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Of course, this changes completely when you introduce the agent-principal problem. Suddenly it might be a good idea for you to do or buy stuff, even if it's bad for your employer or employers (such as the people who's money you are managing). This means extremely tough regulation is required to deal with this problem.
But regulations are communism, dontcherknow? Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
I'm considering the Management the principals in this case.
Once the management takes over from the owners they're the ones that set the skewed incentives for the staff. If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
So regulations can blow things up too ! Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères
OTC ("over-the-counter", bespoke transactions between two named counterparties as opposed to anonymous standarised transactions on an exchage) is not going away. Instead, clearing houses are being set up as "central counterparties" to mutualise credit risk while the casino roars on. Other than that, full cash collateralisation is becoming the norm, and giving rise to a black hole that will suck all the liquidity that Central Banks care to throw at the banking sector. If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
In other words, they were pricing these things based upon magic?
No, they're pricing these things based upon faith.
Markets quantify collective faith in the future. That's all they do.
They also reward the faithful and those who inspire faith, and punish those who are deemed to be destroyers of financial faith.
The whole thing is really quite medieval - which is why there's no point expecting it to make rational sense.
the half-life of dead-cat market bounces
Oh so the cat is radioactive? Schrödinger's? So can you be sure it's dead? It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
- Jake If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.
...a professional credit rater has told his superiors that he needs to examine the mortgage loan files to evaluate the risk of a complex financial derivative whose risk and market value depend on the credit quality of the nonprime mortgages "underlying" the derivative. A senior manager sends a blistering reply with this forceful punctuation: Any request for loan level tapes is TOTALLY UNREASONABLE!!! Most investors don't have it and can't provide it. [W]e MUST produce a credit estimate. It is your responsibility to provide those credit estimates and your responsibility to devise some method for doing so.
Any request for loan level tapes is TOTALLY UNREASONABLE!!! Most investors don't have it and can't provide it. [W]e MUST produce a credit estimate. It is your responsibility to provide those credit estimates and your responsibility to devise some method for doing so.
When the economy is in an overall Ponzi Finance position, faith is required to make it keep going a little bit longer before the bubble bursts. I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.
The financial sector was itching to securitise its mortgages to evade capital adecuacy requirements, but there was not a liquid market for the securitised assets because they could not be priced. Li's formula, by enabling pricing, made the market possible.
And once you are over the edge of financial prudence, there's plenty of immediate pain if you listen to critics who call for a return to financial prudence. Shying away from that immediate pain then stores up pain to be experienced in the future ~ with interest. I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.
Not entirely. Lots of houses, machines, installations and so on were actually created. Not in the most optimal way perhaps, but they were created. The problem now is that we for some reason feel we must punish ourselves for the previous madness by idling a considerable fraction of our productive capacity, possibly to make people feel better, or something. Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
The problem now is that we for some reason feel we must punish ourselves for the previous madness...
The hangover theory, then, turns out to be intellectually incoherent; nobody has managed to explain why bad investments in the past require the unemployment of good workers in the present. Yet the theory has powerful emotional appeal. Usually that appeal is strongest for conservatives, who can't stand the thought that positive action by governments (let alone--horrors!--printing money) can ever be a good idea. Some libertarians extol the Austrian theory, not because they have really thought that theory through, but because they feel the need for some prestigious alternative to the perceived statist implications of Keynesianism. And some people probably are attracted to Austrianism because they imagine that it devalues the intellectual pretensions of economics professors. But moderates and liberals are not immune to the theory's seductive charms--especially when it gives them a chance to lecture others on their failings.
It's one of the pitfalls of the equality myth which has it that we are all equal and therefore belong to a classless society.
Derivatives, I have been told, are a form of insurance. Ever since I understood that there existed derivatives that are too complex to be understood intuitively (late 90s?) I postulated that they couldn't be creating value. This was merely intuitive, but now I think I understand why this is true.
