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Sarkozy intensifies anti-immigration rhetoric | Europe | DW.DE | 12.03.2012

French presidential hopeful Nicolas Sarkozy has hardened his stance against immigration, claiming that France would exit Europe's open-border zone if the EU fails to clamp down on illegal immigration.

France will be the first country to suspend participation in the Schengen Area if no progress is made in curtailing illegal immigration in France, said incumbent President Nicolas Sarkozy in front of cheering supporters at a Sunday campaign rally.

The gathering marked a key event in Sarkozy's presidential campaign, which with six weeks to go before polling day on April 22, has seen the incumbent's rhetoric focus more and more on immigration policy - much like his campaign five years ago, when he launched an anti-immigration drive in the run up to elections.

But Sunday's rally in Paris was the first time Sarkozy threatened action at the European level. Until now, his proposed action had been confined to France, with promises this time around to cut immigration by half during his five-year term.

by Nomad on Mon Mar 12th, 2012 at 05:10:27 PM EST
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Gaddafi 'contributed €50m to Sarkozy's 2007 presidential election fund' | World news | The Guardian

Damaging new claims have emerged about the funding of Nicolas Sarkozy's 2007 election campaign and his links with former Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi emerged.

The French investigative website Mediapart claims to have seen a confidential note suggesting Gaddafi contributed up to €50m (£42m) to Sarkozy's election fund five years ago.

Similar allegations emerged a year ago when Gaddafi's son Saif al-Islam claimed Libya helped finance the 2007 campaign and demanded the French president, who led the war on the Libyan leader, return the money.

In an interview with the Euronews TV channel, Saif al-Islam, who is currently being held in Libya after his father's defeat and death, threatened to make details of the bank transfers public after the French leader threw his weight behind opposition forces.

The latest allegations come at a crucial time for Sarkozy who is seeking a second term in office in a two-round election in under six weeks.

by Nomad on Mon Mar 12th, 2012 at 05:10:59 PM EST
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Hahahaha...just great.
Here and there now we have it in the open who are people/politicians that are leading us (world wide). Scum!!!
No wonder that we are where we are...Oh if we can (God forbid) really see who they are and what they were and are doing (ruining our lives in the process) what exactly we could do anyway?
I am simply not voting as a matter of protest. Cause I do not want to choose between "two evils" and that's what we are pushed to do for a long time. Vote for less evil. Not any more for me.
They say "politic is a whore" and we have to accept all wrong doing because it's a politic. There are no honest people in politic. Ok but I am out of voting...do it without me.
People are either really too stupid or to busy with their own situations to even bother too much. They make their opinion about voting through TV and little talk with friends. But really there is not much choice there so people vote only on the bases of their "class". Some of them simply do not have real picture where they are standing (what "class" they actually belong to ,because of this credit madness). They sometimes find the truth about it when crises like tis kick...


Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind...Albert Einstein
by vbo on Mon Mar 12th, 2012 at 09:23:14 PM EST
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Well, whilst it is always tempting to say that they're all as bad as each other or even that voting ultimately makes no difference, they're not and it does. Otherwise people all over the world would not be fighting and dying for the chance to do that which you so casually discard

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Mar 13th, 2012 at 06:01:52 AM EST
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Well I doubt people all over the world are actually fighting and dying for the chance to vote for one of two nearly identical elite factions.

Still not voting is probably the most useless form of protest.

Von überall könnte das Volk, Urbrut alles Undemokratischen, Zelle des Terrors, über die gewählten Hüter von Wachstum und Wohlstand® kommen. - flatter

by generic on Tue Mar 13th, 2012 at 07:22:08 AM EST
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What people are actually voting for is the chance to get rid of the bums without bloodshed by voting them out.

Violent revolution usually is either put down or results in replacing the old elite faction with a nearly identical elite faction anyway.

There are three stories about the euro crisis: the Republican story, the German story, and the truth. -- Paul Krugman

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Mar 13th, 2012 at 07:29:36 AM EST
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It's the exceptions which move us all forward.

The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill
by redstar on Tue Mar 13th, 2012 at 08:05:25 AM EST
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Or maybe it's the interlude which moves us forward.

There are three stories about the euro crisis: the Republican story, the German story, and the truth. -- Paul Krugman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Mar 13th, 2012 at 08:06:09 AM EST
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What people are actually votingfighting for

There are three stories about the euro crisis: the Republican story, the German story, and the truth. -- Paul Krugman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Mar 13th, 2012 at 09:26:20 AM EST
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What people are actually voting for is the chance to get rid of the bums without bloodshed by voting them out.

Yes and to replace them with other bums...it's so sickening.


Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind...Albert Einstein
by vbo on Tue Mar 13th, 2012 at 10:56:24 PM EST
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No, it's the best you can hope for. It's called incomplete information and not believing in the great men theory of history.

There are three stories about the euro crisis: the Republican story, the German story, and the truth. -- Paul Krugman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Mar 14th, 2012 at 04:52:14 AM EST
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On this, the voters deserve a large part of the blame: for not looking closely (in particular at alternatives other than the biggest opposition party at the moment) and often making decisions on the basis of ridiculous whims (like "I would have a beer with him" or "he would be a nice son-in-law") and then not learning from the mistake the next time.

