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by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Feb 22nd, 2012 at 11:34:54 AM EST
Anti-piracy deal referred to European court: theparliament.com
The EU has confirmed that Europe's highest court will rule on the legality of the controversial anti-counterfeiting trade agreement (Acta).

European trade commissioner Karel De Gucht said on Tuesday that the European court of justice would be asked to assess whether Acta "is incompatible - in any way - with the EU's fundamental rights and freedoms".

This will include freedom of expression, data protection and the right to property in case of intellectual property, he said.

Supporters argue that the agreement will help tackle piracy and illegal file sharing online, but there have been public demonstrations across Europe amid concerns over freedom of information on the internet.

Parliament's rapporteur on Acta, British MEP David Martin, welcomed the decision, describing it as an admission by De Gucht that "there are still many question marks about Acta and what the implementation of the agreement, as it stands, would mean for citizens and for the freedom of the internet".
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Feb 22nd, 2012 at 02:07:14 PM EST
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This could get interesting. I can't imagine that the ECJ can rule without demanding to see the negotiation protocols, which the EU (and all other parties) have refused to release to date.

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Thu Feb 23rd, 2012 at 03:54:17 AM EST
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Companies 'not helping themselves' in combating counterfeiting: theparliament.com
A conference in Brussels was told that many companies 'don't help themselves' when it comes to combating piracy and counterfeiting.

The two-day conference, organised by the European commission, heard that 'financial incentives' could be offered to enterprises to help them deal with the growing problem of fake goods.

A scheme, piloted in Italy, was cited as an example of 'best practice' in tackling counterfeiting and also raising public awareness of the problem.

The initiative cited at the conference on Tuesday has been piloted by the Italian intellectual property office.

Gianluca Scarponi, representing the organisation, said, "What happens is that we make them an offer they can't refuse use the capital generated from applications for patents and designs and, basically, give it back to enterprises."

We apologize... normal service resumed asap etc...

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Feb 22nd, 2012 at 02:11:12 PM EST
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we use the capital generated from applications for patents and designs and, basically, give it back to enterprises.

Translation: "We take the revinue from everyone's application fees and give it to a few favored corporations."

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Thu Feb 23rd, 2012 at 10:30:34 AM EST
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Obama praises Merkel's euro crisis leadership - The Local

Despite plenty of transatlantic tensions over the eurozone debt crisis, US President Barack Obama phoned German Chancellor Angela Merkel to congratulate her on concluding a new Greek bailout deal.

The White House said late Tuesday that "the president thanked the chancellor for her leadership and welcomed last night's agreement in Europe on a new rescue programme for Greece to help reduce its debt to sustainable levels."

"The president and chancellor agreed that the planned EU fiscal pact, recent actions by the European Central Bank and reforms by Spain and Italy have also been positive steps in addressing the eurozone crisis," White House spokesman Jay Carney added.

But back home the reaction to the new €130 billion Greek bailout deal, agreed by the eurozone's finance ministers Tuesday morning, has been less friendly.

Prominent Merkel-ally Wolfgang Bosbach, deputy parliamentary leader in the chancellor's Christian Democratic Union, has already announced that he would not vote for the new package.

"We're marching with great strides towards a union of liability, and we're burdening future generations with risks that I find unjustifiable," he told the Passauer Neue Presse.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Feb 22nd, 2012 at 02:23:34 PM EST
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Expel Greece - a cure worse than the disease | Presseurop (English)

The truth is no one really believes in this illusory firewall which sacrifices intellect on the altar of imagination. If they did, the European Union would not have decided to grant yet another colossal loan to Greece on 21 February, and there would be no talk of a new federal EU architecture, with nation states handing over more sovereignty to a European government. Progress has been slow, no one has tackled the crux of the problem (the issue of the EU resources required to conduct an effective investment programme).

