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But pressure from the left is more than ever necessary.
What are ET's thoughts (channeling Melanchthon here) on this tribune and on Roosevelt 2012?
I do not know economics. Some time ago, I try to write something about the current situation. But I'm perplexed.
-I started to think about it especially since the article by Gabriel Jackson elpais of September 2, 2011 (A comparison between two depressions). -I'm trying to understand what Dani Rodrik (The Globalization Paradox. Why Global Markets, States and Democracy Can't Coexist) said. He raises the necessity of a new Bretton Woods. -Etc.
http://manifest-europa.eu/category/allgemein?lang=en
I might argue with their lack of insight into the reasons for the U.S. economic development during and after WW II - namely our physical isolation and, then, our position as the only intact manufacturing economy post-war. That is, the U.S., however much the political leaders may have consciously manipulated the situation, 'lucked out'.
Point being that we have to move beyond the hyper-exploitation model that has been employed by all concerned for most of modern history. It will be interesting to see how this group positions itself in that regard, as they clarify and focus their policies. Their initial rhetoric gives some hope in that regard. paul spencer
Until the arrival of Ronald Reagan in 1981, the U.S. economy functioned with no need of either private or public debt.
I especially agree with this observation: Social justice is not a luxury that should give up because of the crisis; rebuilding social justice is the only way out of the crisis!
The alternative to rebuilding social justice and the rule of law is a descent into an authoritarian, oligarchic police state, or worse, and such states are never beneficial to the majority of the public - quite the contrary. As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
Many perhaps still mourn the loss of the French empire
Certainly none of the named signatories. Edgar Morin, Stéphane Hessel, Michel Rocard, Susan George, among the better-known ones. And likewise, I'm sure all of them applaud the loss of US hegemony over Latin America. It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
In the USA in that time, the functioning of the economy depended on huge pools of grossly underpaid labor (black and female workers) plus a massive military buildup. All those Polaris submarine workers got paid very well. In addition, the economy was built on both unsustainable destruction of the environment and the grinding poverty of neo-colonial world. The idea that "neoliberals" were able by fiat to reduce first world workers wages seems to me to relegate the economic independence struggles of China and Brazil to background - that is to be hampered by the characteristic problem of Western thought, an assumption that the experience of white males in OECD nations is what is important and all else is trivia.
And of course the rise of industry and the availability of both skilled labor and infrastructure in BRICS has had a negative effect on wages in OECD.
- Jake If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.
when US manufacturers had the choice of globalizing production or being crushed.
History is dynamic.
The debate between Harvey and Arrighi is really fascinating in that Arrighi was still attempting to use marxian global analysis and "dialectics" while Harvey has been totally absorbed in a mixture Ricardian economics and sectarian blame manufacturing.
I submit a big direct cause and reason for the high wage rate in the US is the high Cost of Living driven, in large measure, by privileging FIRE businesses over business that create wealth.
And by a debt-based money system. Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere
The OECD share models are utter fraud. What US white workers were sharing was the fruits of a world wide empire. The "value" added by a US auto worker should be factored into the value extracted by the US installed colonial governments in Iran, for example.
The "neoliberal" theory of people like David Harvey is built on the intellectual victory of Ricardian economics and denial of any agency to people outside the ruling class of the Western nations. No wonder it has enshrined Trumanism as a kind of golden age of the working class.
rootless has, in my opinion, come-up with a rather good political-economics essay question:
What, exactly, IS the "wealth" produced by a nuclear missile factory? Explicate. Note: negative number(s) may be necessary for a complete answer.
:-) Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere
The tribune above indulges in no nostalgia. It simply points out that Roosevelt had the courage to regulate finance and to transform the tax system in a progressive sense, and that the American economy didn't shrivel up and die as a result. That deregulation over the past thirty or so years has resulted in a considerable increase in the wealth of the richer as compared to the poorer parts of the population (whether one validates the "wage share in value added" metric or not is beside the point, over a time series it can serve). And that Europe, in current circumstances, would be well advised to follow Roosevelt's example.
There's nothing more to it than that.
