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The decision by the Irish government to guarantee all bank liabilities in 2008 - easily the single biggest factor in Ireland's current crisis - was taken to please whom, if not City creditors?

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by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sun Jul 15th, 2012 at 04:17:08 AM EST
An inquiry into this, would you believe, has yet to be held, and there appears to be an absence of a paper trail surrounding the key decisions made. The late Brian Lenihan was a key figure in all this, and as he died bravely and tragically early from cancer whilst still in office, there may be some reluctance, in political circles, to be seen to be dancing on his grave.

However the basic outline which emerged appears to be that the main Irish banks convinced the Irish Government (and perhaps themselves) that they had a liquidity rather than an insolvency problem, and thus that all that was needed was a Government guarantee to restore "confidence". Brian Lenihan even boasted that it would be the cheapest bank guarantee of all time as the banks had to pay a substantial levy in return for the guarantee.

The main mistake that was made, presumably also at the behest of the Irish banks, was that the guarantee was extended from depositors to bondholders, and this is where the huge costs have arisen. However even that mistake might have been academic, becuase Merkel/the Troika then insisted that all banks be covered - even those loke the Anglo-Irish Bank which was never covered by the bank guarantee and which was never more than a developer/speculator bank with no retail presence.

The populist fearmongering about the ATM's not working simply could not have applied to Anglo Irish, and so why it wasn't simply liquidated is beyond me - and problem exclusively down to Merkel/ECB pressure, with the ECB threatening to withhold all funding for the mainstream banks - which would have caused an immediate banking meltdown.

So the argument runs - the politicians were misled/panicked by the Irish banks - who lived in a delusional world of soft landings for property prices - and then had to "take one for the team" in the shape of heading off a broader Euro area crisis that a bank collapse in Ireland might have caused. However Merkel et al have shown virtually no gratitude for Irish taxpayers being made liable for her banks poor lending decisions, and there is some sense of betrayal by some of the politicians involved.

The only logic I have seen adduced for making Irish taxpayers liable for the losses of private lending institutions is that the Irish bank regulator was asleep on the job and should have stopped this from happening. However much of the frenzy of speculation involved banks lending to each other on the back of property deals in Canary Warf and elsewhere outside Ireland which may not even have been within the Irish bank regulators remit. You cannot have the EU encouraging light touch regulations and a single market for financial transactions if there isn't then also some semblance of EU regulation of that market. Given these transactions involved both lenders and borrowers, where were the German, French and British bank regulators?

The bottom line is that in a single market for financial services, the notion of an "Irish" bank rapidly disappears, and the location of the HQ is somewhat incidental. So the bigger failure, I would argue, was not actually the bank guarantee (stupid as it was), but a much greater failure of European single market regulation and co-responsibility. Given that Spain is now being put through a process almost identical to Ireland, it appears that few lessons have been learned from the Irish experience. So long as the ECB won't allow banks to fail within Europe, someone has to pick up the tab, and in a single market, that can only be the ECB or some EU wide bank resolution mechanism and fund.

So its easy to blame inexperienced Irish politicians with hindsight (Brian Lenihan was a lawyer and there were NO ECONOMISTS employed by the Irish Department of Finance), but given that there were few precedents at the time, no European rescue mechanisms in place at that time, and given that few lessons have been learned by others in the meantime, perhaps their culpability was not as great as it seemed in the immediate aftermath of the bank guarantee. Some involved still argue they had no choice at the time if they were to avert an almost immediate and total melt-down of the Irish banking system, and Ireland, t that stage, had too much invested in the system to risk calling the ECB's bluff.  If the ECB persists in its policy of not allowing banks to fail, the issue of the bank guarantee becomes almost academic.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Sun Jul 15th, 2012 at 07:55:20 AM EST
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I can't see that we can blame the ECB for what was done in 2008, quite honestly, this is rewriting history on the basis of what happened in the past 2 years.

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by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Mon Jul 16th, 2012 at 04:05:24 AM EST
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I think Frank is saying that in 2010 the ECB insisted that Anglo-Irish Bank be included under the conditions of the bailout even though it was not part of the blanket guarantee in 2008.

If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jul 16th, 2012 at 04:30:23 AM EST
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A ret con very popular in Ireland.
by IM on Mon Jul 16th, 2012 at 05:11:25 AM EST
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I strongly suspect - though since there has been no comprehensive account of what happened it's very hard to be sure - that the message from Europe was that no EU bank should be allowed fail and burn its creditors. At the time, fear of contagion seems to have ruled EU-level decision making, and the theory seems to  have been that a failure of an Irish bank could cascade through the system.