At times you could be forgiven for thinking that the governments of "major" countries are waiting for Greece to go bankrupt before building the Union they want to construct. This is the thesis advanced by economist Kenneth Rogoff, in an interview with Spiegel: once Athens has been expelled from the union, the impetus of the crisis can be used to accelerate the construction of a United States of Europe. But can a new union be built on the ashes of Greece? And what kind of union would we have had without the pressure of the Greek crisis?

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Feb 22nd, 2012 at 02:29:36 PM EST
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A union of countries who all have a positive trade balance with each other.....somehow

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Feb 23rd, 2012 at 03:19:41 AM EST
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In a union without trade balances, because it is, umm, a union. Is Glasgow compatible enough to your place or have they got a trade balance deficit? Silly question in an area with the same currency and in, er, a union, isn't it?
by Katrin on Thu Feb 23rd, 2012 at 06:05:57 AM EST
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An area with "no fiscal transfers" is an area with trade balances.

tens of millions of people stand to see their lives ruined because the bureaucrats at the ECB don't understand introductory economics -- Dean Baker
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Feb 23rd, 2012 at 06:16:58 AM EST
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Yes. And it doesn't work. So what does that tell us?

Sigh.

by Katrin on Thu Feb 23rd, 2012 at 06:19:58 AM EST
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Maybe it tells us that we need to turn the Eurozone Periphery into a pile of rubble comparable to West Germany ca. 1948, in order to recreate the conditions for the Wirtschaftwunder. Then it will be right and proper for Germany to engage in fiscal transfers like the Marshall Plan.

Oh, and engaging Germany in a war like the US war in Korea in 1950 wouldn't be a bad thing either, since the war drive would increase German demand for periphery products.

tens of millions of people stand to see their lives ruined because the bureaucrats at the ECB don't understand introductory economics -- Dean Baker

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Feb 23rd, 2012 at 06:26:55 AM EST
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That could work, if you find enough militarists in Germany.

The other way is the transfer union. I don't believe in a third option. Even Swabian housewives get sooner or later that breaking up Europe would be even nastier. It will be too late and too little and I have no doubts as to who exactly will have to pay for it, but it will come, because it must.

by Katrin on Thu Feb 23rd, 2012 at 07:38:40 AM EST
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You can break the Euro without breaking the EU.

All that requires is admitting that the Euro was a bad idea from the get-go.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Thu Feb 23rd, 2012 at 08:04:39 AM EST
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The Euro as executed was a bad idea.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Feb 23rd, 2012 at 08:05:55 AM EST
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The Euro as written was a bad idea.

So bad, in fact, that you can pretty much use it as a rule for how to set up currency unions: Do everything the opposite: Put the limits on state surpluses instead of deficits, put the limits on current account rather than sovereign balances, have parliament control the central bank instead of the other way around. And so on and so forth and etcetera.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Thu Feb 23rd, 2012 at 08:14:27 AM EST
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In an ideal world there would be enough good will to break the euro in an orderly way. I don't see any good will, so I assume that they will take the easier way, which is keep the euro. But I agree, the thing was a bad idea.
by Katrin on Thu Feb 23rd, 2012 at 10:16:12 AM EST
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How can you break the Euro in an orderly way with all those Target2 balances building up?

tens of millions of people stand to see their lives ruined because the bureaucrats at the ECB don't understand introductory economics -- Dean Baker
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Feb 23rd, 2012 at 11:25:24 AM EST
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Some sort of haircut probably. With a lawn mower. Irrelevant, though: I don't believe that's the way we are going.
by Katrin on Thu Feb 23rd, 2012 at 11:36:13 AM EST
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By going Full Argentina and telling the ECBuBaIMF to fuck off and die.

Oh, you meant "orderly" as in "in ways that will not cause systemic insolvencies?"

Three years and a lot of euros late for that.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Thu Feb 23rd, 2012 at 11:48:26 AM EST
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I mean "orderly" as in not breaking the EU.
by Katrin on Thu Feb 23rd, 2012 at 11:51:13 AM EST
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Then I fail to see any problem with the Argentina Alternative.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Thu Feb 23rd, 2012 at 03:47:34 PM EST
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  1. too many hard feelings.
  2. It would lead to two currency blocks, and in between would be France. No good.
I really don't think we need more centrifugal force in the EU.
by Katrin on Thu Feb 23rd, 2012 at 04:21:34 PM EST
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It would lead to two currency blocks, and in between would be France.