See, I had thought that the social changes of the Roosevelt period resulted from the combination of a number of factors including the labor insurrection of the early 1930s. I had, I guess foolishly, thought that such things as the West Coast general strike and the rise of the mine workers union and so on had forced capital to adapt. But now I am enlightened and see it was only due to the courage of Mr. Roosevelt.
Look at Roosevelt's electoral map in 1932 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1932
The French do not deserve to be saved, for they are sinners.
I guess we'll just have to dissolve the people and elect a new one. It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
The founding signatories of the 15 policy points in the manifesto are not fake lefties waiting for their chance to get on TV, as you suggest elsewhere. People like Stéphane Hessel who wrote the essay Indignez vous!, or Susan George of ATTAC, or the sociologist Edgar Morin, are not unaware of the need for a major social movement, it's much more on that side that they have always expended their energy than in party politics.
The split electorate problem bedevils us, but it's to a considerable extent due to the death of the perspectives people might feel the left held out in the pre-Soviet decline 20th century. Large movements of opinion that could change that split need to know that history has not ended leaving only the free-market economy standing.
Either you have completely (deliberately?) misunderstood what this manifesto is about, or you are opposed to the idea of economic and social change through representative democracy. I guess the latter. It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
Ramsay MacDonald - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Labour returned to power - this time as the largest party - in 1929 but was soon overwhelmed by the crisis of the Great Depression, in which the Labour government was split by demands for public spending cuts to preserve the Gold Standard. In 1931, he formed a National Government in which only two of his Labour colleagues agreed to serve and the majority of whose MPs were from the Conservatives. As a result, MacDonald was expelled from the Labour Party, which accused him of "betrayal". The Gold Standard soon had to be abandoned after the Invergordon Mutiny and MacDonald's National Government won a huge "doctor's mandate" at the 1931 General Election, at which the Labour Party was reduced to a rump of around 50 seats in the House of Commons.
Better than Roosevelt, evidently.
Oh, I see, history comes down to the courage or lack of courage of Presidents and Kings...
There is no doubt that the challenges facing Hollande or any other leader wishing to reform the financial system are significantly more challenging today for lack of such forces pressuring a reformer to do what they would themselves like to do, but the point afew made about the necessity for engendering hope and offering vision remain. Yours seems a counsel of despair and that is unhelpful. Perhaps this situation is like the one Lenin described as "The worse the better." One thing we should know and others need to know is that, failing a successful push-back, millions of people will be ground to dust and then the system will implode anyway. As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
He also said that the problem with FDR was that he agreed with whoever spoke to him last.
Where organized labor was strong, Roosevelt moved to make some concessions to working people. But: "Where organized labor was weak, Roosevelt was unprepared to withstand the pressures of industrial spokesmen to control the . . . NRA codes." Barton Bernstein (Towards a New Past) confirms this: "Despite the annoyance of some big businessmen with Section 7a, the NRA reaffirmed and consolidated their power. . . ." Bellush sums up his view of the NRA:
The White House permitted the National Association of Manufacturers, the Chamber of Commerce, and allied business and trade associations to assume overriding authority... . Indeed, private administration became public administration, and private government became public government, insuring the marriage of capitalism with statism.
I think that was a Roosevelt too, albeit a different one.
The regulator "did not sufficiently assess the susceptibility of highly illiquid, complex instruments," to ratings downgrades, Scott Polakoff told the banking committee in prepared testimony today. "In hindsight, OTS should have directed the company to stop originating credit-default swap products before December 2005."
Are you seriously going to argue in a sober voice that the Commodities Futures Modernization Act did not matter to AIG's failure?
Would you also have argued that if it had passed in 2001 instead of 2000?
Keep on dreaming.
Are you claiming the OTS would have had better luck under a Gore presidency than the CFTC had under the Clinton presidency? If so, on what grounds?
