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Different advertising, same scumbags. Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere
Hoh...Can you please give me one good example that I can get a picture what your dream is all about?
For "proof" that it's not possible, take the fact that they used to exist until they were legislated out of existance in order to force people to emigrate to the cities to work in factories for the industrial revolution.
You think Katrin has no experience and/or is full of ideals. Maybe she knows history. guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
because I am old and full of experience
Forgive me, but I think I am probably no younger than you. Yet I have lived and worked (as a shepherd) with common pastures in the Pyrenees, and I know farmers today who use them. They are generally organized by local pastoral associations.
Not only that, but I live in a small hamlet (and I know others like it) where the buildings are individual property but the surrounding ground common. This is not in fact so different from people owning an apartment but not the stairs and hall, which are common, or owning a house in town but not the street in front, which is public. Common and public spaces are organized by different bodies and rules, and have existed for centuries.
There used to be more commons, but they were enclosed and privatised by the wealthy, to the detriment of the poor who could no longer use them. If this had been due to human "nature", it would surely have happened long before, yet it is a relatively recent phenomenon, dating back over the last couple of centuries. The rise of capitalism transformed the old hierarchies (where power through rank came with corresponding obligations to subordinates) into power through concentration of wealth with no obligations to subordinates. The notion of individual freedom (of thought and speech, of romantic involvement, of political and economic action) was developed in the Enlightenment, and became the basis of economic theory alleging that the greatest good of the greatest number came about "naturally" as the result of the sum of the acts of individuals seeking their own material betterment. This economic theory, still the standard account today, explains why power through concentration of wealth does not need to come with corresponding obligations, rather conveniently for the concentrators.
Today individualism is on display everywhere in the developed world, with the insistence on the private house surrounded by its private garden, the private jamjar in which to seal oneself off as one travels public streets and roads, the portable entertainment channelled through earphones or the mobile phone obsession by which individuals behave privately when not sealed off in cars or private dwellings. The more wealth is concentrated in a small number of hands, the more the mass of people are convinced the individual life is what matters. The very idea of organising common goods, of sharing, becomes less and less conceivable. But this is the result of an historical shift in economic power and the narrative that is advanced to explain it. It's not human "nature", it's history.
Humans are unable to survive on their own (and I mean that literally), let alone to produce efficiently. Everything we produce is the result of collective efforts. It is completely against human nature to have private property. Collective property ought to be the norm, private property the exotic exception.
As I said I like the idea but unfortunately it looks more and more like real HISTORY to me. Of course again unfortunately (for the reasons you mentioned up there and I agree it's so) we have lost this ability to share (not all of us but those are minority).
The commons is interesting where it concerns productive capital. Private property of means of production for a collective process of production with the result of private ownership of the produce actually is the most far-fetched legislation I can think of and not a matter of "human nature".
It is crucial that the users of the commons feel their responsibility toward the common property and act accordingly. Democratic control of the rules helps. So does the knowledge that the common good is vital. On the local level you can see and grasp that easily. This is why the commons work fairly well in the Alpine landscape with few users and therefore easy communication, and where ecological mistakes mean more avalanches. It does not work well with keeping the air clean or leaving enough fish in the oceans. I don't agree with you that we simply give up attempting to solve the problems of the commons with the excuse that "human nature" doesn't allow it.
Private property is an invention that was legislated into existence and that is at the root of most of our problems. The sooner we legislate it out of existence the better.
Dominium properly signifies the right of dealing with a corporeal thing as a person (dominus) pleases; this, of course, implies the right to exclude all others from meddling with it. The dominus has the right to possess, and is distinguished in that respect from the bare possessor, who has only the right of possession. He who has the ususfructus of a thing, is never considered as owner; and proprietas is the name for that which remains after the ususfructus is deducted from the ownership. Ownership may be either absolute, that is, as complete as the law any ownership to be, or it may be limited. The distinction between bare ownership and ownership united with the beneficial interest, is explained in another place. [Bona.] A person who has no ownership of a thing, may have rights in or to a thing which, as far as they extend, limit the owner's power over his property, as hereafter explained. Ownership, being in its nature single, can only be conceived as belonging to one person; consequently there cannot be several owners of one thing, but several persons may own undivided shares or parts of a thing.
Res is the general name for anything which is the object of a legal act. The chief division of res is into res divini juris, and res humani juris. Res divini juris are those which are appropriated to religious purposes, namely, res sacrae, sanctae, religiosae; and so long as they have this character, they cannot be the objects of property. Res humani juris are all other things that can be the objects of property; and they are either res publicae or res privatae. Res publicae belong to the state, and can only become private property by being deprived of this public character [Agrariae Leges]. Res universitatis are the property of a universitas, and are not the property of any individual. The phrase res nullius is ambiguous; it sometimes means that the thing cannot be the property of any individual, which is affirmed of things divini juris; when applied to things humani juris, it sometimes means that they are not the property of an individual but of a universitas; yet such things may become the property of an individual; res hereditariae are res nullius until there is a heres. Res communes are those which cannot be the objects of property, and therefore are res nullius, as the sea.
9. If a man has lost property and some of it be detected in the possession of another, and the holder has said, "A man sold it to me, I bought it in the presence of witnesses"; and if the claimant has said, "I can bring witnesses who know it to be property lost by me"; then the alleged buyer on his part shall produce the man who sold it to him and the witnesses before whom he bought it; the claimant shall on his part produce the witnesses who know it to be his lost property. The judge shall examine their pleas. The witnesses to the sale and the witnesses who identify the lost property shall state on oath what they know. Such a seller is the thief and shall be put to death. The owner of the lost property shall recover his lost property. The buyer shall recoup himself from the seller's estate.
If you want real fun, you don't restrict yourself to natural persons. Hamburg, although the home of greedy merchants, still has some pre-German self-referential property: a company owns itself. It's pretty unusual, I believe. A nightmare for neoliberals who want to privatise it, of course. There were two of these left, a fire insurance and a savings bank. Our mayor managed to sell the insurance that he didn't own, but the bank, now the last company of that sort, watches out.
It failed... We can call it dictatorship because, while we had chance to VOTE for our representatives being all from one single party ,we had no chance to vote out our leader Tito (it was clearly said that he is a leader for life). Still it seemed like a good idea. In reality it did not work for many reasons...
In my opinion there are other ways to share wealth of one society rather than to nationalise and confiscate...
How is private property created, if not by confiscation? I want to take it back from the thieves. If you think owners have a justified claim: where does it derive from?
there will be (more) crooks to take an advantage from this situation.
Even more crooks than now? How, since property would be under democratic control? Why is a collective worse than Mr Blankfein?
people feel about "common property" as it is nobodies property so they do not care that much
The "tragedy of the commons", yes. If you followed Mig's and my links, you must have seen that there is a heap of literature on the topic, suggesting that this behaviour occurs less often than thought. This is in accordance with my experience in protecting the environment: thousands and millions of us were and are prepared to be active in order to protect this commons against pollution by privately run business.
With respect, but aren't you a bit naïve in your defence of private property?
privacy? The power of knowledge is in mortal combat with the knowledge of power. It really is that simple... That's the Edenic apple we are all munching on.
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