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Le Figaro - Flash Actu : Charlie Hebdo publie une BD ''halal'' Le Figaro - News Flash: Charlie Hebdo publishes a "halal" comic book
Charlie Hebdo va publier mercredi un hors-série intitulé La Vie de Mahomet, une bande dessinée biographique "parfaitement halal", concoctée à partir de textes de chroniqueurs musulmans, a annoncé le directeur de l'hebdomadaire Charb, qui l'a mise en images. Il ne s'agit là ni d'une caricature, ni d'une satire, mais d'un récit basé sur une bibliographie, assure dans un avant-propos Zineb, une jeune femme présentée comme sociologue franco-marocaine des religions et coauteure de l'ouvrage. Charlie Hebdo Wednesday will publish a special issue entitled The Life of Mohammed , a comic-strip biography "perfectly halal", concocted from texts by Muslim chroniclers, announced Charb, the director of the weekly, who drew the strip. It is not a caricature or a satire, but a story based on a bibliography, according to the foreword by Zineb, a young woman described as a French-Moroccan sociologist of religions who is co-author of the book.
"C'est une biographie autorisée par l'islam puisqu'elle a été rédigée par des musulmans. C'est une compilation de ce qui a été écrit sur la vie de Mahomet par des chroniqueurs musulmans et on l'a simplement mise en images", renchérit Charb, qui se défend de verser dans la provocation."This is a biography authorized by Islam since it was written by Muslims. It is a compilation of what has been written about the life of Muhammad by Muslim chroniclers and we simply added images "added Charb, which denies any provocation.
"Je ne pense pas que le plus savant des musulmans pourra reprocher quoi que ce soit sur le fond", ajoute Charb, dont l'hebdomadaire a provoqué à plusieurs reprises des remous en publiant des caricatures de Mahomet. "L'idée de ce livre, j'y pense depuis 2006, au moment des caricatures de Mahomet au Danemark. Je crois qu'au départ on avait pris le sujet un peu à l'envers, on a mis en scène un personnage dont on ne connaissait pas la vie, moi le premier", reconnaît-il. "Avant de pouvoir rigoler d'un personnage, il vaut mieux le connaître. Autant on connaît la vie de Jésus, autant on connaît rien de Mahomet"."I do not think that the most learned Muslims will find anything blameworthy in the material," says Charb, whose weekly paper repeatedly caused a stir by publishing cartoons of Mohammed. "I've been thinking about the idea of ​​this book since 2006, when the Mohammed cartoons came out in Denmark. I believe that at the beginning we had taken the matter a little backwards, we portrayed a character whose life we do not know, me in particular, "he admits. "Before you can make fun of a character, it is better to know them. We know the life of Jesus, we know nothing of Mohammed."
Quant aux critiques sur la représentation du Prophète, "c'est juste une tradition, c'est absolument pas inscrit dans le Coran, plaide le dessinateur. A partir du moment où ce n'est pas pour ridiculiser Mahomet, je ne vois pas pourquoi on ne pourrait pas lire ce livre comme on lit au catéchisme des histoires de la vie de Jésus".As for the criticism of the depiction of the Prophet, "it's just a tradition, it is absolutely not written in the Qur'an" claims the cartoonist. "Since the intent is not to ridicule Muhammad, I do not see why one could not read this book as you read the catechism stories of the life of Jesus. "
"Pas fait pour choquer" "Not done to offend"
"Autant le fond est parfaitement halal, autant l'image, c'est mon dessin. J'ai dessiné Mahomet comme je dessine habituellement mes personnages, Mahomet était un homme, j'ai dessiné un homme", fait valoir Charb."The material is perfectly halal, but the pictures are in my own style. I drew Muhammad as I usually draw my characters, Muhammad was a man, I drew a man," argues Charb.
En novembre 2011, après la publication d'un numéro spécial baptisé Charia Hebdo contenant des caricatures de Mahomet, les locaux du journal satirique avaient été incendiés, son site internet piraté et Charb menacé de mort. Ce dernier vit depuis sous protection policière. Plus récemment, de nouvelles caricatures publiées par le journal avaient attiré à Charlie Hebdo des critiques virulentes dans de très nombreux pays musulmans, allant jusqu'à faire réagir le gouvernement français.In November 2011, after the publication of a special issue called Sharia Hebdo containing caricatures of Muhammad, the premises of the satirical newspaper were burned, its website hacked, and Charb received death threats. He lives under police protection. More recently, new cartoons published by the newspaper Charlie Hebdo had attracted strong criticism in many Muslim countries, causing the French government to react.
Même si cette fois la démarche est bien différente, Charb s'attend à ne pas plaire à tout le monde. "Si des gens veulent être choqués, ils seront choqués, mais ce n'est pas fait pour choquer. Les musulmans sont aussi prêts a rire d'eux-mêmes, si on se met à les considérer comme des handicapés du rire, on ne fait pas le jeu d'un islam apaisé, on fait le jeux des extrémistes. Il faut arrêter d'avoir peur, plus on a peur de l'islam, plus l'islam fera peur", commente-t-il.Although this time the approach is quite different Charb expects it will not please everyone. "If people want to be shocked, they will be shocked, but it is not done for shock value. Muslims are also ready to laugh at themselves. If we begin to think of them as humour-impaired, we are not helping a peaceful Islam, we are playing into the hands of extremists. We should stop being afraid. The more you fear Islam, the more scary Islam will be, "he says.


