, first in Texas and then in the nation. Bush may be an unpunished war criminal (i won't get into Obama's decision not to resurrect the rule of law), but no renewable policies were effected by Obama any stronger than occurred under the oil president.

and the Gulf disaster changed things how?

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Fri Jan 27th, 2012 at 11:44:47 AM EST
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"and he has the support of the majority of the US to do it."

What do you base that on? Do you think people are clamoring to stop coal leases? And not only that, clamoring enough to overcome support from coal state interest? Even supposed "progressive" allies of Obama will step on him on that issue- for example Sherrod Brown of Ohio tried to pull authority to regulate coal dust from the EPA. My progressive friends keep describing an American popular revolt to me that I have not seen evident at all.

The public is generally in favor of environmental measures but dubious on specifics and nowhere near a state to overcome entrenched interests.

Of course the mercury standards have teeth
http://www.edf.org/news/setting-record-straight-mercury-and-air-toxics-standards

and see

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/pew-study-department-of-defense-accelerates-clean-energy-inn ovation-to-save-lives-money-130278133.html

etc.

Definitely not enough, but the line of argument that "Obama sux" does not appear to me to be a productive one.

by rootless2 on Fri Jan 27th, 2012 at 11:55:42 AM EST
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And just for the record, Obama ran on the platform of expanding "clean coal". I very much doubt he could have been elected on a platform of shutting down coal, let alone coal and oil.
by rootless2 on Fri Jan 27th, 2012 at 12:02:35 PM EST
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and that's a positive?  to run on a platform of pushing a technology which barely exists?

says more about the current state of the neanderthal US.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Fri Jan 27th, 2012 at 03:31:41 PM EST
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but it indicates that people who expected a radical energy policy from Obama were not basing that expectation on what he claimed to want to do or on what the voters wanted.
by rootless2 on Fri Jan 27th, 2012 at 08:05:46 PM EST
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Surveys, from the late 80's until today, have always shown strong support for renewables in amurka. Including "paying" extra.

So please don't tell me Obama shouldn't have fought for what the people want. He's like Goldman Sachs, strong on renewables and 4x as strong on conventional poison.

Try getting out of the closed circle of politics, and make judgements on what your grandchildren are going to judge.

Had he provided enough vision, he would have held the lower house in 2010. Had he said strongly that global warming was real, the game would have been changed.

We are in a time when calculating politics has nothing to do with the actual situation civilization finds itself. All actions which affect other people must be judged within that context, NOT with what compromise might be acceptable.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Sat Jan 28th, 2012 at 12:28:18 PM EST
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"How do you feel about increased drilling for oil and natural gas offshore in U.S. waters? Do you strongly favor, mildly favor, mildly oppose or strongly oppose increased offshore drilling?"

strong favor mild favor mild no strong no

    45     24     15     16     -

"Which is more important to you as you think about increasing drilling for oil and gas in coastal areas around the United States? The need for the U.S. to provide its own sources of energy. The need to protect the environment." Options rotated

  provide own  protect env         

    52     45    

And, obviously, general national impressions do not always translate into public pressure.  

In other words, its easy for you to say that all Obama had to to was understand the urgency of the problem and order Congress to pass laws that their financial sponsors don't like - including what's left of the union movement - but just saying it doesn't make it true.

The environmentalists, like myself, have not succeeded in creating a powerful public demand. The results follow.

by rootless2 on Sat Jan 28th, 2012 at 12:43:46 PM EST
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When the question is phrased only about wanting more renewables, the polls have given 70-80%. (No sources, i've read enough.)

Leaders create demand.

Don't get me wrong, i voted for him, or would have, had the voters abroad website not been a nightmare. And I would vote for him again, unless there was a Green candidate with a modicum of sense.

And also understand, i know the game. I've testified in congress, and been invited twice to the white house privately. i played a role in getting the DoD take renewables seriously, because my best friend growing up became the lawyer for the Senate armed whatever concummittee.

