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Re: 15M update (none / 0)

"gatherings of more than 20 people in the public space must be notified 10 days in advance, and the authorities may then forbid it (subject to appeal) on grounds of public safety," is just legalese for previous authorisation

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon May 14th, 2012 at 05:42:20 AM EST
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Re: 15M update (none / 0)

No. It says the default option is the right to assembly and authorities need very good reasons for a ban. An obligation to get prior authorisation would put demonstrators in a much weaker position (which is what the Spanish government obviously wants to achieve).

by Katrin on Mon May 14th, 2012 at 06:14:51 AM EST
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Re: 15M update (none / 0)

An obligation to get prior authorisation would put demonstrators in a much weaker position (which is what the Spanish government obviously wants to achieve).

That was the situation with the laws before the Constitution of 1978, which included:

Article 21
1.The right to peaceful unarmed assembly is recognised. The exercise of this right shall not require prior authorisation.
2.In the event of meetings in public places and of demonstrations, prior notification shall be given to the authorities, who may ban them only when there are well founded grounds to expect a breach of public order, involving danger to persons or property.

What the government wants to do is use strict enforcement as a deterrent. The administrative fines for failing to notify are stiff.

I wonder whether, philosophically, anarchists would prefer to knowingly risk the hefty fine than to flood the government with notifications (a sort of DDS attack).

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon May 14th, 2012 at 06:23:41 AM EST
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Re: 15M update (none / 0)

I suspect that anarchists are far more in love with being contrarian than they are with being effective.

Not dissimilar to terrorists who are far more in love with blowing shit up than they are with planning and implementing strategies that may actually succeed.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon May 14th, 2012 at 06:48:34 AM EST
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another way to do it (4.00 / 2)

would be to organize a bunch of 19 person assemblies, all over the place. play with the inanities of the law.

by wu ming on Mon May 14th, 2012 at 05:02:03 PM EST
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Re: another way to do it (none / 0)

The one counting is the police though.

Von überall könnte das Volk, Urbrut alles Undemokratischen, Zelle des Terrors, über die gewählten Hüter von Wachstum und Wohlstand® kommen. - flatter

by generic on Tue May 15th, 2012 at 08:49:35 AM EST
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Re: another way to do it (none / 0)

"... and with me, that makes 20! You 19 are under arrest."

_{It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue
- Queen Elizabeth II}

by eurogreen on Tue May 15th, 2012 at 10:16:26 AM EST
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