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99% of all women work, now and in the past, actually getting fair remuneration for that work is the novelty.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Dec 3rd, 2017 at 12:34:03 PM EST
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When an emancipation influx of women into the workforce depresses the job market so much that the modern-income family has it harder than a single-income family in the 1950s, how important is fair enumeration? It is arguable that a wife and kids had it easier when the husband was in charge of their welfare rather than the society and the market.

Elisabeth Warren alludes to that in her famous presentation "The Coming Collapse of the Middle Class" of March 8, 2007 (Youtube), particularly around 23:20-24:40, 26:40-27:20, 28:04-30:08 time marks.

See also this Guardian article:

How feminism became capitalism's handmaiden - and how to reclaim it

by das monde on Mon Dec 4th, 2017 at 02:44:18 AM EST
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Ah, the good old days. <wipes away a nostalgic tear>

When men were men, women were women, martial rape hadn't been invented and a stick no thicker than your thumb was the key to marital bliss. Good times.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Dec 4th, 2017 at 10:39:25 AM EST
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Those were the best times ever, anywhere by then. It got still better, but the current progress is very debatable. Two decades after "It's economy, stupid!", a pedestal for (mostly) well established women is more or less a consolation for the progressives, is it not?
by das monde on Mon Dec 4th, 2017 at 03:07:57 PM EST
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Well sure, if you were a white guy. I mean, fuck the rest of the human race, right?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Dec 4th, 2017 at 05:11:08 PM EST
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And not even then, honestly. Except maybe in a few bits of the US.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Dec 4th, 2017 at 05:15:46 PM EST
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Yes, but at least there wasn't an internet. We could get our fake news directly from ABC and that was that. Much simpler.
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Mon Dec 4th, 2017 at 05:18:53 PM EST
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You mean, the pedestal was ready sooner in the USSR, and blacks were better off in Africa? What does you grandma say?

White is over, if you want it. Enjoy!

by das monde on Tue Dec 5th, 2017 at 12:56:22 AM EST
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I believe you got that one backwards. Wages weren't depressed because of women entering the workplace, wages were depressed because automation robbed the workforce of the power of organisation. An atomised workforce is easy to control and threaten, poverty wages are the result.

Coincidence is not causation

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Dec 4th, 2017 at 11:12:36 AM EST
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Wages started to stagnate (and labour unions got hit) in the 1980s, quite before tangible automatization and outsourcing.

There were several factors, surely. But rough long-term doubling of the labour force ought to have comparable causal influence as CO2 increase in the atmosphere.

by das monde on Mon Dec 4th, 2017 at 03:04:44 PM EST
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Because of course women started working in 1980.

1980. Remind me, what kind of crazy economic ideology took hold around then? With destruction of unions, deregulation, privatisation at firesale price?

Sleep deprived as I am with the recent birth, I cannot seem to find the name just yet.

Earth provides enough to satisfy every man's need, but not every man's greed. Gandhi

by Cyrille (cyrillev domain yahoo.fr) on Mon Dec 4th, 2017 at 06:37:54 PM EST
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So it is not automation.

The wage stagnation trend continued after Reagan and Thatcher regardless ideology... or variably "progressive" leaders. With new wild market rules in force, the doubly inflated labour mass had no power whatsoever.

Birth congrats!

by das monde on Tue Dec 5th, 2017 at 12:50:09 AM EST
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Reagan and Thatcher ideology never abated -thus far.

Corbyn may yet attempt to claw things back, but he is not in power yet.

Earth provides enough to satisfy every man's need, but not every man's greed. Gandhi

by Cyrille (cyrillev domain yahoo.fr) on Tue Dec 5th, 2017 at 09:16:24 AM EST
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