It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Fri Jan 4th, 2013 at 08:03:45 AM EST
I have to say that Charb is being ironic when he claims that the intent is not to ridicule Mohammed.

When the scholarly texts affirm that he was born circumcised and with his eyes outlined with kohl, and this is illustrated by a Charb cartoon, it's hard not to smile.

This is the unsubtle intent : to treat Islam as a normal religion. Those who run around saying that sacred texts are the word of God and must be applied literally in the modern world, are opening themselves to ridicule at best, and to political opposition, in particular if they attempt to impose that on others. This is illustrated by the debate on marriage for all, currently ongoing in France : the big demo in a couple of weeks will illustrate the loss of cultural hegemony by the Catholic church. It was sporting of them to try.

Holding the sacred texts up to scrutiny may well be considered blasphemy. After all, it was heretical to translate the Bible from Latin into the vulgate. But it enables an informed dialogue. People can make individual choices after that. Once they are no longer handicapped by the notion that the sacred text is literally true, they can formulate their own, non-intermediated understanding of their faith. For each and every religion, this is an indispensable step in a secular society.

The only people who stand in the way of this process are the fundamentalists. Whether we hold religious beliefs or not, we can all agree that they are not our friends.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Fri Jan 4th, 2013 at 08:28:50 AM EST
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the only reaction that I can find to the publication is the above press release, in various papers; a prudent "no comment" from the government spokesperson (she doesn't want to judge it because she hasn't seen it yet! I like her); disapproval from the foreign minister (oil on the fire) because he's negotiating with islamic partisans holding French hostages in Africa.
One opinion piece in l'Express (centre right) calling for Charlie Hebdo to be banned. A bit more reaction from North African web sites (a key "market" for the culture war, and for CH), rather mixed and moderate.

Nothing from French Islamists so far, nor from any "official" French Muslim source.

"Vos avis" sur BD de Charlie Hebo sur Mahomet : pourquoi les musulmans s'agacent - BFMTV.com "Your opinion" on BD Charlie Hebo about Muhammad: Why Muslims are annoyed - BFMTV.com
Mais certains s'agacent de "provocations" à répétition. "Cela va être perçu comme une provocation par les musulmans de France", avance Samir Amghar, auteur de l'essai Le salafisme aujourd'hui.But some are annoyed by repeated "provocations". "It will be seen as a provocation by Muslims of France," suggests Samir Amghar, author of the essay Salafism today .
Toutefois, ajoute-t-il, "ils ont intériorisé la culture politique de la société française qui incite à respecter l'opinion de l'autre. Ils ne vont donc pas se mobiliser." C'est d'ailleurs l'avis de Younès Chabchoub : "S'ils veulent faire des dessins, je ne vais pas, en tant que musulman, le leur interdire !"However, he adds, "they have internalized the political culture of French society that encourages respect the opinions of others. They will not mobilize on this issue." This is also the opinion of Younis Chabchoub: "If they want to make drawings, as a Muslim, I'm not going to forbid them!"

Provisional conclusion : This publication is a victory in the culture war; a positive step in the normalisation of Islam.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Fri Jan 4th, 2013 at 09:35:33 AM EST
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eurogreen:
Provisional conclusion : This publication is a victory in the culture war; a positive step in the normalisation of Islam

How many women assaulted and their headscarves torn off their heads? How many mosques torched? Does that even interest you or are you only interested in the victims being silent?

by Katrin on Fri Jan 4th, 2013 at 10:25:27 AM EST
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Publication of a comic book on the life of Mohamed.

Consequences :

How many women assaulted and their headscarves torn off their heads?

Zero. (so far)

How many mosques torched?

Zero. (so far)

are you only interested in the victims being silent?

