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Yes, that more or less covers it. I think your ending analysis applies to brexit more accurately than a mere bleat of english nationalism (that mostly came after).

Far more it was a complaint of feeling disenfranchised by a remote bureaucracy that was percieved as a dead weight and an impediment on people's lives. The fact that most of these problems came from Westminster rather than Brussels was neither here nor there as Westminster elections never allow the "none of the above" option.

However whatever chance the EU has of redressing this imbalance, the smaller states have none, and it is noteworthy that most nationalist movements have no analysis of how they would address this issue. If anything, their solution is to compete ever more aggressively for such investment, beggaring their neighbours even more in the process if necessary.  

As with brexit, we should ask, who benefits? Where did the money come from? I hate to come over tin foil hat CT, but there's increasing evidence of shared interests between the plutocratic elite across the West who wish to stir up trouble and the newly emergent aggressive stance of Russia to bring about the fall of powerful democratic institutions

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Oct 29th, 2017 at 04:21:22 PM EST
Replacing state with corporate rule is the ultimate wet dream of plutocrats. Then they can have untrammelled power and literally "own" people.

One $ one vote is always more advantageous to the rich than that annoying one person one vote whereby even their office cleaner has the same rights as they do.  So anything that can be done to weaken those taxing monsters known as states must be done. Why let them redistribute your hard earned wealth?

Turn citizens into employees and they become much more manageable, and better still, you can fire them if you feel like it.  

So break up the European Union, split up the bigger states.  Turn "faceless bureaucrats" into the issue rather than corporate power.

Rupert Murdoch was once asked why he was so anti-EU. "That's easy" he said. "When I want something done, all I have to do is ring 10 Downing street, and it gets done. When I ring Brussels they listen politely and then completely ignore me."

He might have added "what we need is more democratic accountability. To ME."!

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Sun Oct 29th, 2017 at 05:03:52 PM EST
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Doesn't Nermeen Shaikh have great hair?

Plus she looks like she's stoned.  Probably a great date.  Ah, to be young again.

They tried to assimilate me. They failed.

by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Mon Oct 30th, 2017 at 02:58:43 PM EST
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Wouldn't be a fan!

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Mon Oct 30th, 2017 at 04:08:44 PM EST
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I think the Murdoch quote shows why Murdoch is for Brexit. But from what I know of Brussels, it is not like there is no corporate power lobbying going on there.

The way I see it, we have both an ongoing internationalisation of decision-making where power is moved from the public and a reaction that is channelled towards nationalism. Which leads to bad choices like Clinton vs Trump or Macron vs LePen. Heads capital wins, tails labour loses.

Of course, different capitalist actors gain and lose from different outcomes. But they all gain when the reaction to Trump is passing CETA with its corporate courts.

Question is how to get out of this predicament. And right now, I have no clue.

by fjallstrom on Tue Oct 31st, 2017 at 12:04:24 PM EST
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Got it in one, IMO.

We're in the final stage of plutocratic class war, with transnational hyper-elites on one side and everyone else on the other.

Both Brexit and Trump were experiments, and so far they appear to be successful.

If the hypothesis is correct, far worse horrors will follow in due course.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Oct 31st, 2017 at 12:05:19 AM EST
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