Insofar as insurance is a matter of paying a more or less arbitrary price to hedge a specific risk, complex derivatives are not insurance, but a form of gambling : about as economically useful as Chinese people gambling on the outcome of third-division European football matches. i.e. useful to the bookmaker, and/or those who are in a position to fix the outcome. It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
useful to the bookmaker, and/or those who are in a position to fix the outcome.
"It's a joke that we're in markets like this," said [Saint Etienne municipal finance director Cedric] Grail, 38, from the 19th-century city hall fronted by an arched facade and the words Liberte, Egalite, Fraternite. "We're playing the dollar against the Swiss franc until 2042." ... "This is speculating in the hopes of gain," said Peter Shapiro, managing director at Swap Financial Group LLC, in South Orange, New Jersey, an adviser to companies and governments. "The investor is taking a chance in hopes of a high return. It has nothing to do with hedging." ... "These municipal swaps are the same thing as Greece," said [Saint-Germain-en-Laye city council member Emmanuel] Fruchard, a former banker at Credit Lyonnais, now a unit of Credit Agricole SA, who designed swaps in the early 1990s. "It's all trying to dress up your accounts." ... "It's like Easter eggs," said [Pforzheim's former budget director] Weishaar, 45, who holds a degree in math and economics from the University of Ulm. "You want to buy one and somebody sells you a painted hand grenade instead."
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"This is speculating in the hopes of gain," said Peter Shapiro, managing director at Swap Financial Group LLC, in South Orange, New Jersey, an adviser to companies and governments. "The investor is taking a chance in hopes of a high return. It has nothing to do with hedging."
"These municipal swaps are the same thing as Greece," said [Saint-Germain-en-Laye city council member Emmanuel] Fruchard, a former banker at Credit Lyonnais, now a unit of Credit Agricole SA, who designed swaps in the early 1990s. "It's all trying to dress up your accounts."
"It's like Easter eggs," said [Pforzheim's former budget director] Weishaar, 45, who holds a degree in math and economics from the University of Ulm. "You want to buy one and somebody sells you a painted hand grenade instead."
nsofar as insurance is a matter of paying a more or less arbitrary price to hedge a specific risk, complex derivatives are not insurance, but a form of gambling : about as economically useful as Chinese people gambling on the outcome of third-division European football matches. i.e. useful to the bookmaker, and/or those who are in a position to fix the outcome.
This seems a very good way of looking at it to me. As Migeru has noted, the big impetus for a lot of this was to get around capital adequacy requirements. i.e. The bookmaker (bank) gained from having the bets occur - the outcome was almost irrelevant - except that things in the economy reached the point where the "book" blew up and what was a "house wins either way as well as doing business" turned into a "house loss."
Assuming credit risk away is a tremendous reduction in information processing overhead ~ just as tossing away the video part of a Youtube clip is a tremendous reduction in the information load of processing a Youtube stream. I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.
Therefore, you cannot have liquid markets or tracking portfolios for credit risk.
Securitization - should it be legal in any form?
And speaking of the agent/principal problem, should professional managers of other people's money be allowed to exist? If they're just going to invent stuff, counterfeit, swindle and defraud their clients and the public without endless supervision and consistently inadequate regulation, why not just ban the profession entirely?
And, as we know from historical experience with the imaginative ways to evade usury bans, just making these things illegal doesn't mean they will go away. That's, after all, what the shadow banking system is. And it hasn't gone away. If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
That is, if I make a contract with a professional assassin to kill someone I don't like, and said assassin fails to perform, I don't think I can take them to court and sue them for breach of contract.
I suppose what I'm trying to get at with that question is, what positive case can be made for derivatives and securities? Do the positive goods that they provide to society outweigh the various troubles, mischiefs, and economic destruction that they create? And such, are they worth keeping around?
What would a world without them look like, and in what ways would that world be better, or worse?
I think of it in a similar manner to nuclear power. There are benefits to be had, costs to be paid, and risks of catastrophic disaster. Do the risks of catastrophic disaster render the entire activity more of a bother than its worth?