I'm not saying he's done badly, especially considering the circumstances. I'm saying he hasn't done what needs to be done.

What i asked of you was to stop a moment, get out of the politics, and think about what actually needs to be done.

He had the chance to rise above the politics, and didn't.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Sat Jan 28th, 2012 at 01:40:12 PM EST
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I'm pretty pessimistic about what can be done, but I'm more pessimistic about what a President can do - especially when faced with Congress that has gone from uncooperative to antagonistic. Jimmy Carter's energy initiatives were reduced to rubble by a Democratic Congress and Fox news/hate-radio didn't exist in those day. And I have a great deal of respect for the ability of entrenched powers, like oil, to defend their privileged status.
by rootless2 on Sat Jan 28th, 2012 at 03:07:13 PM EST
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Clean energy is a wedge issue that favors Democrats | Grist

During Obama's State of the Union speech, Democracy Corps ran a dial-test focus group. Fifty swing voters were given devices that let them register approval or disapproval continuously throughout the speech. Two results in particular are worth highlighting.

Overall, there was a striking degree of unanimity, quite in contrast to the polarization in Washington. Reactions to the speech split along party lines on only a few issues. The most interesting split came during the section of the speech on energy:

This section received the highest sustained ratings of the speech from Democrats and independents, but it was also one of the few polarizing sections as Republicans reacted negatively to the President's call for more support of clean energy (independents, like Democrats, responded very favorably). Overall, Obama gained 22 points on the issue, one of his biggest gains on the evening, as these voters endorsed his appeal to end subsidies for oil companies and instead focus those resources on expanding clean energy in America. [my emphasis]

It seems the Republican attempt to drag clean energy into the culture war has reached only the conservative base. Independents outside the Fox-Limbaugh loop still favor it.

In other words, this is a powerful wedge issue that favors Democrats.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Jan 28th, 2012 at 02:23:41 PM EST
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... under a Democratic House of Representatives: it would not pass today's House. Much of the original authorization of the investment in green energy by the DOD took place at the same time.

The mercury standards are a regulatory action, and entirely compatible with drill baby drill.

Its considering the power structure and how change could be accomplished that reveals that the "all of the above" strategy sounds far more impressive than it is in the reality of today's Congress.

I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Fri Jan 27th, 2012 at 01:06:48 PM EST
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My USAian family, at least, are still stayin' "yeah, we heard you the first time. SHOW me."

'tis strange I should be old and neither wise nor valiant. From "The Maid's Tragedy" by Beaumont & Fletcher
by Wife of Bath (kareninaustin at g mail dot com) on Sun Jan 29th, 2012 at 01:47:20 PM EST
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That attitude really pisses me off. It's kind of saying, fuck the poor women who get health insurance paying for birth control and mammograms, fuck the tomato pickers who are the poorest workers and are getting a raise, fuck all the people who got beat up or shot by cops and are now being championed by the civil rights lawyers in the DOJ, fuck the soldiers who got out of Iraq, fuck the people who live down wind from coal plants, fuck the students who are being protected from Sallie Mae, etc. etc. - we didn't get our magic pony.

It's the attitude that made America's New Left the best friend the far right ever had.

by rootless2 on Sun Jan 29th, 2012 at 02:05:59 PM EST
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New left?

Still punching hippies, after all these years?

What's next, Alinsky?

by IM on Sun Jan 29th, 2012 at 02:16:35 PM EST
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Alinsky had no patience for the New Left and would have had no patience for the magic pony progressives.

America isn't Russia in 1917 or China in 1946, and any violent head-on collision with the power structure will only ensure the mass suicide of the left and the probable triumph of domestic fascism. So you're not going to get instant nirvana -- or any nirvana, for that matter -- and you've got to ask yourself, "Short of that, what the hell can I do?" The only answer is to build up local power bases that can merge into a national power movement that will ultimately realize your goals. That takes time and hard work and all the tedium connected with hard work, which turns off a lot of today's rhetorical radicals

Saul Alinsky.

by rootless2 on Sun Jan 29th, 2012 at 03:58:24 PM EST
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So at least you have a correct view of Alinsky.

