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Also I wonder why it is that separating the ownership of the track infrastructure from the train operations is always so troublesome. It seems to be pretty much the same as what the auto enthusiasts are telling us is the future of highways, with networked car controlling systems, traffic metering, etc.

What is so hard about running standardized trains on a standardized rail network? I know we can't manage to do it over here, but our bone-headedness isn't much of an excuse...

by asdf on Sat Jun 16th, 2012 at 10:38:49 PM EST
DoDo can comment better on the technical details, but the economics of open access discourage investment in and maintenance of the infrastructure that competitors can piggy-back on.

- Jake

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by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sun Jun 17th, 2012 at 07:09:00 AM EST
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I don't know how much it factors in, but highways has a tradition of being payed by the government as a seperate item, while tracks has a tradition of being payed partly by the government ad partly by passengers as a bundled item together with traffic. I once read a Swedish text from the 70ies arguing that if the price structure was pushing goods from rail to roads because the (then national) rail company had to cover the costs of the tracks too, while the lorry companies only paid for the trucks and gas.

So to make the comparision equivalent, the onwer of the tracks shoould be the government and must take the full costs of maintaining the system, that is it should charge only congestion fees. In parctise I suspect this means a much bigger rail budget.

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by A swedish kind of death on Sun Jun 17th, 2012 at 09:24:44 AM EST
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No, to make the comparison equivalent, the owner of the tracks should be the government, it must take the full cost of maintenance and must expand to meet forecasted demand, and then charge only the administrative overhead of running the scheduling system.

Because that's how we do with highways.

- Jake

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by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sun Jun 17th, 2012 at 09:38:04 AM EST
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To further improve the analogy, tucks as well as passenger cars and buses on highways should be made to run on schedule and be fitted with collision protection and automatic speed restriction.

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by DoDo on Sun Jun 17th, 2012 at 11:02:52 AM EST
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And drivers should have to pay for their use of the highways, with steep discounts if they book their use of a certain stretch 3 months ahead of time.
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Mon Jun 18th, 2012 at 02:11:28 AM EST
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In The Dawn Of Open Access (1/2), I wrote on unbundling in combination with franchising:

This model can certainly increase the total number of rail passengers, however, transfers become more problematic, branch lines are abandoned in advance of franchising, and the costs for taxpayers do not decrease but increase. Due to unbundling, train operators seek to externalise costs to the (still state-owned) infrastructure manager.

...and on unbundling and open access:

You can't run a railway like a highway completely, given signalling (see 310 km/h with ETCS) and the resulting need to run by schedule, so the means were created to organise trains into timetable slots ("train paths"). Train paths are sold at fixed rates ("track access charges")...

I won't quote the passages on (negative) experience with open access in railfreight in full, just list point-wise without detailed explanation:

  • less profitable business was gotten rid off in advance & not much was gained back by startups
  • new market players died out/showed risk aversion
  • train paths needed the creation of a new bureaucracy
  • track access charges are subject to incumbent-new entrant blame games and pushing of externalities (the point JakeS raised, which is one of, if not the most important problem)
  • rolling stock commissioning is difficult (wholly standardized railways are far, far away)
  • ownership & management of maintenance facilities is necessarily less effective
  • distributed responsibilities lower safety
  • pressure on labour, which also lowers safety

As for open access in long-distance passenger transport, extra issues also in short form:
  • access to station facilities
  • with train paths the issue is not just getting them but getting favourable ones (travel time, connecting services)
  • competitive new entrants focus on the busiest lines, which has repercussions on the rest of the network of the incumbent


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by DoDo on Sun Jun 17th, 2012 at 11:22:51 AM EST
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I though other issues with open access freight operators was access to terminal facilities and effectively to customers. How would an open access operator handle anything but a block train? How would they access an intermodal terminal?
by Jace (jace6315 at yahoo etc.) on Mon Jun 18th, 2012 at 04:47:08 PM EST
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Terminals are supposed to operate in open-access mode, but indeed that's a conflict potential, too. In particular in Poland, where new entrants are accusing incumbent PKP of blocking them by demanding unreasonably long buffer times and high charges for the use of their terminals.

An open access operator could also handle wagonload traffic, and there are examples on branchlines and industrial connections abandoned by the freight branch of the incumbent, but of course these aren't much profitable (nor are they an example of competition).

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by DoDo on Tue Jun 19th, 2012 at 01:36:39 AM EST
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Terminals are supposed to operate in open-access mode

The relevant passage in the Second Railway Package (2004/51/EC):

Track access to, and supply of services in, the terminals
and ports linked to rail activities referred to in paragraphs 1, 2 and 3, serving or potentially serving more than one final customer, shall be provided to all railway undertakings in a non-discriminatory and transparent manner and requests by railway undertakings may be subject to restrictions only if viable alternatives by rail under market conditions exist.


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by DoDo on Tue Jun 19th, 2012 at 03:55:02 AM EST
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