Who buys these things, how much are they really going to risk to buy them, and how capable are they of defending themselves given the lack of state support? What classes of poor and disenfranchised people would truly suffer from a prohibition on securities and derivatives?
In my uninformed opinion, these are the playthings of the rich, and the rich have a lot to lose. As such, they tend to steer clear of seriously illegal activities. Who faces a truly compelling need to purchase a CDO, such that they would turn to the mob-brokers to buy one?
The fact that some economists have been able to publish a lot of papers about some of the interesting mathematical qualities regarding the parameters of these otherwise boring contracts does not change the fact that derivatives are just insurance policies and if some of the parameters in such contracts were forbidden by law, other legal language would soon evolve to provide the same guarantees to each counter-party that they have been able to get from the language in today's so-called derivatives contracts.
The insurance industry is heavily regulated already because ripoffs can occur so easily, but no one has ever suggested banning it because risk mitigation through private insurance contracts really is valuable to people -- income smoothing is really helpful in a multitude of circumstances and that is all that derivatives do regardless of the fact that sometimes insurers get too speculative on their end and run into trouble.
Now, the real question is whether there are some parameters in current derivatives contracts that are so beneficial that we wouldn't want to change that, and the answer is, yes, just like there are benefits to people to securitizing the shares of private firms to allow them to be sold to others. The benefit comes largely in the form of increased transparency, which prevents people from ripping each other off by benefiting from what economists call information asymmetry. Markets do that -- or, rather, the set of rules that allows markets to exist do that. So it just makes more sense to fix a few of the rules in a way that resolves some of the problems in insurance contracting and accounting that allow for scams and catastrophes of the kind we've recently seen.
Often banks suggest that buying a derivative on the side is a condition for access to funding or credit. In fact, often the banks will encourage that the client sell the bank an option. That's not how insurance works. If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
That doesn't mean that there aren't any shenanigans going on that need correction, banning, or even prosecution. But the concept of requiring insurance, of which derivatives are a subset, is a pretty reasonable practice and generally a good idea.
It makes sense for banks to require counterparties to take on derivatives to reduce the counterparty's exposure. This means the bank sells protection to the nonfinancial counterparty, and it's the bank's job to hedge, distribute, the resulting risk in the financial markets. That's not what has been done. Counterparties have been encouraged to sell protection to the bank, or equivelently, to take on additional risks in order to reduce the headline borrowing costs, often with assurances of the kind of "what can possibly go wrong?". If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
"It's a joke that we're in markets like this," said [Saint Etienne municipal finance director Cedric] Grail, 38, from the 19th-century city hall fronted by an arched facade and the words Liberte, Egalite, Fraternite. "We're playing the dollar against the Swiss franc until 2042."
But they are not: banks were buying exotic options from nonfinancial counterparties in exchange for lowering the headline borrowing costs of the counterparties by a few basis points. As you know, the seller of an option (in this case, not the bank) overwhelmingly bears the risk.
We're not talking about vanilla interest rate swaps here. If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
Most "exotic" derivatives fall into this category.
Most derivatives are simple gambling - and clearly so. There is no upside, and no 'good' there.
Bankrupt and publicly humiliate anyone who works in finance and is found guilty of scamming of any kind.
Set up stocks in front of Canary Wharf. Give the public an opportunity to tell scammers and corrupt bankers what they think of them.
Most derivatives are simply contracts between counter-parties that control for risk. Such contracts benefit from the liquidity provided by the development of a market for risk-taking speculators, but such speculation is only problematic where people are dishonestly engaged in classic insurance scams, which means that it is the dishonesty that is the problem, not the practice of insuring oneself in financial contracts.
Most derivatives are simply contracts between counter-parties that control for risk.
Nonsense.
And clearly nonsense.
The truth - as you well know, and everyone here knows - is that the true purpose of most financial instruments is either simple gambling or dishonest risk camouflage.
The reality is that risk remains resolutely uncontrolled, and ultimately - so we're told - is so uncontrolled it has to be back-stopped by governments.
Reduced to dull old Internet ad hominems, eh? Excellent.