Unless Germany - and by Germany I mean the BundesBank - decides to unconditionally support French membership of the common currency with the full power of the ECB's printing press, France will drop out of the Euro no more than five years after Greece does.

Given the crop of nutcases currently staffing the BuBa, I would not place any expensive bets on that proposition.

I really don't think we need more centrifugal force in the EU.

I find it difficult to imagine that it would be a greater source of centrifugal force for Europe that Eurozone members strategically default and devaluate than it would be to continue to subject them to the whims of the insane asylum that passes for a central bank in the Eurozone.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Fri Feb 24th, 2012 at 09:16:05 AM EST
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Unless Germany - and by Germany I mean the BundesBank - decides to unconditionally support French membership of the common currency with the full power of the ECB's printing press, France will drop out of the Euro no more than five years after Greece does.

Well, The Bundesbank did exactly that in 1992/3. The buck stopped with France.

But it's not clear they would do it now. The only reason would be that Germany needs France as the useful idiot in the strong currency zone in order to have any chance of convincing the rest thet the strong currency zone is a necessary feature of the EU.

tens of millions of people stand to see their lives ruined because the bureaucrats at the ECB don't understand introductory economics -- Dean Baker

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Feb 24th, 2012 at 09:36:25 AM EST
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1. As opposed to the hard feelings already developed?

I mean, if Greece agreed to subject itself to two years of high-grade IMF treatment rather than default two years ago it was in order to avoid hard feelings. Also, apparently to take Barroso and Bini Smaghi's words at face value, in order to preserve democracy in Greece. See how well that's worked.

2. You mean the current policy path doesn't lead to two currency blocks (or a much diminished Euro bloc serially shedding members) with France a borderline case?

I believe you missed the evolution in real time of my Euro crisis scorecard. We had been predicting an endgame with a small core Euro and France on the boundary for a long time before France fell off the core last August.

tens of millions of people stand to see their lives ruined because the bureaucrats at the ECB don't understand introductory economics -- Dean Baker

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Feb 24th, 2012 at 09:33:24 AM EST
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If we assume that the current policy can be maintained, you are right. It's a policy that too few people benefit from, though (including in Germany). I don't believe it can be maintained for much longer.
by Katrin on Sat Feb 25th, 2012 at 05:32:26 AM EST
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The question is less whether it can be maintained - it obviously can't - and more how ugly its failure is going to be.

If it's pushed to the point where blood starts flowing in the streets of Athens, we'll be struggling to keep the Union alive, nevermind the Euro.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sat Feb 25th, 2012 at 05:37:04 AM EST
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I suspect when that happens the EU Council may just decide to strip Greece of its voting rights according to Article 7 and get on with their business...

tens of millions of people stand to see their lives ruined because the bureaucrats at the ECB don't understand introductory economics -- Dean Baker
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Feb 25th, 2012 at 05:39:20 AM EST
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It's not only Greece. It would be a coup that would quickly spread to more countries. Do you really see that this can be enforced? I don't.
by Katrin on Sat Feb 25th, 2012 at 06:09:33 AM EST
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the common currency was half of a good idea.

if the other half (fiscal union) had come first, or at least simultaneously, it would have had a chance to resist world market attacks, as is, it's a pacifist at a massacre.

it was rankly stupid 'blue sky' optimism to think that we could have one sans the other, and now it's a lead zeppelin, because it was symbolic union, not real, as it would have been if both parts had been legislated.

whether this was opportunism or a giant duh will maybe come clearer as wonks wonk out the details, mostly of the cui bono variety!

The power of knowledge is in mortal combat with the knowledge of power. It really is that simple... That's the Edenic apple we are all munching on.

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Thu Feb 23rd, 2012 at 10:28:02 AM EST
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Migeru:
An area with "no fiscal transfers" is an area with trade balances.

