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...Uhm. There is no way their lawyers didn't call this arrangement out when they made it. Given the age of the arrangement, maybe Cook never heard those objections, but.. it's kind of blatantly illegal.
by Thomas on Fri Sep 2nd, 2016 at 08:28:49 AM EST
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against what law, where? (and I'm not referring to moral law!)

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Fri Sep 2nd, 2016 at 10:53:35 AM EST
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In Ireland. Well, specifically, Vestager is correct - it's obviously state aid, and thus illegal under those directives, but both at the time, and for the entire duration, it was entirely unambiguous that those directives had the force of law in Ireland. You can't pass the bar to practice corporate law in Europe without knowing this, so if they asked their legal council, they'd have been told it'd get overturned if anyone ever cared to go over the books.
Which begs the question why they even tried it on in the first place, and .. well, at this point, it's pure guess work, but equal parts pure arrogance, "hey, a major loan we don't have to put on the books" and "if we get away with it long enough, some of the extra money will be shielded by statutes of limitation".

.. Getting the approval of the Irish for it doesn't change any of that, tough it probably does effectively shield them from punitive damages.

by Thomas on Fri Sep 2nd, 2016 at 01:40:39 PM EST
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Well first of all Irish law is quite different from European law, and secondly you haven't cited the law which was broken.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Fri Sep 2nd, 2016 at 03:57:29 PM EST
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From the irish constitution:

"No provision of this Constitution invalidates laws enacted, acts done or measures adopted by the State which are necessitated by the obligations of membership of the European Union or of the Communities, or prevents laws enacted, acts done or measures adopted by the European Union or by the Communities or by institutions thereof, or by bodies competent under the Treaties establishing the Communities, from having the force of law in the State."

Article 107 of lisbon.

(ex Article 87 TEC)

  1. Save as otherwise provided in the Treaties, any aid granted by a Member State or through State resources in any form whatsoever which distorts or threatens to distort competition by favouring certain undertakings or the production of certain goods shall, in so far as it affects trade between Member States, be incompatible with the internal market.

  2. The following shall be compatible with the internal market:

(a) aid having a social character, granted to individual consumers, provided that such aid is granted without discrimination related to the origin of the products concerned;

(b) aid to make good the damage caused by natural disasters or exceptional occurrences;

(c) aid granted to the economy of certain areas of the Federal Republic of Germany affected by the division of Germany, in so far as such aid is required in order to compensate for the economic disadvantages caused by that division. Five years after the entry into force of the Treaty of Lisbon, the Council, acting on a proposal from the Commission, may adopt a decision repealing this point.

3. The following may be considered to be compatible with the internal market:

(a) aid to promote the economic development of areas where the standard of living is abnormally low or where there is serious underemployment, and of the regions referred to in Article 349, in view of their structural, economic and social situation;

(b) aid to promote the execution of an important project of common European interest or to remedy a serious disturbance in the economy of a Member State;

(c) aid to facilitate the development of certain economic activities or of certain economic areas, where such aid does not adversely affect trading conditions to an extent contrary to the common interest;

(d) aid to promote culture and heritage conservation where such aid does not affect trading conditions and competition in the Union to an extent that is contrary to the common interest;

(e) such other categories of aid as may be specified by decision of the Council on a proposal from the Commission.

Lisbon post dates the deal apple made, but the relevant rules did not change substantially with the changeover of treaties.

by Thomas on Fri Sep 2nd, 2016 at 05:42:39 PM EST
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And no, none of the exceptions apply.
by Thomas on Fri Sep 2nd, 2016 at 05:44:34 PM EST
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So what, precisely, was the aid the Irish Government gave to Apple, not available to its competitors, and which enabled it to distort the market?

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Fri Sep 2nd, 2016 at 05:55:13 PM EST
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an effective tax rate 12 % lower than anyone else, which is equivalent to a monetary subsidy of the same size. Both legally and practically.
The fact that the Irish government did this is, incidentally, completely insane. 6000 jobs (and that number is wildly inflated) is not worth 12.5 billion.
by Thomas on Fri Sep 2nd, 2016 at 06:00:58 PM EST
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Apple set up a non-tax resident company in Ireland as its HQ for international sales.  At the time anyone could do it, and many did. It wasn't an arrangement in any way unique to Apple.

I don't agree with it, and am glad Noonan abolished that provision last year.  But that does not give Vestager the power to make that abolition retro-active for 20 odd years. She has no powers in relation to corporate taxation whatsoever.  

The €13 Billion tax bill relates to profits made on international sales, not its Irish operations.  Since becoming tax resident in Ireland last year, Apple is now paying Irish corporation tax on those profits.

There is a valid case for arguing that those profits should be taxed in the markets where the sales took place, but that is not the basis for her finding.  In fact she is arguing that Ireland should collect that tax, and if necessary, come to an arrangement with those countries where the sales took place.

None of this has any basis in any of the Treaties or is in any way within her sphere of competence.  It may make her and the Commission look good in Europe -  kicking around a weak government in a smaller member state. It is also the fastest way of promoting an Ire-exit movement in Ireland I can think of and embodies all the stereotypes of "unelected Brussels Bureaucrats" dictating policy to sovereign states so beloved of the Brexiteers.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Fri Sep 2nd, 2016 at 06:23:27 PM EST
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Well, Apple appears to be awfully confused about who it owes taxes to.
Since last year, profits on its European operations, based in Ireland, is now taxed in Ireland at the official 12% rate (have I got that right?). This is a clear recognition that they are creating profits in Europe which should be taxed in Europe.

The billions in profits which they have accrued on their European operations in previous years, hitherto untaxed, apparently is considered to generate a US tax liability (presumably because that money is owed to the US parent company, in the form of royalties or whatever).

So there seems to be an ambiguity about where these profits should be taxed.

The fact that Ireland previously let them get away with paying no tax on their European profits, and that the EU let Ireland get away with that, was a tacit subsidy accorded to Ireland when it was struggling to emerge from an Upper Neolithic economic status. But Ireland has one of the highest per capita incomes in the EU, and there is no longer any reason to continue the subsidy. Is there a danger that Apple will shift their operations out of Ireland? Where to? They need a base in the EU... Bulgaria perhaps? I think not.

None of this speaks to the legal position of course, and the Commission seems likely to lose; I don't think it matters much to them. I suspect them of doing this in order to mobilize public opinion in favour of severe constraints on transnational tax avoidance, and perhaps even standardising company tax rates.

In which case, I wish them all success, and indeed they have already achieved a great deal in that direction.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Sun Sep 4th, 2016 at 08:01:35 PM EST
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Vestager won't loose, among other things, because Apple will almost certainly fold like a wet napkin once their lawyers get a good grip on the case. The problem is that if their tax setup in Ireland is legit, their use of the European transfer pricing mechanism is not. Because they would be transferring their profits out of the union into an office domiciled nowhere, which is most definitely illegal, at which point they get hit with back taxes not in Ireland at a low 12.5 %.. but in Germany. France. And everywhere else they sold their products, at those, far higher rates.

Hattip to:
http://www.thepropertypin.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=66347
I very strongly recommend reading it. Well written, very persuasive.
Pretty

by Thomas on Sun Sep 4th, 2016 at 09:39:51 PM EST
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