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there is no les money now than there was in 2007 or 2000 when there was oodles of money flowing around. All that's happened is that the rich, with the collusion of our elected representatives, have captured more of it for themselves

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jun 20th, 2012 at 03:30:56 AM EST
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In a very practical sense there is also less money circulating. The vast majority of money is in the form of bank created loans. Since 2008 banks have had a dearth of credit-worthy individuals who are willing to take on a new loan, as 'deleveraging' and getting out of debt has become the order of the day. The poor banks and their 'supervisors' are having trouble creating new bubbles that entice the average investor, who now is looking for safety instead of returns. And many of those would prefer to keep several thousand in cash in a safe at home - from anecdotal reports.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Wed Jun 20th, 2012 at 08:15:39 AM EST
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Yes, but captured money doesn't circulate, it sits.

but there's still the same amount out there.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jun 20th, 2012 at 08:40:40 AM EST
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In the absence of new loans, as old loans are retired, the money supply, (e.g. M2), will shrink. It is largely the cut-off of new loans at a crisis point that produces the contraction.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Wed Jun 20th, 2012 at 09:18:13 AM EST
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which implies that M2 is not a measure of the amount of money in existence, but only captures money when it moves.

As I say, wealth capture immobilizes money, but it's still there. Sitting, usually offshore and untaxed, or languishing in asset appreciation, be that gold or land.

the diminishment of M2 may describe the recession, but is blind to where the missing money went. Kinda like that recent analysis of average wealth in the US which conveniently ignored the richest 400 people, or 60% of the private wealth of the US.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jun 20th, 2012 at 09:31:54 AM EST
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captured money doesn't circulate, it sits.

A lot of it, just now, as US Treasuries paying almost nothing.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Wed Jun 20th, 2012 at 09:24:08 AM EST
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That I don't understand. The US government certainly spends the money it borrows. You may say that most isn't spent wisely, but it is most definitely spent.
by oliver on Thu Jun 21st, 2012 at 10:30:02 AM EST
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