Incidentally, you're quite wrong if you really think I have no knowledge of CFDs or derivatives from the consumer side.
But - whatever.
Do you have statistics on that? Most of the derivatives I see "in the real world" are with between a financial and a nonfinacial. Or things like a financial getting in between a financial and a nonfinancial to take over the financial's credit risk exposure to the nonfinancial from an existing derivative contract. If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
What would you call derivatives marketed to retail banking customers? Investment products, insurance, or scams? If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
Where they are marketed without equal understanding of the risks and true costs among all counter-parties, the possibility of scams occurs and should be guarded against by regulation targeting such activity, like all other forms of insurance fraud that is already supposed to be policed.
Yes, and in this instance I'm talking about "retail banking customers", not about the public sector "toxic loans" referred to above. If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
Just google "retail structured product distribution" and weep...
This one from 2003: Retail derivatives made simple
Fashion has hemlines, ecology has climate, finance has derivatives. In each case eminent industry participants form time to time rail against the evil inherent in the present state of the relevant topic. In the case of derivatives, these tirades are usually delivered by eminent, albeit senior, members of the finance community ...
These outpourings do not create the ideal environment in which to advocate the widespread distribution of derivatives to retail investors...
This one from just this year: Why structured products might benefit from the FSA's Retail Distribution Review (Risk.net, 15 May 2012)
Implementation of the UK Financial Services Authority's Retail Distribution Review (RDR) will be costly for independent financial advisers (IFAs) but will make structured products more attractive to investors, according to market participants. ... "The shape of business is going to change, but from a client perspective it will make products more attractive," says Adrian Neave, managing director at distributor Gilliat Financial Solutions in London. "The 3% usually paid for commission will now be used to increase the coupon on products." ... "More IFAs have been asking us for training in structures that they are less familiar or comfortable with, which should only serve to increase their confidence in recommending them. We have seen some advisers who hadn't previously used structured products starting to use them in client portfolios after having training, which allayed their concerns or filled gaps in their knowledge," he says.
"The shape of business is going to change, but from a client perspective it will make products more attractive," says Adrian Neave, managing director at distributor Gilliat Financial Solutions in London. "The 3% usually paid for commission will now be used to increase the coupon on products."
"More IFAs have been asking us for training in structures that they are less familiar or comfortable with, which should only serve to increase their confidence in recommending them. We have seen some advisers who hadn't previously used structured products starting to use them in client portfolios after having training, which allayed their concerns or filled gaps in their knowledge," he says.
"The FSA has proposed the question as: 'Is it better to receive bad advice or no advice?' and it has decided it is best to receive no advice," says Simon Gleeson, partner at law firm Clifford Chance in London. The RDR will cut the majority of the UK market from financial advice of any kind, says Gleeson. "Distributors are looking to change the regulatory classification of their activity from advice to discretion. At that point, it becomes possible to invest in products that you wouldn't be able to invest in under RDR," says Gleeson. On the basis that discretionary managers do not have to comply with the regulatory framework set out in RDR, some of them will be able to take investor funds without disclosing the type of structures that the investors would be exposed to.
Now, why would the Belgian regulator have imposed a moratorium on retail structured products, if they hadn't been abused in the past? Belgium's moratorium on retail structured products dissected (Risk.net, 29 Aug 2011)
When Belgian regulator the Financial Services and Markets Authority's (FSMA) issued its moratorium on the distribution of `needlessly complex' products in June, it came as little surprise to market participants, many of whom see the moratorium as broadly replicating the stringent regulatory measures being applied elsewhere in Europe. "The moratorium has definitely been inspired by regulation in other countries, especially France," says Benedict Peeters, founding partner at Finvex, a structured products research boutique in Brussels. But while French regulation excludes capital-protected products, the Belgian moratorium includes protected solutions, says Peeters. The fact that most structured products offered in Belgium include capital protection means "it is ultimately those investors that the moratorium is trying to protect," he says. "From the preparatory work, it became clear that it should be possible to impose restrictive conditions on certain products, particularly where their complexity renders them unsuited to the average retail investor," says an FSMA spokesperson in Brussels. The moratorium constitutes the first step in a process intended to "increase the traceability" of retail investment products, he says.
