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Excellent, DoDo, as usual.

I would be interested in an article at some point about the relative economics of steep grades versus tunnels in high speed rail. The reason is that the corridor of immediate interest to me is the one between Colorado Springs and Denver. The old-time rail route bypasses a series of high hills, but when the Interstate highway was built they took a more direct route with a much more severe limiting grade. As a result of the new highway route, development since then has been largely in the highway corridor, so a passenger rail system would preferably follow that route.

I have not been able to find a profile drawing that shows the difficulty, but it is the 22 km section between Castle Rock (1897 m), Castle Pines (1999 m), and Lone Tree (1813 m) on this map. These elevations don't really give the whole story; there is a series of quite steep up-and-down grades on the highway route. The old rail route bypasses the region by heading along U.S. highway 85, northwest from Castle Rock to the Ken Caryl area and then into Denver.

I just noticed that Google Maps now shows the rail lines, using light gray lines with cross hatching if you zoom in close enough. You can see the two parallel rights-of-way in this area, (one built by the Denver and Rio Grande and one by the Santa Fe.

by asdf on Sun Jun 3rd, 2012 at 12:32:48 PM EST
by asdf on Sun Jun 3rd, 2012 at 12:33:43 PM EST
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hehe:
http://www.panoramio.com/photo_explorer#view=photo&position=177&with_photo_id=67345696&o rder=date_desc&user=6718700

(I presume your camera is fairly slow and the cars were moving forwards through the frame?)

by njh on Sun Jun 3rd, 2012 at 01:57:44 PM EST
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It's the focal plane shutter, if a film camera, or an artifact of how the sensor scanning works if a digital camera...
by asdf on Sun Jun 3rd, 2012 at 06:05:29 PM EST
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Large sensor digital cameras also have focal plane shutter causing this looks.

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Mon Jun 11th, 2012 at 05:52:09 AM EST
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I recall that the two routes are still used, one as an up and the other as a down.  And all that runs along them are mile long coal trains.
by njh on Sun Jun 3rd, 2012 at 01:54:18 PM EST
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Yes, that's right. It's MOSTLY coal trains, but there is also a fair amount of regular freight traffic, military traffic (tanks on flatcars), and the occasional circus train or special event passenger train.

by asdf on Sun Jun 3rd, 2012 at 06:09:17 PM EST
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If you think of intermediate stops on a 22 km section, then you think of high-speed rail only in the US sense ("Emerging HSR" and "Regional HSR"). Still, the 4% limit on European HSR lines is a good frame of reference if the line is to be electrified (if not, 2.5% is more like it). Checking Interstate Highway standards, the limit there is 6%, so if the Castle Rock-Castle Pines-Lone Tree section reaches that, you'll need at least earthen ramps/cuttings.

As for the economics of steep grades versus tunnels, huh. Too many factors!

  • Steep grades mean higher energy costs (even if electric trains use regenerative braking downhill).
  • Steep grades also mean longer travel times and thus less passengers and thus less revenue.
  • In urban areas, even if you build along a highway, noise is a concern, and you may need to build protection walls.
  • On the surface along a highway, you need to pass over or under highway exits or crossing roads.
  • Along a highway, lateral and vertical minimum curve radius also counts, the rail line may need to deviate from the highway at tight curves and sudden changes from negative to positive grades or vice versa.
  • Tunnel construction costs depend on geology.
  • Tunnel construction costs also depend on fire safety standards, especially for longer tunnels (which you also don't want if the line is not electrified).


*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun Jun 3rd, 2012 at 02:52:35 PM EST
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Right, on this stretch there would not have to be any stops. The issue would be the severe grades. I suppose you're right, though, that a true high speed train would more likely just follow the old grade, which is somewhat roundabout but not at all steep...
by asdf on Sun Jun 3rd, 2012 at 06:12:32 PM EST
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