Even Clinton says derivatives dereg was a mistake. http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2010/04/clinton-rubin-and-summers-gave-me-wrong-advice-on-deriv atives-and-i-was-wrong-to-take-it/
Even Rubin admits he was wrong although in his typically self-serving way http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2009/12/28/getting-the-economy-back-on-track.html
While some people saw one or more of these factors, virtually no one involved in the financial system--whether institutions, investors, regulators, analysts, or commentators--recognized the breadth of forces at work or the possibility of a megacrisis, and this included the most experienced among us. More personally, I regret that I, too, didn't see the potential for such extreme conditions despite my many years involved in financial matters and my concern for market excesses.
first is that there wasn't really much middle class back then as there became later, peaking in the 60's.
the very rich had hornswoggled the economy, then as now, and something had to give, roosevelt saw the gap mass state-supported employment could fill, and filled it.
the second is that finance, although relatively opaque even then, has become orders of magnitude opaquer, so the common man is clueless as to the myriad layers of obfuscation hiding the naked facts, to understand their complex causes as the wrecking ball of austerity smashes into his house equity (illusionary, yes, but he counted on it), savings, bond and stock yields, and pension funds.
another difference i believe significant is public federal pension schemes didn't exist back then, the welfare state was still a dream, so the huge social security funds weren't swelling the brokers' accounts to the degree they do today. The power of knowledge is in mortal combat with the knowledge of power. It really is that simple... That's the Edenic apple we are all munching on.
We are witnessing a dramatic articulation of the essential contradiction between democracy and capitalism. More than ever, this is the essential political problem of our times. While the nation-state still remains the requisite form of society's self-determination, the pillar of integrity of the nation-form since the advent of modernity - namely, national economy - is now thoroughly dismantled by the dynamics of a globalised economy that could care less about national boundaries, cultural particularities, social histories, or even more, societies themselves as self-recognised collectives of real men and women whose very conditions of life are at stake. This is not meant to be taken metaphorically. The lives of Greeks are literally perishing in order to satisfy ruthless profit margins of global capital. Suicide rates have tripled in the last year, in a country that statistically held the lowest suicide rate in the world. Suicides have now become a daily occurrence, a bona fide social phenomenon in a society that may be characterised in all kinds of ways, but it could never be known for either its violence or its depressive behaviour. Many more than those who choose to take their lives so as not to saddle their families with insurmountable debt are living in borderline hunger conditions, a level of poverty not seen since the Second World War and its aftermath. Moreover, these conditions have been created with unprecedented speed - a kind of flash impoverishment on a mass scale, which can only happen when all terms of national economy are annihilated and external financial forces wield direct political power over a national terrain. This is why, though Greece still exists on the map of nations under a sovereign flag, it is effectively a country on hold - or under hold, a country whose sovereignty has been mortgaged.
We are witnessing a dramatic articulation of the essential contradiction between democracy and capitalism. More than ever, this is the essential political problem of our times. While the nation-state still remains the requisite form of society's self-determination, the pillar of integrity of the nation-form since the advent of modernity - namely, national economy - is now thoroughly dismantled by the dynamics of a globalised economy that could care less about national boundaries, cultural particularities, social histories, or even more, societies themselves as self-recognised collectives of real men and women whose very conditions of life are at stake.
This is not meant to be taken metaphorically. The lives of Greeks are literally perishing in order to satisfy ruthless profit margins of global capital. Suicide rates have tripled in the last year, in a country that statistically held the lowest suicide rate in the world. Suicides have now become a daily occurrence, a bona fide social phenomenon in a society that may be characterised in all kinds of ways, but it could never be known for either its violence or its depressive behaviour. Many more than those who choose to take their lives so as not to saddle their families with insurmountable debt are living in borderline hunger conditions, a level of poverty not seen since the Second World War and its aftermath.
Moreover, these conditions have been created with unprecedented speed - a kind of flash impoverishment on a mass scale, which can only happen when all terms of national economy are annihilated and external financial forces wield direct political power over a national terrain. This is why, though Greece still exists on the map of nations under a sovereign flag, it is effectively a country on hold - or under hold, a country whose sovereignty has been mortgaged.
I would love to hear talos' take on this article. Now where are we going and what's with the handbasket?
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