"The moratorium has definitely been inspired by regulation in other countries, especially France," says Benedict Peeters, founding partner at Finvex, a structured products research boutique in Brussels. But while French regulation excludes capital-protected products, the Belgian moratorium includes protected solutions, says Peeters. The fact that most structured products offered in Belgium include capital protection means "it is ultimately those investors that the moratorium is trying to protect," he says.
"From the preparatory work, it became clear that it should be possible to impose restrictive conditions on certain products, particularly where their complexity renders them unsuited to the average retail investor," says an FSMA spokesperson in Brussels. The moratorium constitutes the first step in a process intended to "increase the traceability" of retail investment products, he says.
Most European countries' laws do not provide consumers with the extensive kinds of protections from debt collection that consumers enjoy in the US, so care should be taken to enhance such protections in order to replace the perceived value consumers may be finding in such derivative products, if they are in fact so common.
AIG provided an instructive case in point.
When you let neoliberal or Austrian ideologues or common sense conservatives or gold bugs write your laws, you may end up with no insurer of last resort. On which, see the Eurozone. If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
While adverse selection is indeed a non-trivial problem in credit risk and actuarial models of default, the statistical evidence is quite strong that the correlation between insurance and defaults is sufficiently weak to allow for gains by insuring against default.
Note that it is the lender, and the lender's investors, who are insuring against default, not the borrower. This is even the case where a lender requires the borrower to effectively insure oneself against one's own default because a borrower bears no risk of loss in case of default: The borrower already received the benefits when the loan was disbursed, so only the lender bears the risk of loss from the point the loan was made until it is repaid.
There hasn't been a "financial innovation" since the ATM which hasn't been about finding technically legal ways to skirt prudential regulation. The technicalities really don't matter - being engaged in "financial innovation" is prima facie evidence of conspiracy to defraud the public.
Which means that simply making a - very short - whitelist of stuff banks are allowed to do would make it vastly more difficult to scam people, at no loss of anything important. Drowning the mark in impenetrable bafflegab that make the salesman look smart is a staple of confidence scams, and there is no good reason to give conmen in business suits that option.
I just don't think derivatives really fall into the category of financial innovation. Derivatives are merely particular specifications of insurance, which has been around a lot longer than ATMs, and there is nothing fundamentally wrong, or right, about derivatives that warrant them being treated any differently than the way insurance is already treated. Insurance fraud should be prohibited and policed, and the same standards for determining fraudulent practices versus legitimate practice should be applied to derivatives as well.
Derivatives are gambling.
For evidence that derivatives are gambling and not insurance, consider the fact that insurance is priced on actuarial principles on the basis of physical probabilities, whereas derivatives are priced on bookmaking principles on the basis of market probabilities. As discussed in the diary, incidentally. Maybe the diary is not too clear on this point, which would be a Fail™.
If a risk is not actuarial it's not insurable. If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
What you are arguing is that some things are legitimately insurable -- such as life expectancy -- and some things aren't, such as market price outcomes, which is an interesting argument, but not a convincing one. Probabilities are probabilities, so why shouldn't people who face costly market volatility risks be able to transfer, for a price, those risks on to gamblers who are willing to accept it?
As to:
Probabilities are probabilities
Regardless of whether risk can be reduced for all parties or even estimated correctly, it can still be reduced for one party by being transferred to another who is willing to accept the much higher chance of loss, even a loss that effectively means accepting a negative expected return -- gambling. If this wasn't the case, it would be mathematically impossible for casinos to remain profitable, would it not?
In such cases, yes, the wealth of the gambler must be high enough to be able to cover the event of loss without being catastrophic to the system, and that was not the case at the beginning of the credit crisis. In other words, the CDO market in 2007 didn't have an enforcer capable of kneecapping AIG and its investors to cover the losses, due to poor oversight by financial authorities. But that doesn't mean it can't work if such oversight and enforcement exists.