True, but this fails to distinguish between transfers by governmental organizations, (evil taxes), and transfers by private corporations, (virtuous profits). So housewives, especially of executives of companies with trade surpluses, and all who aspire to their wealth and status, find fiscal transfers repugnant - stealing from the virtuous wealthy to give to the feckless poor.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Thu Feb 23rd, 2012 at 10:43:21 AM EST
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`Trade war' fears as Moscow aviation meeting debates ETS | EurActiv

As a `coalition of the unwilling' meets in Moscow to debate retaliatory measures against the EU's inclusion of airlines in the Emissions Trading System (ETS), a senior Airbus executive has warned of a `trade war'.

"Certain countries are opposing ETS which could cause manufacturing industries problems in terms of future orders and you can see the potential for a trade war, specifically with the Chinese," said Paul Nash, head of environmental affairs for Airbus.

"We're obviously concerned because the big growth industries today are Asia and South America so it could certainly impact us," he told EurActiv.

But industry opinions are divided between short-haul companies that may charge customers as little as 30 cents a flight to compensate for carbon charges and long-haul carriers, which the EU says may pass on ticket price hikes of between €2 and €12, despite one US government-funded report predicting a potential €2 billion windfall from the ETS for airlines.

"We rather regret the turn this [Moscow meeting] is taking because there are moves within the International Civil Air Organisation to find alternative market-based mechanisms," said John Hanlon, the secretary-general of the European Low Fares Airline Association.

"My understanding is that the Commission would be prepared to amend their legislation providing these alternatives achieved the same carbon reductions," he added. "The noises offstage are unwelcome and obstructive to that process."

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Feb 22nd, 2012 at 02:32:00 PM EST
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Eurointelligence Daily Briefing: Germany is now opposed to merger of EFSF and ESM
Berlin says it does not want to discuss the merger  of EFSF funds and the ESM; Angela Merkel does not want any complications that might get in the way of the Bundestag's approval of the Greek programme; there is no likelihood now of a summit agreement on an EFSF/ESM merger, but Germany remains willing to talk abou this later in March;the Dutch have changed position, and now support the merger; Agustin Carstens calls for more rescue efforts, as a pre-condition for more IMF help;says a merger of EFSF and ESM would not be enough; CACs are approved by Greek parliamentary committee, and to be voted on by the full parliament later today; Antonis Samaris invites outsted MPs back in if they support reform programme; the Dutch finance minister expressed doubts about the Greek progamme; Clive Crook argues that the Greek deal will not stop the confidence crisis; Germany's tax revenues slow considerably in December; Werner Mussler says France will be the litmus test of the new EU budget rules; Wolfgang Proissl calls on Draghi and Weidman to repeat a Trichet-Weber type confrontation; Nomura explains the broken monetary transmission channel; a BIS study establishes a Reinhart-Rogoff type debt rule for the private sector; Wolfgang Munchau says it is ultimately not in Germany's interest to run excessive and persistent trade surpluses; Sebastian Dullien and Ulrike Guerot argue that the Germans are digging in over austerity, and the best way to coopt Germany is to advocate EU-level investment programmes, and a shift in taxation power to Brussels.


tens of millions of people stand to see their lives ruined because the bureaucrats at the ECB don't understand introductory economics -- Dean Baker
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Feb 23rd, 2012 at 03:29:25 AM EST
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Wolfgang Proissl calls on Draghi and Weidman to repeat a Trichet-Weber type confrontation

Huh?

Proissl calls on Weidmann and Draghi to avoid a remake of the Weber-Trichet-confrontation

Commenting in Financial Times Deutschland Wolfgang Proissl calls upon Jens Weidmann and Mario Draghi to work on avoiding another damaging confrontation as their predecessors Axel Weber and Jean-Claude Trichet had had. Proissl argues that the initially good relations between the presidents of the Bundesbank and the ECB risk turning sour because of a series of policy decisions the ECB has recently taken against the Weidmann's will. Among them are the second surprise interest rate cut in December, the extremely generous conditions of the 3yLTRO's, the imposition of a senior creditor status of the eurosystem for its Greek bonds and the attempts to earmark future profits from Greek bonds for governments so they can pass the money on to Greece. Weidmann has started to come out publicly against those decisions thus risking to put the Bundesbank back into the dissident role unable to form coalitions as was the case under Weber. Proissl calls on both central bankers to work out a mature relationship because working against each other damages the euro and the prospect for both to be successful on their respective jobs.  

