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I mean, the article isn't half bad... for a right-winger.

tens of millions of people stand to see their lives ruined because the bureaucrats at the ECB don't understand introductory economics -- Dean Baker
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Feb 9th, 2012 at 11:15:08 AM EST
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Now that we agree that the SPD is right wing, and that in a more normal world these would be reasonable conservative prescriptions for what ails Europe at present, we would still need to point out that yet another representative and influential German still has no fucking clue about macro-economics and the actual problem which is at hand.

You know, the evil versus stupid dilemma is increasingly irrelavent.

Fai de bèn a Bertrand, te lou rendra en cagant

by redstar on Thu Feb 9th, 2012 at 11:20:27 AM EST
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As the political spectrum continues to shift rightwards under our feet, the European united left and green left parties have the Social Democratic ideological space wide open for them to colonise.

tens of millions of people stand to see their lives ruined because the bureaucrats at the ECB don't understand introductory economics -- Dean Baker
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Feb 9th, 2012 at 11:27:15 AM EST
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Here in France our Socialist has Merkel shitting her pants and campaigning actively for his opponent, the most unpopular President in the 5th Republic and who stands essentially no realistic chance of staying on, and he's not even the most vociferous opponent of Merkozian austerity, that would be Mélenchon to his left. I suspect Germany will begin to look extremely isolated and fololish by the end of this Spring.

And, in Germany they of course also have a reasonable alternative, Die Linke, unfortunately the Germans have a particular theological aversion to the left, suspect that is why Marx was writing about their ideological foibles over 150 years ago...

Fai de bèn a Bertrand, te lou rendra en cagant

by redstar on Thu Feb 9th, 2012 at 11:44:14 AM EST
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I suspect Germany will begin to look extremely isolated and fololish by the end of this Spring.

I don't know, I may be wrong but they appear to be able to count on the support of the Netherlands, Sweden, Finland...

tens of millions of people stand to see their lives ruined because the bureaucrats at the ECB don't understand introductory economics -- Dean Baker

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Feb 9th, 2012 at 11:56:59 AM EST
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See here.

tens of millions of people stand to see their lives ruined because the bureaucrats at the ECB don't understand introductory economics -- Dean Baker
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Feb 9th, 2012 at 12:00:10 PM EST
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I'm sure they can count on those they could count on in the '30's too...exception probably being Italy.

Fai de bèn a Bertrand, te lou rendra en cagant
by redstar on Thu Feb 9th, 2012 at 12:03:35 PM EST
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Stalin isn't around either ;)
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Feb 9th, 2012 at 02:44:01 PM EST
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Japan?
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Thu Feb 9th, 2012 at 02:49:21 PM EST
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It might, just might have something to do with 45 years of Communist occupation and oppression, whom all leading Die Linke politicians aren't distancing themselves from as much as they should...

The Swedish Left party had the same problem until recently, with lots of old semi-fossilized DDR-, Cuba-, Soviet-, and North Korea-lovers in leading positions.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Thu Feb 9th, 2012 at 06:18:48 PM EST
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Many of the western parties took a very long time to even admit the excesses of Stalinism much less credibly distancing themselves from it, I recall watching Knud Jespersen on television back in the mid-80's, it was painful to watch. Those are hard things to live down and get past, but some of the western parties, notably in the Netherlands, in Italy and in France, have done so, making the transition to Eurocommunism more or less keeing the ideology intact.

However, in the eastern countries, and this really holds for Die Linke, you have to remember that there is a core constituency, in the eastern lander, who genuinely have some level of positive connection to the more recent past. Communism was not Stalinism, not in the 1970's, not in the 1980's, and it is a mistake to say that the system, albeit with some need for more reforms, was the same as it was in the 1950's or the 1930's any moreso than it is a mistake to say that the liberal democracies are the same as they were in the 1950's and 1930's, back in the days of routinely censored press, overt collusion between the monied classes and the government and security apparatuses (violent strike-breaking, massacres of peaceful protestors and example of which we commemorated here in Paris the day before yesterday). The fact is, that communist past is not looked upon with the same amount of shame by core eastern constituents of Die Linke as might be desired by segments of the Western population who nonetheless have no real alternative to Die Linke if they wish to have their interests defended in the public sphere. But I think having Oskar Lafontaine take such a positive initial role went a long ways to bridging that gap, and recall Gregor Gysi being warmly welcomed, while campaigning, in the western parts of the country.

All of this hand-wringing about sympathies for Castro seem to me to be a red herring, and of course we know which press are publicly accentuating that aspect of the party, which is as unfortunate as it is predictable.

As usual, it will take generational change, perhaps many. The ideals of the first French republic were drowned out by counter-revolutionary forces and reaction to its initial excesses for the better part of a half-century, and did not really take hold for another one. The same will be true of the Soviet experiment.

Fai de bèn a Bertrand, te lou rendra en cagant

by redstar on Fri Feb 10th, 2012 at 06:43:20 AM EST
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