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this is long and probably errs on the apocalyptic side, but I think it's an interesting viewpoint that I hadn't considered. I too worried the NYT article was problematic, so it's good to see somebody coming at it from another angle.

FB - George Godwyn - These people ARE our Normal

For going on two years now, I have been following several Donald Trump groups, alt right groups, and just general far right reactionary groups. I have seen these groups grow from 500 or a thousand people to 20,000, 30,000, 50,000, and more. One particularly grotesque example is almost half 1 million.

When I joined them, I felt like something was changing, something new was happening, and I wanted to try and understand it. (as well as for an occasional laugh, it would be fruitless for me to deny that now.) Of course, it was fucking appalling. But I kept watching. I knew Trump would win the primary long before most people thought it was a possibility on the basis of what I saw in these groups. I've become familiar with memes and tropes and ideas common in the groups and I think I've gotten a fairly good grip on the culture. I've been pretty accurate in my predictions regarding the Trump and the hard right over this period of time, other than his victory in the general election. Because of these groups.

Since that time, when the subject of Trump, or the alt right, or neo-Nazis in conversation, sometimes I will suggest to my friends, people on the left, that they join a trump group or an alt right group, to see what's going on in them. And I can't remember one time offhand when the person I was talking to thought it was a good idea. (If I'm wrong, if I'm forgetting, feel free to correct me, but I can't remember anyone wanting to.) My memory is that, to a person, anyone I know on the left who has heard the suggestion has expressed feelings somewhere in a range between lack of interest to horror, generally tending towards the latter.

So the other day I wake up to my feed full of people angry about the New York Times profile of the Ohio Nazi, Tony Hovater. I read the piece and it just seems like a profile of a Nazi to me. Completely unsurprising or notable in any way, other than its correlation with my own experience. I thought it was very well done.



keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Dec 3rd, 2017 at 10:31:20 AM EST

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