Ah, okay.

tens of millions of people stand to see their lives ruined because the bureaucrats at the ECB don't understand introductory economics -- Dean Baker
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Feb 23rd, 2012 at 04:22:00 AM EST
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Well, that's simple enough: Weidman needs to sit down and STFU while the sane people are talking.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Thu Feb 23rd, 2012 at 05:31:18 AM EST
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Sane people get to talk?

... Who knew?

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Thu Feb 23rd, 2012 at 06:21:33 AM EST
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Point.

Saner, then.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Thu Feb 23rd, 2012 at 08:11:25 AM EST
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Typical centrist fallacy:

 >Proissl calls on both central bankers to work out a mature relationship because working against each other damages the euro and the prospect for both to be successful on their respective jobs.<

That ha nothing to do with a mature or immature relationship or any personal relationship, but with a genuine policy conflict.  

by IM on Thu Feb 23rd, 2012 at 10:15:25 AM EST
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So the BuBa is not just a branch office of the ECB, then? If there can be a "genuine policy conflict" it rather suggests that the relationship is more equal than that between superior and subordinate.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Thu Feb 23rd, 2012 at 11:51:44 AM EST
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Weidmann - member of the governing council and Draghi - another member of the council have a conflict on policy.

As you know there are some presidents of regional federal reserve banks who disagree with Bernake on policy being more "hawkish". That still doesn't change the status of these federal reserve banksa as mere branches of the fed.

by IM on Thu Feb 23rd, 2012 at 11:56:30 AM EST
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And fortunately, Bernanke understands both the nature of that relationship, and the fact that the inflation extremists are objectively wrong in their policy recommendations - their recommended policies will not achieve their stated objectives.

It remains to be seen whether Draghi will display similarly astute analysis and slap Weidman down for being a dangerous idiot. Though we may not get to see the answer for ourselves because, unlike the BuBa, Draghi seems to actually respect the confidentiality of ECB deliberations (that the BuBa demanded back when the ECB was formed).

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Thu Feb 23rd, 2012 at 03:56:39 PM EST
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But who is right or wrong is not the point here. A superior, a equal, a subordintae can all be wrong or right.

Dragi and Bernanke deal both with equals and Bernanke can't just order any dissident on the Federal Open Market Committee to change their votes: and he can't order them to shut up either: the hawks like to go to the press.

So the relationship is just the same: Bernanke and Draghi both must gain a majority on in one case the governing council, in the other case the open market committee.

So yes, the bundesbank is quite like the federal bank of philadelphia.  

by IM on Thu Feb 23rd, 2012 at 04:26:35 PM EST
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Except that the rules of the ECB do indeed say that the members of the governing council can't go to the press unilaterally. A rule that the BuBa demanded when they joined. And a rule that the BuBa is the most prolific and conspicuous violators of.

But apparently It's OK When You're The BundesBank.

At this point, I'm seriously supporting a blanket financial sector berufsverbot for anybody who's ever been employed at a position of trust with the Bundesbank. That institution is rotten to the core and needs to be purged.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Fri Feb 24th, 2012 at 09:07:30 AM EST
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the hawks like to go to the press.

That is rather the problem. As, as Jake points out, that is an open breach of collegiality which generally only Bundesbank officials engage in.

tens of millions of people stand to see their lives ruined because the bureaucrats at the ECB don't understand introductory economics -- Dean Baker

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Feb 24th, 2012 at 09:30:47 AM EST
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Look perhaps I misinterpret the situation in the US, but as far I understand it, hawks tend to be presidents of the fed of St. Louis or so. And of course they talk about their monetary policy preferences and predict inflation right around the corner. Yglesias complains every month or so about a regional fed president seeing imaginary inflation.

