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No chance to make diaries or even comments, but what's happening with Monsanto (getting sued in India and a host of other shit) and Dow (introducing another generation of 2,4D resistant corn, approved by FDA) tells me that we're really far beyond a global warming problem.

Healthy topsoil, clean water, humans eating right... not happening. I have the impression there are a whole series of very serious problems which this civilization is not prepared to resolve. because such solutions would undermine what this society is built on?

What i might be trying to say is that our whole range of interconnected environmental problems are really serious. Clicking "Like" is not the answer.

That, and my friends' response to Obama makes me depressed.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Thu Jan 26th, 2012 at 12:30:17 PM EST
"In the Early Modern period (1340-1500,) Europe experienced the worst human disaster in its history when the Black Death (also known as the bubonic plague) hit in 1347, destroying a third of the population."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bubonic_plague#Black_Death

It's happened before, and can happen again. And it can happen worse.

by asdf on Thu Jan 26th, 2012 at 12:34:20 PM EST
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oh yea and some. I think we're gonna be lucky to make 100 million in 2200

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jan 26th, 2012 at 12:40:36 PM EST
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That's a 98-99% dieoff...

tens of millions of people stand to see their lives ruined because the bureaucrats at the ECB don't understand introductory economics -- Dean Baker
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 26th, 2012 at 12:48:41 PM EST
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yea, thereabouts

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jan 26th, 2012 at 01:05:46 PM EST
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Simplification of a Complex System usually entails a population crash.  I doubt the global human population will drop below one billion but these kinds of things are impossible to predict.
by ATinNM on Thu Jan 26th, 2012 at 04:05:32 PM EST
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We keep returning to the same topics every few months...

tens of millions of people stand to see their lives ruined because the bureaucrats at the ECB don't understand introductory economics -- Dean Baker
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 26th, 2012 at 04:13:45 PM EST
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Repetition is the sina-qua-non soul of saying stuff all over Yet Again.

Repeatedly.

by ATinNM on Thu Jan 26th, 2012 at 04:18:02 PM EST
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Because we do not have a big enough population to think up anything new to talk about....
by asdf on Thu Jan 26th, 2012 at 05:10:43 PM EST
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Hmm. Actually, my main prediction for the future that I am really very confident about is that average global nutrition will be much better. - This is because several of the most economic climate change mitigation strategies involve increasing planetary biomass and agri/aqua cultural yields as a way of getting carbon sequestration to pay its own way. Biochar, ocean iron fertilization, and the ever increasing spread of highyield/low soil degredation (I dont mean organic farming, per se, but highly computerized and automated "conventional" farming that doses fertilizer and pesticides accurately enough that neither ends up in runoff or groundwater)  agricultural and biotechnological advances likely mean that the one thing the future is not going to be short of under any circumstances is calories or protein. The protein will probably be more shrimp and mussles (because when you are creating artificial foodchains in the highsea areas that are currently micronutrient restricted, extracting the calories at the lowest possible foodchain step makes the most economic sense) than pork and beef, but both of those are key ingredients in some seriously tasty cusine.  
by Thomas on Fri Jan 27th, 2012 at 04:12:00 PM EST
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Have you ever studied or researched what goes on in a fish farm?

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Fri Jan 27th, 2012 at 06:56:35 PM EST
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Yes, and that is not the kind of aquaculture I have in mind. Instead, you pick a large area in the high seas, and trigger a permanent algaebloom by seeding micronutrients (Iron, mostly), then either you have floating clambeds or a stock of shrimp to eat the algae. Fishfarming as done near shore involve feeding the fish directly - the idea here is to manage a (short) foodchain from photosynthesis to supermarket counter.
by Thomas on Sat Jan 28th, 2012 at 02:54:18 AM EST
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I really like your future. I just don't think we are headed there. We have had a conceptual grasp on our main problems since the seventies. They are solvable. Yet we didn't do so then and we don't now.

Wait this is important. Someone is wrong on the Internet.
by generic on Sat Jan 28th, 2012 at 07:51:11 AM EST
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This seems appropriate:

from the Onion, of course.

'tis strange I should be old and neither wise nor valiant. From "The Maid's Tragedy" by Beaumont & Fletcher

by Wife of Bath (kareninaustin at g mail dot com) on Thu Jan 26th, 2012 at 05:20:36 PM EST
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Sources confirmed that if a death solution is not in place by Mar. 31, the U.N., in the interest of preserving the human race, will mobilize its peacekeeping forces and gun down as many people as necessary.
Shhh... don't let the teabaggers see this, they may think it's for real!

tens of millions of people stand to see their lives ruined because the bureaucrats at the ECB don't understand introductory economics -- Dean Baker
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 26th, 2012 at 05:24:45 PM EST
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Just prior to the mid-14th century collapse, Europe was boomin relative to the previous centuries. It took 150 years for it to recover in terms of population. Culturally and politically, evolution was quick already in the 14th century.

tens of millions of people stand to see their lives ruined because the bureaucrats at the ECB don't understand introductory economics -- Dean Baker
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 26th, 2012 at 12:47:00 PM EST
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Healthy topsoil, clean water, humans eating right... not happening. I have the impression there are a whole series of very serious problems which this civilization is not prepared to resolve. because such solutions would undermine what this society is built on?

Haven't we known this since The Limits to Growth people were laughed out of the room in the 1970s?

tens of millions of people stand to see their lives ruined because the bureaucrats at the ECB don't understand introductory economics -- Dean Baker

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 26th, 2012 at 12:37:08 PM EST
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I don't see anything improving when people won't even use toilet paper made from recycled paper rather than the soft, cushy type to help save the planet.

Hell, people won't even go for a daily walk even if it means it improves their health.  They want a pill to fix everything for them.

People are basically not logical, so we, intelligent people (excuse the self-flattery) must find better ways to influence them.

by stevesim on Thu Jan 26th, 2012 at 01:08:23 PM EST
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But Monsanto has huffed and puffed and given up on France. That is positive.

A vote for PES is a vote for EPP! A vote for EPP is a vote for PES! Support the coalition, vote EPP-PES in 2009!
by A swedish kind of death on Thu Jan 26th, 2012 at 01:59:52 PM EST
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very rarely does something so powerful break through my depression. visually stunning at the same time. i'll let this 5 minute teaser for the film speak for itself. wow.

recommend going to the site and watching in HD.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Thu Jan 26th, 2012 at 05:04:13 PM EST
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