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I absolutely agree.  Most posters here can't grasp the lunacy that is US politics.  When the same-sex marriage decision came down yesterday, conservatives immediately started challenging the Supreme Court's authority to rule on the issue, even though that was settled over 200 years ago.  As I've posted elsewhere on ET, the far right positions Hungary is taking now have been the mainstream policies in the US for decades.
by rifek on Sat Jun 27th, 2015 at 06:27:22 PM EST
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I have been directly exposed to the lunacy of US right-wingers (and the inadequacy of the 'other side') for years, 'debating' the idiots first in science and atheism forums and then in political ones at the time of the Iraq War. You'll note that throughout in the Hungary diary, I am contrasting with Western Europeans (aiming for the majority of my readership). The U.S. immigration quotas, the insane defences at the Mexican border and the (up to fatal) police violence against 'illegal' immigrants, the election rhetoric from one mainstream party (and the silence to support from local representatives of the other), the hypocrisy regarding the role of 'illegals' in especially the agricultural industry: Europe has parallels to each of that, but not (yet) on that level and not (yet) that across-the-board. But that's the direction the Fortress Europe mentality is taking us towards.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun Jun 28th, 2015 at 05:55:11 AM EST
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The USA is going through the classic stages of post imperial decline - overweening arrogance, living in their own self-regarding bubble, ignorance of everything outside that bubble, and a tendency to over-react at the slightest provocation with a military "solution". What's Europe's excuse? Our empires died a long time ago.

Index of Frank's Diaries
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Sun Jun 28th, 2015 at 10:15:29 AM EST
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Not that long ago. The British didn't close their last death camps (that we know about) until sometime in the 1960s. Lots of people in their 50s in France and Britain today grew up in the colonies.

And of course Germany got its empire back in 1993, and it's clearly gone to their head.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sun Jun 28th, 2015 at 10:58:32 AM EST
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So what was our excuse when we were still on the rise?  Simple immaturity and callowness?
by rifek on Sun Jun 28th, 2015 at 01:09:42 PM EST
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Conformity to the historical human baseline.

Quite a lot of major advances in the human condition - things like religious tolerance, the modern notion of sovereignty, the moral opprobrium attached to genocide, and others too numerous to list - have happened because there was a sufficiently big war that the big men looked at each other and went "okay, the stakes were a bit too high on that last roll of the dice. It's all fun and games when it's just the peasants getting murdered, but this is getting out of hand. Let's all agree to tone it down a bit from here on."

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sun Jun 28th, 2015 at 01:20:01 PM EST
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You had FDR and even Eisenhauer was better than current Republicans. The sad fact is that culturally and politically, the USA has been in decline since the 1960s.  I blame Vietnam, racism, followed by Iraq, citizens United and the worship of money above all else, but we all have our own demonology...

Index of Frank's Diaries
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Sun Jun 28th, 2015 at 01:20:03 PM EST
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Reagan was a progressive in comparison to this crop.

Experience keeps a dear school, but fools will learn in no other. -- Dr Johnson
by melvin (melvingladys at or near yahoo.com) on Sun Jun 28th, 2015 at 03:34:43 PM EST
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Yes but he turned the tide. Carter was still a human being for all his faults.  From Reagan onwards with was big business which was in charge - regardless of whether it was Republicans or Democrats in power - it was just different sectors of big business who were in control (Big Oil vs. Wall street etc.)

Index of Frank's Diaries
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Sun Jun 28th, 2015 at 06:20:13 PM EST
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... the Big Oil companies switching to the Republicans when the West Texas oil quotas went away and their quarter by quarter stake in full employment went away has far more to do with it than those who put politics down to which side "ran the best campaign" seem to ever contemplate.

I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.
by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Wed Jul 1st, 2015 at 08:53:30 AM EST
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