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The whole thing being dumped, with the UK retaining it's opt-outs and the option to invoke Art 50 again is hardly the best outcome for the EU. The best outcome is the EEA as a transitional arrangement, followed by the Norway option.

Still, I think the EU should mostly worry about minimising damage to Ireland.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Nov 8th, 2017 at 11:36:02 AM EST
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What PM is going to invoke A50 after this experience? What has the UK gained? Where are these incentives that people are so convinced exist? A50 will have ruined two or three PMs and done significant damage to political careers and the UK economy for no benefit whatsoever.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Nov 8th, 2017 at 01:14:26 PM EST
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And all of which has been a wonderful gift to the cohesion of the EU. Who would have thought that the EU27 could appear far more united, competent, and effective than Her Majesty's Government? All those Daily Mail headlines about EU incompetence have back fired nicely.

That is not to say that the EU is united, competent and effective.  Only that the UK makes it appear so by comparison. In fact it would be a great pity if the EU didn't seize the moment to make some much needed reforms. No doubt they will fuck that up, but we can only hope...

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Wed Nov 8th, 2017 at 01:45:22 PM EST
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 to make some much needed reforms. No doubt they will fuck that up, but we can only hope...
What reforms, Frank? Seriously, what do you see them even remotely approaching doing that would help Europe?

Europe is marching to Macron's tune...

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Nov 8th, 2017 at 07:29:23 PM EST
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This is one "side show," if you will, among many to the most important question which you posed: What reforms? The European parliament constituted by 735 members constantly receives reforms and petitions from sundry constituencies and EU institutional characters.

Questions that then attenuate their deliberations are which reforms should or will advance by agreement of the political groups? Where and Why? It's at this point in the process usually that lobbyists inside and out make hay out of enjoining "special interests" de jure rather than promoting or "amplifying" majority interest in any alternative agenda.

Constituents scarcely perceive that every reform and NEW-TO-THE-WORLD political act drags with it enumerable (not innumerable, "systemic") empirical objectives and prerequisite operating conditions into scrutiny of legislators. These will absolutely determine measures of the success or failure of the act.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Sun Nov 19th, 2017 at 08:02:47 PM EST
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Haven't we debated this before?

What PM is going to invoke A50 after this experience?
Why should we expect that the Brexiteers will be chastised and silent for a generation? Or even five years?

What has the UK gained?
In which imaginary universe do the Tories care about the UK? (to paraphrase our friend Jake)

by Bernard on Wed Nov 8th, 2017 at 07:48:41 PM EST
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They care about the UK that exists in their hearts and minds.  The one they read about in Kipliing and Churchill in their childhoods.  The UK that had ceased to exist by the time most of them were born, or at least were out of their nappies (which in the case of Boris hasn't happened yet).
by rifek on Fri Nov 10th, 2017 at 03:22:26 AM EST
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