Generally speaking the Bundesbank was modeled after the federal structure of the fed and the ECB on the Bundesbank. Only more so.

by IM on Fri Feb 24th, 2012 at 10:52:23 AM EST
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The Fed doesn't have the collegiality agreement that the ECB has. You can bet your bottom dollar that if the French or Italian central banker were to come right out and call for unconditional defense of low sovereign bond rates, the BuBa would howl and whine about how he's prejudicing the independence of the ECB.

The BuBa is behaving like the New York Fed did prior to the New Deal. In case anybody is wondering, that's, eh, not high praise.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sat Feb 25th, 2012 at 03:57:02 AM EST
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... the correct term for Weidman and his kind isn't "inflation hawks." It's "inflation neurotics."

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sat Feb 25th, 2012 at 04:01:04 AM EST
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I just don't see why the BuBa's howling and whining should impress anyone, unless they WANT to be impressed. ("Dear fellow-citizens, we would NEVER, it's all the Germans' fault").
by Katrin on Sat Feb 25th, 2012 at 05:18:04 AM EST
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Because Germany is the country that gets to decide whether the Euro lives or dies. If Germany stops its protectionist wage-dumping and colonial attitude, the Euro lives. If it doesn't, the Euro dies. Or, if you want to put it in neolib newspeak terms, Germany is the most solvent member of the Eurozone.

That makes the BuBa wankery carry a certain weight among those who want the Euro to keep living, because they will need to appease the wankers in question if that is to happen.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sat Feb 25th, 2012 at 05:34:29 AM EST
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Wrong. You imply that Germany was isolated and pursuing a policy that all (or most) other countries object to. This is absolutely not the case. Jerome is right: if you all tell us to play fair or else be called nazis, Germany will play fair. C'mon, why don't you do it?  
by Katrin on Sat Feb 25th, 2012 at 06:01:23 AM EST
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The Fed doesn't have the collegiality agreement that the ECB has.

So you want to argue now that the heads of the regional feds do have the right to go the public on their opinion of monetary policies opinion but the heads of the euro system member banks don't? That the ECB is actually more centralized then the Fed?

by IM on Sat Feb 25th, 2012 at 08:46:56 AM EST
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That's the agreement the BuBa insisted on when they joined.

And that they're the most prolific violators of.

Does it make sense? No, arguably not. But the BuBa stopped making sense back in the mid-1920s when it swallowed the Austrian koolaid, so "it makes no fucking sense" is not in any way in contradiction of "the BuBa insisted on it."

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sat Feb 25th, 2012 at 08:59:39 AM EST
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Now that - off topic really -, but everybody was fine at the Reichsbank until Schacht did take over in 1923?

Now that is a new interpretation.

And while there does exist a rule about confidentiality of meetings, you seem to turn this rule into a gneral gag rule for central bank presidents. I don't think that is right.

by IM on Sat Feb 25th, 2012 at 10:23:47 AM EST
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To say that "everything was right" with the Reichsbank prior to Schacht is, what is that work, oh yes, a complete and utter straw man.

What I said was that the Bundesbank has been insane ever since Schacht. That does not imply any endorsement of its pre-Schacht behaviour above and beyond the endorsement generally implied by noting that someone does not need to be committed to a mental institution.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sat Feb 25th, 2012 at 01:13:48 PM EST
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Schacht could well have be insane, if narzissmen and opportunism can be driven to insane heights. What he wasn't, especially after 1933, was conventional liberal economist and certainly not a austrian.

I don't know if the method he used after 1933 - mefo bills .- was fiscal or monetary stimulus bit certainly wasn't the liberal orthodoxy of his day.

So he should - if we look only at central bank policy - a man of your tastes.

by IM on Sat Feb 25th, 2012 at 01:44:43 PM EST
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In ordinary economic terminology, mefo bills are monetary accommodation of fiscal policy.