In addition, casino bets have limited downside and are skewed to the upside (for the players). In other words, you bet a given amount in hopes of a larger payoff. Or, in a more precise gambling analogy, you're required to post 100% margin (you have to put down your maximum loss for the current round of betting). Unregulated casinos where people can bet their house or can even make bets without having the money at the table are the stuff of mafia stories. If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
Put that way, it should kill the retail derivatives market stone dead. If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
I'm not saying that market price outcomes are not legitimately insurable. I'm saying that when neither party to a derivative contract has an exposure to the relevant market price outcome (that is, when both parties increase their exposure by entering the transaction) then it is not insurance. A case in point is the proposal to allow cashing of CDS payouts only on delivery of a defaulted bond. That allows people to gamble on CDS prices, but it only allows one to call it insurance if the CDS is actually buying protection against default. If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about lenders buying exotic derivatives from nonfinancial counterparties, which increases the exposure of the borrower to financial price risk. If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
Probabilities are probabilities, so why shouldn't people who face costly market volatility risks be able to transfer, for a price, those risks on to gamblers who are willing to accept it?
You don't need exotic derivatives to do that - you can do it with plain old forward contracts. What you need exotic derivatives for is turning credit risk into market risk, so you can hedge it. Which you should not do, because,
However, keep in mind that "exotic" just means customized, over the counter contract specific to a particular case. You often need them for the same reason that many other kinds of insurance contracts are specific to individual cases.
Credit risks are really only weakly correlated. Even in the worst of the current credit crisis, most loans are not being defaulted. Therefore they are easily insurable.
Last point I agree completely. This is the principal-agent problem, and it is aggravated by the fact, alluded to by Migeru, above, that lenders usually have better information than insurers and borrowers in these cases.
However, default derivatives, CDOs, are really only a very small part of the derivatives being done by financial organizations, and even less so today. Most of them are interest-rate derivatives unrelated to default, where risk is traded for interest payments and these have none of the problems you associate with default speculation.
I admit many "exotic" deals are simply bespoke non-toxic derivatives, but there are enough painted hand grenades out there masquerading as swaps. Sometimes an overexcited young heir fresh out of business school asks for a painted hand grenade suppository, too. If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
Credit risks are really only weakly correlated. Even in the worst of the current credit crisis, most loans are not being defaulted.
In my opinion the attraction of derivatives is that it allows everyone to play fast and loose with statutory solvency rules. For debtors, derivatives are non-debt funding (which is why municipalities and hospitals find themselves in the red over derivatives now - what the press has taken to callin "toxic loans"). Since Eurostat doesn't consider derivatives as debt, Greece was able to get around debt limits by entering into derivatives transactions with investment banks.
The real problem is the accounting of contingent liabilities (and assets), and the very existence of off-balance-sheet accounting. The problem is that derivatives make accountants' heads asplode, and therefore "Generally Accepted Accounting Practice" basically ignores derivatives. This means derivatives result in grossly undercapitalised positions, and therefore there's lots of money to be made by inflating derivative books. If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
Firms issue innovative securities for many reasons, but two of the most important are to escape the bite of taxes and regulation.
That work being mainly concerned with fixed income securities rather than derivatives pricing, the "innovative securities" mentioned are junk bonds, camouflaged foreign currency bonds and their sundry relatives. But the same basic criminal intent is obvious in exotic derivatives as well.
Derivatives are just a boring insurance policies, nothing more and nothing less -- a contract between private individuals that commits one party to something for other under various circumstances.
And the extent of my sympathy for suckers who decide to do so anyway is decidedly limited. Suckers will be separated from their money whatever legal protections you care to dream up.
If you need an example, as cigarettes and tobacco are increasingly regulated and taxed in the UK, so the volume of smuggling cigarettes and tobacco in from France has gone up.
