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Looks like the ECB put an end to forever - at least for now.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sat Jul 7th, 2012 at 08:46:27 PM EST
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So, are we to conclude that the LTRO was a good thing? The interbank market is still reportedly dead.

If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Jul 8th, 2012 at 03:57:22 AM EST
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No, it was just a play on words. The LTRO was about as close as the ECB has come to doing its job. The problem remains that that is not close enough. It is only a giant bandaid that only temporizes the situation. To solve the problem it is necessary to mark to market ALL the debt and then to insure that a working banking system is reestablished. That would vaporize trillions of Euros, not to mention what might happen in the hundreds of trillions derivative markets.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sun Jul 8th, 2012 at 09:45:10 AM EST
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Not unrelated: GERMAN ECONOMISTS CALL ON CITIZENS TO RESIST END OF DEMOCRACY
172 top economists, including Hans Werner Sinn from the Ifo institute, signed an open letter to Angela Merkel warning of a financial disaster if the permanent ESM and fiscal pact goes ahead.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/german-parliament-approves-esm-and-fiscal-pact-a-841816.h tml

The letter notes that the debts of the southern eurozone banks are three times higher than the national souvereign debts and amount to 9 trillion.

 Wall Street, the City of London and a few German investors and banks are the only winners of the decision to use tax money to shore up failed Spanish and Italian and Irish banks, the economists say.

Recall: Eurointelligence as quoted in the Salon:
Pro European economists in Germany launch a public appeal to support Merkel's euro rescue policy

In a direct response to the public appeal by Ifo president Hans-Werner Sinn and 170 other economists for a citizen's revolt against last week's summit results and the plans for banking union, a group of pro European economists is about to launch a public campaign in favour of Angela Merkel's euro rescue policy, Spiegel Online reports. Sinn's appeal "damaged the reputation of German economic science", Peter Bofinger said of he is one the five so called economic wise men. The director of the Institute for Economics, a research organization close to the employer's federation, said the appeal was "irresponsible" because it "did not have anything to do with economic arguments". Meanwhile Bofinger and Gustav Horn, a left wing economist close the German unions prepare a public appeal in response to Sinn and in support of Merkel's euro policy. The chancellor also reacted to Sinn's criticism by saying the summit results increased common control and not common liabilities. Meanwhile, 54% of the Germans feel that the different euro rescue efforts do not make any sense, a poll for Spiegel Online showed.

Mark Schieritz on the intellectual dishonesty of Hans Werner Sinn's appeal

Writing in his blog Herdentrieb, Mark Schieritz makes an obvious but important point about Hans Werner Sinn's appeal to the German people not to support the banking union. The appeal says the bank debt of the five crisis countries was €9tr, too much for the non-crisis countries. Schieritz says that this is the gross debt, not the amounted needed to recapitalise the banks. He cited the most pessimistic estimates for Spanish bank recapitalisation at €100-200bn. He says the argument of the appeal is based on a dishonest and deliberately misleading interpretation of numbers.



If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Jul 8th, 2012 at 09:51:00 AM EST
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That Sinn is the one that wrote in Project Syndicate that:

The printing presses at the Banque de France and the Banca d'Italia are working overtime to make up for the outflow of money. But this only furthers the exodus, because creating more money prevents interest rates from rising to a point at which capital would find it attractive to stay.

This is the second paragraph at
http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/two-models-for-europe

That seems to imply that the Banque de France and the Banca d'Italia were printing euronotes, which I think they can't do under the current rules of the BCE, am I wrong? What could he be meaning else?

res humą m'és alič

by Antoni Jaume on Sun Jul 8th, 2012 at 03:07:25 PM EST
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He's using the tired metaphor "printing money" for crediting bank reserve account balances.

If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Jul 8th, 2012 at 05:20:30 PM EST
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Never heard it. I stil don't understand, how does that lower interest types? (which seems to bother that Sinn guy)

res humą m'és alič
by Antoni Jaume on Sun Jul 8th, 2012 at 05:30:46 PM EST
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By expanding the money supply (that's what "printing money" is supposed to mean). This would presumably cause inflation (horrors!) and lower interest rates (because of the increased supply of money), both of which are presumably bad for savers.

If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Jul 8th, 2012 at 05:51:00 PM EST
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Quantity of Money Theory  wiki

It was Fisher who (following the pioneering work of Simon Newcomb) formulated the quantity theory of money in terms of the "equation of exchange:" Let M be the total stock of money, P the price level, T the amount of transactions carried out using money, and V the velocity of circulation of money, so that

    M V = P T


It was an advance for its time, which was one of the Gold Standard.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sun Jul 8th, 2012 at 06:25:35 PM EST
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That seems to imply that the Banque de France and the Banca d'Italia were printing euronotes, which I think they can't do under the current rules of the BCE, am I wrong? What could he be meaning else?

He means that he wants someone who is not the Bundesbank to pay for defending the Bundesbank's currency policy.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sun Jul 8th, 2012 at 07:13:07 PM EST
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Sounds pretty good to me. Just tell me first so I can prepare myself. :p

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid on Mon Jul 9th, 2012 at 04:38:18 AM EST
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