They were also done by the Treasury, not the Reichsbank.

Schacht's economic policies are a mixed bag, but that's somewhat beside the point, as we were discussing the aetiology of the institutional insanity of the BuBa. And while the hardening of the Reichsbank's anti-inflationary dogma might have happened under Schacht, a single man does not make history.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sat Feb 25th, 2012 at 01:57:41 PM EST
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No, Reichsbank:

http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datei:Funktionsweise_der_Wechsel.png&filetimestamp=201 10509102445

The readiness of the Reichsbank to discount made the bills of exchange of the technically private mefo work.

So you want to trace the origin of the institutional ideology of the german central bank back to the end of the great inflation but treat anything between 1933-1948 as an aberration.

by IM on Sat Feb 25th, 2012 at 02:19:03 PM EST
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Schacht didn't invent the mefo bills. Woytinsky did, for his stimulus programme.

Woytinsky hatte in Die Arbeit (Heft 3, 1932) erläutert, in welcher Weise die nicht untergebrachten Anleihestücke "den Banken als Unterlage für eine Zwischenfinanzierung der Arbeitsbeschaffung dienen" sollten: "Von den mit den Arbeiten betrauten Unternehmern werden Wechsel auf die als Träger der Arbeiten in Betracht kommenden öffentlich-rechtlichen Körperschaften gezogen." Die Banken könnten diese Wechsel einlösen und ihrerseits "bei der Reichsbank diskontieren". In der Resolution vom 13. April 1932 fehlte jedoch der entscheidend wichtige Verweis auf die Diskontierbarkeit bei der Reichsbank. Es hieß nur: "Soweit die Anleihestücke noch nicht in vollem Umfange auf dem Kapitalmarkt untergebracht sind, sollen sie den Banken als Unterlage für eine Zwischenfinanzierung der Arbeitsbeschaffung dienen."[11]
Insbesondere Tarnow war entschieden gegen den Kompromiss mit der Anleihe gewesen. Und Woytinsky hatte immer wieder betont: "Krisenbekämpfung heißt aber Arbeitsbeschaffung. Und wer Arbeitsbeschaffung sagt, der hat von der Kreditschöpfung gesprochen."[12]

Note that the öffa bills and mefo bills are only necessary to circumvent the equivalent of a debt-brake and the like.

I would have tried to post a translation but I don't know how it works--the instructions telling me that it is easy with the Firefox extension doesn't make me much wiser. Can someone explain?

by Katrin on Sat Feb 25th, 2012 at 02:17:17 PM EST
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by Katrin on Sat Feb 25th, 2012 at 02:18:52 PM EST
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I did say nothing of inventing. I justed pointed out what he practiced as head of the Reichsbank after 1933. And what he practiced had not much to with the post war Bundesbank dogma or the austrian school.

Woytinsky couldn't even get a majority inside the social democrats for the WTB plan, mostly because Hilferding was opposed.

by IM on Sat Feb 25th, 2012 at 02:28:19 PM EST
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And that's all one needs to know about social democrats, isn't it?
by Katrin on Sat Feb 25th, 2012 at 02:38:52 PM EST
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I don't know. They listened to the expert and the expert was Hilferding and Hilferding said no. Was it really that far-fetched to listen to Hilferding?

At same time a certain Mosley did leave the labour party, because they would not listen to his keynesian proposals. And in 1932, Roosevelt attacked Hoover because the deficits were to high.

by IM on Sat Feb 25th, 2012 at 02:44:40 PM EST
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Woytinsky was an expert too, so that argument doesn't convince me. One should think the SPD could have learned it by now, though.
by Katrin on Sat Feb 25th, 2012 at 03:41:00 PM EST
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Hilferding had, since the publication of Finanzkapital in 1910 a big standing. We shouldn't ignore that fact.
by IM on Sat Feb 25th, 2012 at 06:49:35 PM EST
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I don't know. They listened to the expert and the expert was Hilferding and Hilferding said no. Was it really that far-fetched to listen to Hilferding?