So - people are always going to do hedging deal - delineate very simple hedges in regulated exchanges. For the rest, just remove court enforceability and FDIC backing etc. Let there be no question that if you invest in an institution that engages in complex derivatives, you will never be bailed out if they lose their shirt.
as cigarettes and tobacco are increasingly regulated and taxed in the UK, so the volume of smuggling cigarettes and tobacco in from France has gone up
As cigarettes and tobacco are increasingly regulated and taxed in France, so the volume of smuggling cigarettes and tobacco in from Belgium, Italy, Spain has gone up.
That's "competitiveness" for you...
You can securitize all you want, but if the result is not a security grade asset, and insurance companies and pension funds cannot by them, why bother?
The defense from smoke and mirrors and "the smartest men in the room" effect is simple rules. Simple rules like, no CDO based on derivatives can be rated as better than junk, and for CDO's composed entirely of original assets, the weighted average of the rating of the tiers of the CDO cannot be greater than the weighted average of the rating of the original assets generating its income. I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.
Remember, these variations were cooked up to slap virgin white paint on rotting and worthless debt.
They're only one possible way to do that. You can be sure that if you close one loophole the self-styled 'smartest men in the room' will start creating others.
A further step would be to require regulatory approval and oversight of all financial innovations.
But you're then back to the lobbyist and ownership problem, where the industry can divert huge sums of cash to buying legislation and keep regulation ineffective.
The best effective solution is to place a ceiling on income spreads and personal wealth. No one individual actually needs to own a billion dollars of personal cash.
You don't necessarily have to tax it - although that might not be a bad idea. But you could mandate that income and assets over a certain amount must be spent on useful things in the real economy, and that only a certain relatively small fixed amount can ever be used for gambling.
You still have the problem of getting from here to there, and I can't see how that's going to happen without either controlled or uncontrolled demolition of the shitpile.
But it's important to start getting new ideas out there now. The implosion of the shitpile is going to be the perfect moment to push things in a saner direction.
Avoiding the establishment of perpetual fortunes involves taxing total lifetime gifts. Say, 0% rate up through 50x median annual income, 25% from 50x to 100x, 50% for 100x to 150x, 75% at 150x to 200x, and 100% above 200x median income. So if median annual income is $40,000, a billionaire can avoid inheritance taxes entirely if they divide it up into $2m pieces, or can leave $5m pieces if they are willing to pay $3m in gift taxes per piece. I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.
Its indexed to median incomes mostly for political messaging purposes. People lose track of big numbers, but I reckon "tax free up to 50 years worth of regular income, then raise the tax rate by 25% for each extra 50 years worth of income" is clear enough. I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.
Simple=good, complex=bad.
Why not ban money management? Because of specialisation. Not everyone saver can or want to spend the time to manage her savings. If she wants to pay someone else to do it for her, fine. But strict regulation is needed, far stricter than we have today. The fraud that is "actively" managed mutual or pension funds must be banned for example. If they look like index funds, smell like index funds and behave like index funds, they should not be allowed to trick people into paying higher fees than what index funds usually demand (max 0.5% per annum). Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
The only thing the pre-2008 derivatives pricing revealed is that a lot of people expected to keep making money on bonds. That turned out to be not very useful information, because they were wrong. It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
Now, oil futures have no predicitve power anyways, because since maybe 2003 5 year oil futures have roughly identical as the spot price, which only tells us no one has any clue what the future price might be. But before 2003, the 5 year oil futures always traded around $20 per barrel, as this was considered the marginal price of new production.
Ok, so oil is a bad example. But wheat futures, or sugar futures, or gold futures? Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
With low enough margin requirements, hedgers will be swamped by speculators and the market will become useless. If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
If only I had the leisure.
Short version:
Collapsing n-dimensional motivational imperatives into a single dimension called price reveals far less information than Hayek liked to believe.
The number and weighting of motivational imperatives for "real goods" (e.g. iron ore) kind of works on Hayekian lines, because the labour/energy involved in digging it and transporting it outweigh other motivations quite strongly, most of the time.
