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Interesting reports, but I don't believe it because I have personal experience with this. I've been involved with people in Venezuela's oil industry, and they may talk a good game, but China has yet to receive that much oil from Venezuela despite billions invested there, and is largely abandoning the country. Anyone with oil industry experience has to laughing at those news reports right now.  Chavez is a hustler, and he's hustled some of the biggest powers in the world so far.  A simple visit to the facilities in Venezuela will show that it's simply not physically possible for China to get the oil that's being reported.  Everything is pretty much shut down and in need of parts and repair.

The US is dependent on oil, and it can get it from enemies and allies alike.  That's dependency on oil, not on a foreign power.

by santiago on Wed May 2nd, 2012 at 02:14:19 PM EST
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I don't believe it because I have personal experience with this.

Well that's info I can't check. But your claims of China abandoning the country don't rhyme with that refinery.

That's dependency on oil, not on a foreign power.

If the USA can't give up on oil from a single country then yes it is dependence on a foreign power.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Wed May 2nd, 2012 at 02:25:26 PM EST
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Yeah, I can't validate it, especially because my experience was courtesy of the government of Venezuela, so I don't submit it as evidence -- just to register my surprise and incredulity at the news reports you cited.  

The US has no reason to give up Venezuelan oil.  Venezuela is not a threat to the US in any way and hasn't done anything to warrant an embargo of any kind, so the proposition that it cannot give it up remains untested.  The Obama administration might also like to give up oil from Texas, which hates Washington right now too, but not doing so does not mean that Texas is not dependent upon Washington for its well being.  Venezuela is in a similar category of an otherwise allied country being led at the present time by a person who, like the Tea Party, gets political support by harmlessly haranguing Washington.

by santiago on Wed May 2nd, 2012 at 03:35:48 PM EST
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hasn't done anything to warrant an embargo of any kind

LOL.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Wed May 2nd, 2012 at 07:23:56 PM EST
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U.S. Sanctions Against Venezuela :: Gatestone Institute

In May, the U.S. State Department imposed sanctions on Venezuela's state oil company Petroleos de Venezuela (PDVSA) for trading with Iran. The press release states that between December 2010 and March 2011 the PDVSA delivered to Iran at least two cargoes of reformate (i.e. a blending component that improves the quality of gasoline), worth approximately $50 million.

The sanctions prohibit PDVSA from competing for U.S. government procurement contracts, from securing financing from the Export-Import Bank of the United States, and from obtaining U.S. export licenses. However, the sanctions do not apply to PDVSA subsidiaries and do not prohibit the export of crude oil to the United States.



*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Wed May 2nd, 2012 at 07:26:49 PM EST
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And?  The US imposed the same kind of sanctions on a Venezuelan company that it also imposes on other companies that do the same thing. What's your point?  It certainly wasn't a violation that should require a general embargo on oil from Venezuela.
by santiago on Thu May 3rd, 2012 at 01:16:25 AM EST
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