The choice of the insanely stupid bank guarantee scheme seems to have been largely down to the Irish government and their professional advisors and the banks but the sensible options, such as killing the banks and resurrecting the utility parts were effectively closed off by European requirements.

By "Europe" here, I don't necessarily mean formal action of any of the institutions.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Jul 16th, 2012 at 05:29:43 AM EST
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Except that there was actually informal action by the institutions, in the sense that it was discussed at various points behind closed doors, and rejected.

See today's salon.

Of course, the senior bondholders of 4 years ago may well have offloaded their bonds on the public sector or the ECB by now...

If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jul 16th, 2012 at 05:33:32 AM EST
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Goodbody - Morning Wrap
Has the ECB changed its tune?
Is burden sharing with senior bank bondholders back on the agenda? Reports in the Wall Street Journal over the weekend suggest a major U-turn on this policy from the European Central Bank. According to the piece ECB President Draghi articulated the position at last week's EcoFin meeting when discussing options for the recapitalisation of the Spanish banking system, with such a policy only to be employed when a bank is pushed into liquidation. It is reported that the proposal was rejected by finance ministers in the interests of financial stability.

If the story is true it will not go down too well in Ireland. During the original negotiations on Ireland's programme Irish officials argued for burden-sharing with senior bondholders to ease the cost to the taxpayer. This was flatly rejected by the ECB in particular. Recently, the ECB has publicly stated that such a policy was insisted upon to protect against spill over into other Irish and European banks. Although Draghi has had a very different style to that of Trichet since he became ECB President, this would represent a very fundamental shift and one that would have very important ramifications.


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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Mon Jul 16th, 2012 at 12:10:46 PM EST
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Wait, Draghi takes part in the EcoFin?

So Central Bank Independence does not preclude collaboration with the fiscal authorities?

If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jul 16th, 2012 at 12:13:06 PM EST
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I thought Trichet and Draghi spent their lives telling the fiscal authorities what to do whilst doing nothing themselves about bank regulation, supervision and resolution which are arguably closer to a normal central bank's remit.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Mon Jul 16th, 2012 at 12:19:28 PM EST
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But it has become clear that the ECB was only in charge of monetary policy and price stability, and even now they still don't want the job of bank supervisor.

If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jul 16th, 2012 at 12:21:55 PM EST
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In other words, the ECB wants the easy job of controlling inflation, and doesn't want to have to do any real work in the real world of banking supervision and economic management. That is a big problem for the Eurozone. But what galls me is that the ECB then has the hubris to lecture elected European Governments on what they should be doing as regards fixing problems best managed within by a functioning central bank.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Mon Jul 16th, 2012 at 12:57:39 PM EST
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I had gotten the impression, based on numerous diaries, cited journalism and comments, that a major concern of the ECB WRT Irish bank failures was the effect on European, especially German, banks who were holders of Irish debt. Irish banks, collectively, were the first European domino to be set teetering after Lehman. The City was the other major financial center to be put at risk, but, as Britain did not belong to the Euro, was not a priority with the ECB. Propping up the Irish banks bought European banks time to distance themselves and better prepare, to the extent possible, for any necessary write-offs, which are only now beginning to be discussed as a possible necessity.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Mon Jul 16th, 2012 at 12:41:23 PM EST
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this is rewriting history on the basis of what happened in the past 2 years.

No.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Jul 16th, 2012 at 05:30:47 AM EST
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What makes you say that?

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by Antoni Jaume on Mon Jul 16th, 2012 at 06:31:37 AM EST
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Because it was clear pretty quickly that the Irish governments freedom to act was constrained from the beginning. By the ECB, by the Commission, by other member states. All in informal, behind closed door and confidential discussions.

Which, again, doesn't mean they should have picked the most stupid option available but made picking the best options much more difficult, if not impossible.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Jul 16th, 2012 at 07:16:48 AM EST
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Nobody is denying that the bank guarantee, and particularly its extension to bondholders, was a mistake,and the only question is why that decision was taken. The Dail is in the procress of setting up an enquiry into this, although that is likely to be an exercise of the current Government parties seeking to blame the previous Government for everything that has happened since.

There were extensive consultations with the ECB at the time,and perhaps the truth of what transpired will soon come out. However what is indisputable is that the ECB subsequently insisted that the guarantee be extended even to banks such as Anglo Irish which were not covered by the Government guarantee, and that the ECB was vehemently opposed to any bondholders being burned - as repeatedly proposed by the Irish Government and opposition parties.