Ramp up to the other end of the spectrum - informational goods (including iron ore futures) and the dimensions get more and more equal in weight, because the production of informational goods is virtually costless and frictionless. Once you have equality between the dimensions you are collapsing into one, it's never possible to know which dimension has given you the information that you now hold. There's a word for this kind of thing - it's noise.
I recommend it to you---
L'Origine des individus, KUPIEC, Jean-Jacques, Le Temps des Sciences, Paris, Fayard, 2008.
Trad. angl. The Origin of Individuals, World Scientific, 2009.
I think he's on his way to becoming as famous and important for his work as is Charles Darwin for his and is perhaps rightly to be seen as the contemporary who has best understood (and restored) a proper grasp of Darwin's place and importance.
Here is some of what I can follow as to his views on probability--in part, they contradict what we're offered in
The unfortunate truth is: * Mathematics has no empirical content * Thus, a mathematical formula has no empirical content * Thus, a mathematical formula of correlation has no empirical content * Thus, a mathematical formula of correlation of disparate events has no empirical content * Thus, and I don't care how many fucking epicycles Li came up with, he was blowing it out his ass.
* Mathematics has no empirical content * Thus, a mathematical formula has no empirical content * Thus, a mathematical formula of correlation has no empirical content * Thus, a mathematical formula of correlation of disparate events has no empirical content * Thus, and I don't care how many fucking epicycles Li came up with, he was blowing it out his ass.
or, mathematics is not properly speaking, a "science," which requires that theories be testable and verifiable in experiential, experimental, conditions. That is one thing. It's very much something else to go on to assert that there neither is nor can be any nexus at all between mathematical theory and certain examples in physical phenomena.
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the following comes from chapter 2, "Qu'est-ce qu'un processus probabiliste?" ("What is a probabilistic process?") pages 35 to 55 in the french edition.
Kupiec points out that, in sum,
There is no qualitative difference between determinism and probabilism. (P. 36)
Or, an event with a probabilty of "1" is qualitatively a probabilistic event in exactly the same sense as an event with a probabilty of greater than zero but less than one.
Regarding some common misconceptions about probability, he writes,
Probability does not negate causality. (p. 39)
Hence, it's a mistake to put probable events down to something called "accident".
' The word cause designates the conditions, in the large sense of the term, of random events.'
Probability is not incompatible with reproducibility (i.e. as in experimentation's reproduction of predicted phenomena). (p. 40)
"Probability, accident, contingence, are not synonyms." (p. 43)
"The word accidental is often used in the place of probabilistic. This is an approximation which leads to a counter-sense."
(which often springs from a conscious or unconscious acceptance of "essentialism")
"Probabilty is not 'noise'."
some links/
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xe4kid_l-origine-des-individus_news
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Jacques_Kupiec
"In such an environment it is not surprising that the ills of technology should seem curable only through the application of more technology..." John W Aldridge
Though I don't understand these arcane theories about probability
To Keynes, probability is a branch of logic: the theory of rational thought under uncertainty. Ordinary logic is just the subset of rational thought dealing with certain (or certainly false) propositions. I think this is a really interesting approach. Probability to Keynes is relative but not subjective. That is, probability is always relative to some data (or hypotheses), and so it is in a way subjective since each of us has different data/knowledge/experience, even different mental acuity. However, Keynes' probability is not subjective in the sense that a correctly formed probabilistic reasoning, being enunciated relative to explicit hypotheses, should be valid independently. Keynes writes at length about the problem of induction (reasoning from particular, though possibly numerous, observations to general statements) and he stresses that, contrary to what has been asseted by philosophers in the past, the fact that an inductive conclusion turns out to be false does not invalidate the inductive reasoning relative to the information available at the time the conclusion was formulated.
Kupiec points out that, in sum, There is no qualitative difference between determinism and probabilism. (P. 36) Or, an event with a probabilty of "1" is qualitatively a probabilistic event in exactly the same sense as an event with a probabilty of greater than zero but less than one.
As to the rest, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence
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