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Too many Chile parallels for comfort.

And Greeks have a healthy anti-Americanism from their 1940s civil was experience.

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Jun 20th, 2015 at 02:17:16 PM EST
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And yet, even so, the Greeks always go back to the Americans. There is a huge revaunchist strain in Greece that is only now being doubted for the first time, but it is still strong.

The big achievement vis-a-vis Greece in the last 10 years is that the EU succeeded in moving Greece away from its role as American trojan horse inside EU structures, not to mention Greece's move away from the American military industrial complex. Greece used to purchase 95% of military weaponry from the USA in the 1990s. Now the EU is on par with the USA at 40%, with the rest of the 20% consisting of Russian Anti-Ballistic missiles and Israeli weaponry.

by Upstate NY on Sat Jun 20th, 2015 at 02:36:17 PM EST
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And of course  the Troika have been insisting on massive cutbacks in all military expenditure?

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Sat Jun 20th, 2015 at 02:46:44 PM EST
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Upstate NY:
EU succeeded in moving Greece away from its role as American trojan horse inside EU structures

The UK does a better job...

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by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Jun 24th, 2015 at 01:16:08 AM EST
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They certainly should have.

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by melvin (melvingladys at or near yahoo.com) on Sat Jun 20th, 2015 at 02:47:50 PM EST
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The 1940s were mainly a British treachery. Winston churchill. It wasn't until the 1960s Junta that the USA and the Greeks had a falling out.
by Upstate NY on Sat Jun 20th, 2015 at 02:58:06 PM EST
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I think it's honestly rather naive to think Churchill's (disgusting) stance was not approved by the US.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Jun 20th, 2015 at 03:25:42 PM EST
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Approved but in what way executed? I mean, there were British soldiers firing down on women and children from the rooftops.  Given that Americans had no idea what was going on on the ground, it was really a British treachery. The Brits knew all the players--the Americans did not. So even if the Americans had said, the Greeks must not go Russian, only the British could decide what that meant. Inside of Greece, it's considered a British perfidy that Churchill interpreted such directives as a need to snuff out the ordinary partisans of the left.
by Upstate NY on Sat Jun 20th, 2015 at 05:55:32 PM EST
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Agreed, the Brits were the executants. And Churchill, personally venomous re Greek partisans, held out for representing the West™ in the anti-Communist battle. But the US was concurrently handling other battlefields against the red enemy in non-Red Army Europe: Italy's democracy was permanently weakened by US presence prolonged by Gladio, for example. Afaik there was no disagreement in the US/GB bloc over the "handling" of Greece during and after the war. It was all part of the same anti-Communist fight.

Britain covered itself with lasting shame for that "handling". But, if I were Greek, I wouldn't harbour any illusions about the US.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Jun 21st, 2015 at 01:20:44 AM EST
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Yes, I agree. I dont think Greeks harbor illusions anyway. Certainly not after the Junta and Cyprus. But the connection with the USA cannot be overlooked. While the connection was extremely strong between 1948 and 1974, it took a big hit with Papandreou in the late 1970s. But I'd still argue that Greece was an American puppet state for close to 3 decades. And there are very strong elements that had it veering that way until around 2000. It wasn't the Balkan Wars either since for all of Greece's support of Serbia, it was Greece that allowed the critical support of NATO through Salonika. The dents have come from EU encroachment and the Macedonian issue, coupled again with Cyprus.

Post Civil War, almost all Greek ministers and leaders were "tutored" and educated at a certain facility in the state of Virginia. Greece sent small numbers to the Korean War (boggles the mind, after WW2, Civil War, that Greece would send any) in the amount of over 2,000+ soldiers. But this was the 5th largest number from any country worldwide. This was a purely American plan.

by Upstate NY on Sun Jun 21st, 2015 at 10:31:18 AM EST
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Are you talking about 1944?  Because after the war the US was fully aware of what was going on.  Just because Truman had no clue (beyond "The Commies are coming!  The Commies are coming!") doesn't mean the folks who were actually making the policies didn't.
by rifek on Sat Jun 27th, 2015 at 05:03:26 PM EST
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Don't need to invoke Chile.  We've done it in Greece.
by rifek on Sat Jun 27th, 2015 at 04:04:53 PM EST
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