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The Somme, Scott's Antarctic expedition, Hood vs. Bismarck, Singapore 1942, Afghanistan 1842, English national football sides for the last half-century.  The list may be endless.
by rifek on Wed Jan 25th, 2017 at 06:40:59 AM EST
I dunno, the Hood vs. Bismarck doesn't quite seem the same as the rest on that list. That was just a lucky shot in what was otherwise a not-unreasonable engagement, particularly given the mission parameters. Just about any damage at all to the Bismarck would have been enough to pin it down, so the Hood didn't even need to land a knockout blow, just give it a black eye.
by Zwackus on Wed Jan 25th, 2017 at 08:42:21 AM EST
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Hood showed the glaring weakness in the RN's whole battle cruiser theory that was a significant part of its building plan, namely that there isn't enough speed gain to make up for the armor loss.  Bismarck was able to employ plunging fire with its 15s and cut through Hood like a hot knife through butter.  But Hood was and is sold as another magnificent sacrifice.
by rifek on Wed Jan 25th, 2017 at 03:09:15 PM EST
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Don't forget Dunkirk, Suez, attempts to keep those pesky American colonists in line, the loss of empire throughout the world...  To these we may soon be to adding the loss of favoured trading relationships with the EU, Scotland, N. Ireland, London as the capital of the financial world...  But the deepest loss may be any sense of mutual connection and obligation between the working and ruling classes in England.  Brexit was a revolt in a deeply dysfunctional system.  It is unlikely to get any more functional unless I am underestimating the ingenuity of the ruling class...

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Wed Jan 25th, 2017 at 09:28:50 AM EST
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And don't forget 1066 either.
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Wed Jan 25th, 2017 at 10:07:45 AM EST
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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Wed Jan 25th, 2017 at 10:17:12 AM EST
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Well, they did build a nice wall with the EU (and even paid for it)....
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Wed Jan 25th, 2017 at 01:36:08 PM EST
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I think you'll find Hadrian's wall was to keep the Scots out... and they never made it to Ireland...

My English English teacher used to tell us that Ireland was an Island of Saints and Scholars while the Britons were wondering around naked painted with woad...  No wonder the Romans tried to keep them out.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Wed Jan 25th, 2017 at 10:08:13 PM EST
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