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retrograde: Of or relating to the orbital revolution or axial rotation of a planetary or other celestial body that moves clockwise from east to west,, in the direction opposite to most celestial bodies.

As in the axial rotations of Venus,Uranus and Pluto.

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by Gringo (stargazing camel at aoldotcom) on Sat Jun 23rd, 2012 at 11:24:00 PM EST
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OK, true. You can define North in relation to the angular momentum of the solar system (or the galaxy, though that gets slightly impractical), rather than the local body.

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by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sun Jun 24th, 2012 at 04:25:08 AM EST
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Right, so ``the Sun rises in the East'' means ``the angular momentum vectors of the earth about the sun and about itself are roughly parallel'', where ``roughly parallel'' means their inner product is positive.

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Jun 24th, 2012 at 04:32:52 AM EST
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You can define...

In the scenario I outlined there would be no me or 'you' left to define anything, but, doubtless, the laws of physics would still prevail.

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by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sun Jun 24th, 2012 at 09:18:19 AM EST
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In the scenario I outlined there would be no me or 'you' left to define anything...

Yes, I found the statement regarding "east" always being defined by direction of rotation humorous and a little presumptuous. In the event of a collision strong enough to reverse Earth's rotation it is unlikely living beings would be left to worry about which direction is geographical East, or West. Of course, I assume the discussion, being in the present but about the future, is hypothetical anyway.

Nevertheless, it is interesting that references to the retrograde rotation of those planets, that may have, in fact, had their axis of rotation reversed by collisions with other bodies, are described as currently having East to West rotation, not West to East as Jake's definition would imply. Rather confusing, I'd say (not to mention off subject).

I can swear there ain't no heaven but I pray there ain't no hell. _ Blood Sweat & Tears

by Gringo (stargazing camel at aoldotcom) on Sun Jun 24th, 2012 at 12:09:20 PM EST
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I was getting at the old "If a tree falls..." question. It would seem to me, who has never even taken a course in astronomy or astrophysics but has followed the field through Scientific American, etc., that a general direction of spin was established early in the evolution of our galaxy and, probably, most solar systems share that spin orientation. It appears that our present galaxy has absorbed numerous other galaxies over time and I would not be surprised if they all had a similar spin, all appearing to come from the same big bang and all. So a counter rotating exo-solar planet would be a very long shot. But a hit by something with the same or greater mass, even with the same spin, which is traveling with comperable velocity as our planet through the solar system, possibly significantly out of the ecliptic, could disperse enough of the Earth's mass into other orbits that there might not be a planet in the earth's position post impact. Naturally, there would be no humans.  

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Mon Jun 25th, 2012 at 09:55:36 PM EST
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