Generally speaking I don't think it is productive to transfer your old flame-wars to this blog.

And since you seem to reasonably informed that the New Left was, you should admit that your sparring partners in these flame war, the "magic ponic progressives" have nothing to do with the New Left of yesteryear.

by IM on Mon Jan 30th, 2012 at 04:20:47 PM EST
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I'm responding to a comment in this blog. Is that not permitted, or should I clear my comments with you first?

And I disagree entirely. The underlying class structure and ideological approach of the "New Left" and the "magic pony progressives" is very similar.  

http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/4251/you_say_you_want_a_revolution/

by rootless2 on Tue Jan 31st, 2012 at 01:54:03 PM EST
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Don't play the victim. Have you learned that from the american right-wing, that everybody arguing with you is oppressing you?

And that is simply nonsense. "Obots" and "firebaggers" have exactly the same academic middle-class class-structure. And ideologically we are talking about a squabbling among two reformist center-left factions.

 

by IM on Fri Feb 3rd, 2012 at 06:26:41 PM EST
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I'm most certainly not playing victim, I'm just mocking your officiousness.
by rootless2 on Fri Feb 3rd, 2012 at 06:27:55 PM EST
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officiousness? Nonsense. I just remember your heroic flame-wars on this or that american blog.
by IM on Fri Feb 3rd, 2012 at 06:38:21 PM EST
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it's so gratifying to be remembered.
by rootless2 on Fri Feb 3rd, 2012 at 07:06:16 PM EST
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Yes, your charming ways made quite the impression.
by IM on Fri Feb 3rd, 2012 at 08:03:03 PM EST
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no need to be officious about it, though.
by rootless2 on Fri Feb 3rd, 2012 at 08:07:29 PM EST
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I get that you are pissed off. But I don't really get why.

If I understand you correct, you see Obama as an effective and consistent politician within the tight restrains created by the current state of the political system. But as an effective politician, did he not run a very effective campaign back in 2008 that primarily convinced people to vote for him not through policy items but through a vague but inspiring message of Hope and Change? Did this not enthusiase people as they projected their own hopes for change on his campaign?

And within the tight restrains of the current system, he naturally must make a lot of those who projected disappointed because he will not be their saviour. So is not they expressing that disappointment the natural consequence of choices taken by this effective politician in both campaign and in office?

A vote for PES is a vote for EPP! A vote for EPP is a vote for PES! Support the coalition, vote EPP-PES in 2009!

by A swedish kind of death on Mon Jan 30th, 2012 at 04:12:05 PM EST
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I don't think he ever sold himself as a savior and don't think anyone had the right to imagine he would be a savior in any case. But that's not what annoys me. What annoys me is (a)  the consistent derision of real accomplishment by people who are privileged enough not to have needed that accomplishment and (b) the advocacy of a kind of light weight cynicism as an evasion of political responsibility. For the first, solipsitic well off American "leftists" may not care that tomato pickers are getting  a few pennies more a pound for their work, but that's a poor reflection on their moral compass. Same goes for many other Obama administration accomplishments - which may not add up to a magic wonderland demanded by those who wanted to believe in the savior but actually help real human beings.  In particular, I have no respect for the "civil libertarians" who do not seem to care that for the first time in a very long time, the US government is acting to protect people who have been the victims of police and jail brutality.

For the second, deriding accomplishments of an incremental process is morally acceptable, at least to me, only from those who have some alternative to propose. The argument that it's all a fake and hopeless is an argument for the success of the far right.

by rootless2 on Tue Jan 31st, 2012 at 02:07:56 PM EST
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U.S. to open up remaining Gulf oil leases.

I can swear there ain't no heaven but I pray there ain't no hell. _ Blood Sweat & Tears
by Gringo (stargazing camel at aoldotcom) on Thu Jan 26th, 2012 at 10:06:06 PM EST
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