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The bigger, and potentially unmanageable problem is the prospect of Spain/Italy becoming destabilised by a Greek exit. Germany, as the biggest beneficiary of the Euro has the most to lose from it's breakdown. Greece prospering after a Euro exit would be their nightmare scenario as it would provide all other member states in trouble or in disagreement with German Hegemony with a roadmap for exit. Index of Frank's Diaries
This is a pure morality play and if there's any strategy it's in the realm of base power and influence, not a cost and benefit analysis (if such a thing were possible or preferable - see this diary and comments) If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
FT Alphaville » When strategy is mistaken for stupidity, the curious case of eurozone politicians
At the heart of the crisis is a non-cooperative game taking place between policymakers (...) None of these parties want to see a catastrophe scenario for Europe unfold because nobody profits from it. But beyond that there are a range of possible outcomes in which the crisis is resolved in different ways, with the surplus (the gain from avoiding the catastrophe) shared in different ways. These parties are involved in repeated discussions (games) and we have to look for equilibrium strategies...
At the heart of the crisis is a non-cooperative game taking place between policymakers
(...)
None of these parties want to see a catastrophe scenario for Europe unfold because nobody profits from it. But beyond that there are a range of possible outcomes in which the crisis is resolved in different ways, with the surplus (the gain from avoiding the catastrophe) shared in different ways.
These parties are involved in repeated discussions (games) and we have to look for equilibrium strategies...
The writer postulates that, instead of being the idiots or blinkered ideologues they appear to be, certain players are engaged in reputation-building : FT Alphaville » (continued)
In particular, it could be beneficial for those representing either side in the game to take actions which look counter-productive in the short run in an attempt to convince the other players in the game that their preferences are more extreme than is actually the case, which in turn may lead the other players to rationally choose a strategy and therefore an equilibrium which favours the player who sought to build a reputation. Were these stratagems being played out in the current crisis it would not be a surprise for market participants to believe that policymakers somehow `didn't get it' or were `behind the curve'.
i.e. brinksmanship leading to a compromise. It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
Here's Hugo Dixon in praise of brinksmanship:
Cutting off Greece's life support could be the trigger for reintroducing the drachma as the people found the cash machines ran dry. But it could also finally force the people to decide whether they were prepared to back reform - provided the euro zone simultaneously rolled out a proper plan to help the country.
There are too many institutional self interests tied up with preserving some semblance of the current status quo, and sufficient institutional players whose interests require a resolution of the worst of our current problems. It won't be pretty, no one will be playing nice. But I see the EU developing positively despite it all - to the ultimate benefit of a large majority of its citizens.
Call me an irrational optimist. Or perhaps an optimist seeking rationality where there is little or none. But I would be profoundly sad at seeing any EU member forced out, or any significant group being marginalised by the power plays currently in motion. Governments lose power when the lose the support of their people, but tend to be replaced by Governments not all that different. I don't think any German Government could survive having been seen to do serious damage to the EU. Call me an optimist. Index of Frank's Diaries
Yeah, well, Max Planck said that A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it. Similarly, the current generation of leaders will eventually step down from power and later die off. The Long Depression of the late 19th century did come to an end after 23 years. I find no consolation in the knowledge that, sociologically, at some point in the future things will be different from the way they are now if only because all the people currently alive will have passed on.
Keynes also said economists set themselves too easy a task if all they say is that once the storm is passed the sea will be calm again. So I won't call you an optimist, I'll call you an economist :P If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
I've been called many things, but no one has ever gone so low as to call me an economist...:-) Index of Frank's Diaries
Unfortunately, at that point the guillotines tend to come out.
- Jake If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.
reality that does not conform to paradigm can be forced into the paradigm... up to a point.
Daily Kos: "Human are like rats and cockroaches": the coming feudalism
you can't map an infinite plane onto a Euclidean solid.
a grimly fascinating diary and comments over at lucifer's orangerie.
i feel we're caught in a hostage flick, and the takers are about to shoot greece, with the excuse that the food's running out, and we didn't grovel before our masters low enough, or send the ransom of our first-born with sufficient alacrity.
more virgins, stat!
the world gazes in zombie sorrow, paralysed by an ignorance too deep to fathom, and cheap microwaved popcorn.
i'm hoping when they toss greece's body in the trash, there will be a spasm of worldwide revulsion at the epically heartless and inane pretzel logic that puts banker profits above the real 'wealth of nations'. "It's very hard to see what is kept invisible" Roseanne Barr
You continue to think there's a rational explanation to all this
jim jones' followers all felt drinking his koolaide was a rational thing to do.
that's the power of ideation over reason. garbage in, garbage out. "It's very hard to see what is kept invisible" Roseanne Barr
Germany, as the biggest beneficiary of the Euro has the most to lose from it's breakdown. Greece prospering after a Euro exit would be their nightmare scenario as it would provide all other member states in trouble or in disagreement with German Hegemony with a roadmap for exit.
Come on, Greece is not Ireland is not Portugal is not Spain is not Italy is not France have cooties. Who's going to want to join an alternative currency union to the DM? If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
In practice, if you possess the requisite political will to cut hostile hedge fundies off at the knees then you have plenty of other tools with which to do so.
Maybe you need tame rating agencies who rate, by rule, your currency at the highest possible level. Which we used to have in the U.S. until recently...
The central banker controls the printing press, the financial regulator controls the rules for extending credit, and the treasury controls the aggregate level of demand. If your macroeconomic policy depends on the approbation of the ratings agencies to attain its objectives, then you're doing it wrong.
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