The threat the ECB used was to withdraw all liquidity support from the mainstream Irish banks which would have led to an immediate implosion of the Irish Banking system as they owed the ECB 100's of Billions at various stages. The fact that, even now, the ECB refuses to allow failed banks be liquidated and is applying a similar policy in Spain indicates that what the Irish Government did was fully in line with ECB policy both then and now.

Indeed the ECB has consistently insisted on a much broader bail-out of banks and their bondholders than ever advocated by any Irish Government, party, or indeed the IMF. So you can blame the Irish Government for caving in to ECB pressure in 2008 if you like - I certainly did. But the bigger issue is the lack of a rational bank regulation and resolution process within the single market as a whole, and for you to try to exonerate the ECB and the EU more generally for this lack of a Eurozone wide supervision, regulation, and resolution process is to me the bigger cop-out.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Mon Jul 16th, 2012 at 08:58:36 AM EST
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>So you can blame the Irish Government for caving in to ECB pressure in 2008 if you like<

Hold on. That is a legend, if a popular one. It backdates event from late 2010 to 2008.

In 2008 the famous guarantee was very much a surprise and a nasty surprise to the rest of europe.

by IM on Mon Jul 16th, 2012 at 09:48:59 AM EST
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It was certainly a surprise to many citizens in Ireland as well - came out of the blue to most - but whether it was a surprise to, or in fact required by the ECB we will probably only find out if the enquiry digs out the documents and testimony of the period. The shock for many was that the supposedly safe banks of the poster child economy in Europe were in such trouble.

But I think we are losing sight of the bigger picture here: Even if the Irish Government acted totally alone and without reference to the ECB at the time, the ECB subsequently insisted on a far wider guarantee and protection of bondholders than the Irish Government wanted - and insists to this day, for instance, that the Anglo Irish promissory notes be paid in full - even though the bank is long since defunct.

If it was a mistake in 2008 for the Irish Government to guarantee 2 Banks - when few precedents and no EU supports existed - how much greater a mistake is it for the ECB to insist on even more comprehensive guarantees in 2012, with all the benefit of hindsight they now should have?

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Mon Jul 16th, 2012 at 10:09:40 AM EST
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"If it was a mistake in 2008 for the Irish Government to guarantee 2 Banks"

Isn't that a conflation, too?

As far as I understand all banks or all deposits were guaranteed.

This whole pillar bank concept didn't exist until much later.

by IM on Mon Jul 16th, 2012 at 12:38:42 PM EST
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Best link I can find is: this RTÉ one.

All the main banks were covered, including Anglo.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Jul 16th, 2012 at 12:50:00 PM EST
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All Irish owned banks and all deposits up to €100k were covered, but the vast majority of deposits were with the Big two - Allied Irish Bank and Bank of Ireland. Anglo-Irish Bank had virtually no retail presence and the others were building societies - basically retail operations heavily exposed to the private housing market.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Mon Jul 16th, 2012 at 01:09:25 PM EST
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"The guarantee also covers all money borrowed by Irish banks from other financial institutions and the statement from the Department of Finance says all deposits, bonds and debt will be covered by the State."
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Jul 16th, 2012 at 01:11:02 PM EST
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We know that the ECB has nakedly threatened to crash the payment system of any country that put any bank through ordinary bankruptcy or defaulted on any sovereign bond. It is not unreasonable to assume that this observed behaviour goes back some time before it was first observed in the public record.

In point of fact, it would be highly curious if it had appeared out of nowhere and been documented on first occurance.

I would also like to note in passing that if crashing a national banking system in retaliation for refusing to impose a partisan fiscal agenda does not count as a coup d'etat under current law, then it fucking well should.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sun Jul 22nd, 2012 at 09:44:47 AM EST
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Irish bank owners and managers?

If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Jul 15th, 2012 at 11:28:46 AM EST
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Managers mainly as the share ownership was widely dispersed amongst Irish people and pension funds. Many retiing people were encouraged to put their retirement nest-eggs into bank shares - safe as houses - and as seems to be the case in Spain. Ministers would have been cognisant that, besides forming an oversized  part of the economy, huge numbers of their constituents would have had small shareholdings in the banks and they were a core component of many Irish pension funds. The conservative urge to shore up that position would therefore have been very strong - especially if persuaded that the problem was basically one of liquidity.

However extending Government support beyond the guaranteed retail "Pillar banks" was, I suspect, v. much at the behest of the ECB.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Sun Jul 15th, 2012 at 01:24:30 PM EST
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