Yes. It was blatantly obvious to anybody who had eyes to see with that only massive state intervention in support of full employment could ever have any hope of pulling the country out of the crisis.

Major industrial depressions where not, the official version of history notwithstanding, a new and exciting development at the time. There was the next best thing to a century of empirical evidence that laizzes-faire did not, and indeed could not, work.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Fri Mar 9th, 2012 at 03:46:46 AM EST
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Go here to download the extension. Firefox will install TribExt.

Your screen should now be glowing orange and emitting a low hum. Do not worry, this is normal. But it's advisable to put on latex gloves before touching the keyboard.

Select, on its html page, the text you want to translate, and right-click (Windows). The option Translate appears in the menu. It opens a new page with the text to be translated on the left. Beneath it, a drop-down menu allows you to define its language. On the right, the empty frames have English defined beneath them, by default.

When you have "German" on the left and "English" on the right, click the "Translate" button between them. The right-hand frames will fill with Google Translate's translation. Check it carefully. To correct, click within a frame and edit appropriately.

When finished, click on "Copy output and close". You can then paste into your comment or diary. The two texts will be html-formatted side by side with link above, as you may have seen here or there in green and yellow.

 

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Feb 25th, 2012 at 02:49:16 PM EST
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My screen is glowing orange and emitting a loud grrr. The keyboard has eaten the gloves. Which html page?

(I found out that I had Firefox 8 and the extension for 10., but I fixed that now. I don't know how to get a html page though.)

by Katrin on Sat Feb 25th, 2012 at 03:37:29 PM EST
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Just the original web page where the text to be translated is.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Feb 25th, 2012 at 03:52:34 PM EST
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,,Aktive Konjunkturpolitik" in der Weltwirtschaftskrise - Solon-Line.de % u201D% u201EAktive economic policy in the Great Depression - Solon Line.de
Woytinsky hatte in Die Arbeit (Heft 3, 1932) erläutert, in welcher Weise die nicht untergebrachten Anleihestücke "den Banken als Unterlage für eine Zwischenfinanzierung der Arbeitsbeschaffung dienen" sollten: "Von den mit den Arbeiten betrauten Unternehmern werden Wechsel auf die als Träger der Arbeiten in Betracht kommenden öffentlich-rechtlichen Körperschaften gezogen." Die Banken könnten diese Wechsel einlösen und ihrerseits "bei der Reichsbank diskontieren". In der Resolution vom 13. April 1932 fehlte jedoch der entscheidend wichtige Verweis auf die Diskontierbarkeit bei der Reichsbank. Es hieß nur: "Soweit die Anleihestücke noch nicht in vollem Umfange auf dem Kapitalmarkt untergebracht sind, sollen sie den Banken als Unterlage für eine Zwischenfinanzierung der Arbeitsbeschaffung dienen."[11]Woytinsky had explained in Die Arbeit (Issue 3, 1932), "serve the banks as a basis for interim financing of job creation," the manner in which the non-accommodated bond pieces should be: "Of the charge of the works contractors changes are as the carrier the work taken into consideration in public-sector entities. " The banks could redeem these bills and "discount them at the Reichsbank . The resolution of 13 April 1932, however, lacked the essential and the reference to be discounted at the Reichsbank. They said only: "As far as the bond sites are not yet accommodated in full on the capital market, the banks are to serve them as a basis for interim financing of job creation." [11]
Insbesondere Tarnow war entschieden gegen den Kompromiss mit der Anleihe gewesen. Und Woytinsky hatte immer wieder betont: "Krisenbekämpfung heißt aber Arbeitsbeschaffung. Und wer Arbeitsbeschaffung sagt, der hat von der Kreditschöpfung gesprochen."[12]In particular, Tarnow had been decidedly against the compromise with the bond. And Woytinsky had repeatedly emphasized: "fighting the crisis is job creation, and who says job creation speaks of the creation of credit.." [12]

It works. Thanks Afew.

by Katrin on Sat Feb 25th, 2012 at 04:19:01 PM EST
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