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What the bloody fuck? They're playing the emasculation card?

"MAN UP ALEXIS! KILL THE FUCKING PENSIONERS! STARVE THEM AND YOU CAN BE A REAL BOY!' 'NOW, LETS MEASURE OUR DICKS AND SEE WHO'S BIGGEST!"

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Jun 23rd, 2015 at 07:08:55 AM EST
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Yes, it seems that's where we have landed...

On the other hand, perhaps this kind of thing says something about the relationship of the writer (and his supporters like Merkel and Hollande) to their voters... they cannot imagine why Tsipiras is so reluctant to ditch promises to his voters...

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Tue Jun 23rd, 2015 at 07:45:55 AM EST
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Not very gentlemanly of Hollande to reveal the contents of a private man-to-man conversation though was it?  Tsipras could have been speaking in jest for all we know, knowing that Hollande has has his own "woman" problems... the full article is not too bad considering it was written by Mary Kenny...

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Tue Jun 23rd, 2015 at 08:21:54 AM EST
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No, not gentlemanly at all.

 I'd assume Tsipras wasn't being serious. This is why Varofakis was saying he'd recorded meetings - EU leaders are leaking against them all the time.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Jun 23rd, 2015 at 08:34:35 AM EST
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I appreciate the domestic political dynamics that people like Holland and the Finance ministers are operating under, but I am appalled by the level of competence they are showing - right down to a lack of basic manners. If I were still working and had people reporting to me I'd slaughter them if they behaved like that towards a client or towards each other. There are certain basic professional standards you don't contravene even if you are dealing with dickheads - because otherwise you become one yourself.

Noonan likes to operate as a bit of a lad sometimes, mixing it with political opponents.  That's ok if you're  a backbencher, but not when you are representing your country.  Even Fine Gael dumped him as leader double quick when the electorate decided that wasn't how they wanted a potential Taoiseach to behave - although Ahern, Cowen, and Kenny haven't exactly raised the standard since...

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Tue Jun 23rd, 2015 at 08:49:28 AM EST
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You are assuming the political leaders and finance ministers do or should want to negotiate in good faith.

In fact, their overriding concern is that a party of the radical left cannot be allowed even limited success.

Tsipras and Varoufakis, and Syriza generally, are a foreign body for the EU consensus.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jun 23rd, 2015 at 09:27:15 AM EST
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My point is that all they are doing by their behaviour is highlighting their own incompetence and increasing the sympathy/support for Greece and Syriza throughout Europe. If you really want to screw someone you do it in such a way that know one saw you do it and everyone blames the victim for their misfortune...

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Tue Jun 23rd, 2015 at 11:38:12 AM EST
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They believe they have done their job laying the blame on Syriza, too.

And if you live in a bubble and only talk to insiders and the financial press, that's what happens.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jun 23rd, 2015 at 12:00:20 PM EST
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Careful with that pitchfork.
I saw a tweet with Tsipras's original comment, clearly meant as a joke by him. I haven't seen any mention of Hollande's mentioning of it, other than the Irish journalist's, unsourced.

I don't actually believe that Hollande didn't understand Tsipras's joke. Hollande has plenty of sins, but misogyny is not, as far as I know, one of them.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Tue Jun 23rd, 2015 at 09:09:03 AM EST
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They were saying the same thing about Varoufakis in the early days - that his more radical wife was responsible for his position. Which is ridiculous as his wife is not a radical leftist either.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jun 23rd, 2015 at 09:17:08 AM EST
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Personally, I think it's because they won't wear ties.  I refused to wear ties early in my corporate career until I was told "if you take the shilling..." One of the conditions of the Bail-out will probably be that they wear ties in future.

Much later my employer realized the error of their ways and introduced a casual dress code for all non-customer facing staff.  I think that will come much too late to help Greece

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Tue Jun 23rd, 2015 at 11:49:15 AM EST
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In this very thread:
the Euro Working Group likes Stathakis as a negotiator because he's soft-spoken and wears a tie


A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jun 23rd, 2015 at 12:01:40 PM EST
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Corporate dress codes operate on the same principle: If I'm gonna have to wear a tie you goddamned have to as well. The fact that Greece in summer is far too hot for ties without unaffordable aircon is neither here nor there. It's a matter of corporate community discipline and ensures everyone plays by the same rules.  Special cases or different climatic conditions be damned.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Tue Jun 23rd, 2015 at 12:18:32 PM EST
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So if the Greeks insist on wearing traditional Greek garb, that would be okay?

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jun 23rd, 2015 at 01:00:58 PM EST
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZevgKAiUwZ8

They tried to assimilate me. They failed.
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Tue Jun 23rd, 2015 at 04:48:09 PM EST
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After all, what is a tie but a symbolic noose around our neck, a symbol of the death-tether that capital has around our life?
by Zwackus on Tue Jun 23rd, 2015 at 05:02:39 PM EST
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Male Liberation Front: Burn your ties!
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Jun 24th, 2015 at 01:03:07 AM EST
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