No, I'm interested in the victims of this "outrage" speaking up. I'm listening. I'm not hearing them. That's interesting. Maybe it's not an outrage?

I may have misused the phrase "culture war". You seem to see it as meaning "war on immigrants", "war on the visibly different", "religious oppression", or something of that sort. I'm talking about conflicting views of religious culture, and how far you're entitled to impinge on other people's freedom. Publishing a comic book (which contains no racism, no insults) creates zero victims. If it should inspire pogroms, as you seem to fear, I will be very surprised indeed, and will undoubtedly change my views.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Fri Jan 4th, 2013 at 10:55:09 AM EST
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That would be the first time that the number of anti-Muslim incidents didn't shoot up during such campaigns. Are you sure you looked for reports, and not only in media that wouldn't report anti-Muslim violence anyway?  
by Katrin on Fri Jan 4th, 2013 at 11:39:01 AM EST
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That would be the first time that the number of anti-Muslim incidents didn't shoot up during such campaigns

I suppose you have a reference for that?

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Fri Jan 4th, 2013 at 12:12:40 PM EST
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by Katrin on Fri Jan 4th, 2013 at 12:23:48 PM EST
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What, you want me to do the work for you, and search for correlations between Charlie Hebdo publications of cartoons of Mohamed and spikes in islamophobic incidents?

I'm not very good at statistics. Try asking Jake.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Fri Jan 4th, 2013 at 05:01:21 PM EST
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I couldn't know that reading the table of contents and going to the relevant page is too difficult a statistical task for you. I see. The diagramme on page 13 and the paragraph of text under it show the nexus between Islamophobian propaganda campaigns and attacks on Muslim individuals and institutions. You are probably able to find page 13, aren't you?
by Katrin on Fri Jan 4th, 2013 at 06:57:40 PM EST
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The trimester March to May 2011 saw more than 100 acts (40% of the total). These "over-­‐ active" periods of islamophobia tend to follow periods when islamophobic themes have been particularly present in public debate and in the national media. Notably, the National Education Minister, Luc Chatel, gave a speech on the 2nd March 2011 validating the acts of a Mrs. Palacio, the Headteacher of Joséphine Baker school who refused to allow veiled mothers to accompany their children on school trips. We also note the "debate on Islam and secularism" launched by the UMP in April. Further, on 11 April 2011 the law of 11 October 2010 forbidding the covering of the face in public came into effect, commonly known as the law against the burqa. There were also certains slip-­‐ups made by the Interior Minister, Claude Guéant, in April 2011 - he spoke on LCI TV about "the growing number of practising Muslims", with "a certain number of behaviours which pose a problem". The "Quick Halal" affair also contributed to the reinforcement of this islamophobic dynamic.

When you talk about "such campaigns", I assumed naïvely that it was on the topic of our discussion, i.e. publications concerning Mohamed in Charlie Hebdo. I see now that you somehow thought I was defending the islamophobic provocations of Sarkozy's government. That must have been very distressing to you, but I really don't see how you got that idea.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Fri Jan 4th, 2013 at 07:29:04 PM EST
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Ah, that explains it. You are right: it was really naïve to assume I would treat Islamophobian campaigns differently because the perpetrators are different entities.
by Katrin on Fri Jan 4th, 2013 at 07:59:28 PM EST
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Indeed. Since your very first intervention in this thread was a spurious attempt to assimilate Charlie Hebdo with right-wing Islamophobic hate sites, it's hardly surprising that, at the other end of the thread, you are doing your faux-naïve routine again, equating Charlie Hebdo with a right-wing islamophobic government.

It's disappointing though.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Fri Jan 4th, 2013 at 09:07:53 PM EST
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Well, I was reading along (in Katrin's link) and came to this:

"A worshipped secularism
The idea of "secularism" - a word which is being gradually corrupted - is changing in the collective imagination into a "sacred value", an immutable dogma around which is being built a dialogue of worship. Secularism is perfect, beautiful, the founder of French identity, a universal value - it is not to be touched. And yet, it was in order to "perfect", "reaffirm" and "reinforce" secularism that anti-­‐Islamic laws were passed in 2004 and 2010, and why in 2012 there is a proposal to review the Constitution in order to modify its definition of secularism. Rather than being a value which allows all religions to be expressed and to coexist side by side, secularism has conditioned "coexistence" to signify the censoring of any religious expression. There is now an ever-growing divergence between historical secularism which was open and inclusive, and today's political secularism, which is closed and exclusive."

and so I stopped reading.

Align culture with our nature. Ot else!

by ormondotvos (ormond.otvosnospamgmialcon) on Sat Jan 12th, 2013 at 10:59:28 PM EST
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