(The above was partly informed by my recent reading of an op-ed by a satirist I otherwise admire. He admitted outright of voting for Orbán's Fidesz in 2010 to get rid of the bums in power, then proceeded to trash Orbán's actions in government and claimed that he talked of none of this in the election campaign – yet all of those actions could have been foreseen.)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Wed Mar 14th, 2012 at 06:40:40 AM EST
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No, no, it's the elites' fault for not giving the poor, innocent voters, devoid of any agency or responsibility for their own actions, "proper" choices. Oh, and the media. It's the media's fault.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Mar 14th, 2012 at 06:45:25 AM EST
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A person with a vote has agency, a person with a vote, a fortune, an ownership in media and easy access to politicians and other persons with fortunes and ownership of media has more agency. But searching for whose fault it is misses that it is a system.

I am leaning towards DiGondi's position that representative deomcracy is a oxymoron.

A vote for PES is a vote for EPP! A vote for EPP is a vote for PES! Support the coalition, vote EPP-PES!

by A swedish kind of death on Wed Mar 14th, 2012 at 09:00:07 AM EST
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Maybe that's why Sarkozy wants to close the borders, because he's afraid that people in the know will come over from Libya and tell on him...
by asdf on Tue Mar 13th, 2012 at 10:36:57 AM EST
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and this morning there is one poll where he edges in front of Hollande in the first round, and this is making big headlines as to the inversion of the curves, and the campaign magic of Sarkozy at play again.

The media are desperate for a horserace and since it doesn't seem to be Sarkozy vs Le Pen for second, they're nurturing the fight for first place now. It's depressing.

But then I can't understand people, ven on the right, going for Sarkozy. There are perfectly decent alternative on the right available without needing to vote for the left if you can't do so.

Wind power

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Tue Mar 13th, 2012 at 07:01:11 AM EST
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And Le Monde plays along with a lame interview of Sarkozy's hard-right-winger advisor/election guru Patrick Buisson, who claims that Sarkozy will "protect the weak" thanks to new borders.

Yuck.

Wind power

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Tue Mar 13th, 2012 at 07:06:45 AM EST
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I can't understand people, ven on the right, going for Sarkozy. There are perfectly decent alternative on the right

But Sarko is the not-yet-dethroned alpha male of the right.

You need to get your primatology on. :)

There are three stories about the euro crisis: the Republican story, the German story, and the truth. -- Paul Krugman

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Mar 13th, 2012 at 07:12:19 AM EST
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... and guess what: another poll today gives a radically different result: Hollande 30% (stable), Sarkozy 27% (-2%).

Sarkozy-Hollande: télescopage de sondages - Libération Sarkozy Holland: Polls collide - Liberation
Sauf que 18 heures plus tard, cet inversement de tendances est infirmé par une autre enquête d'opinion - également réalisée après Villepinte. Selon TNS-Sofres pour I-télé, non seulement Sarkozy est devancé au premier tour par le socialiste, à 26 contre 30%. Surtout, il perd deux points depuis le 27 février, alors que Hollande reste stable. De quoi embarasser certains sondeurs: «On est sur une science sociale, pas sur une vérité absolue, mais avoir deux orientations si différentes est embêtant», admet l'un d'eux, qui n'a travaillé sur aucune des enquêtes qui se télescopent aujourd'hui.Except that 18 hours later, this reversal of trend is dismissed by another opinion poll - also performed after the Villepinte meeting. According to TNS-Sofres for I-télé [TV channel], Sarkozy is not only behind the socialist in the first round, 26% vs. 30% [to Hollande]. On top of that, he loses two points since Feb. 27, while Holland is stable. Enough to embarrass some pollsters: "It is a social science, not an absolute truth, even though having two different orientations is rather annoying," admits one of them, who has not worked on any of the two polls that collided today.

Rather "embêtant" indeed for the polling outfits...

by Bernard on Tue Mar 13th, 2012 at 03:26:15 PM EST
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IFOP has been polling the two much closer than the other polls for some time. It's all in the "cooking recipes" the pollsters use on the raw data.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Mar 13th, 2012 at 03:48:34 PM EST
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Nicolas Le Pen - WSJ.com

French President Nicolas Sarkozy has ramped up the anti-immigrant rhetoric in recent days, telling a TV audience last week that France has "too many foreigners" and offering to cut the number of immigrants admitted to France by half should he be re-elected to a second term. Then on Sunday, before a monster rally in a stadium near Paris, he threatened to suspend France's participation in Schengen, Europe's internal borderless-travel zone, unless it is reformed to better keep out the great unwashed.

Even in France, it rarely gets more cynical than this. The attacks on immigration are an attempt to woo supporters of Marine Le Pen's xenophobic National Front ahead of the first-round poll on April 22. Mr. Sarkozy trails his Socialist rival, Francois Hollande, 29% to 27%, according to a recent poll for Paris Match magazine. Ms. Le Pen comes in third at 17%. Little wonder that's where the Sarkozy camp is now mining for votes.

by Bernard on Tue Mar 13th, 2012 at 01:39:37 PM EST
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