Welcome to the new version of European Tribune. It's just a new layout, so everything should work as before - please report bugs here.
Display:
The Roman empire went on longer than most as we've said. The immediate problems that explode in the third century are invasions and successions.
which devoured Alexander's short-lived "Greek" empire five ways to Sunday
Invasions by first of all Persia. Persia is the old enemy of the Roman empire. Indeed as many of you know the old enemy of the Greek city-states that precede the Roman empire as far back as the first historian of the western tradition, Herodotus, first week of directed studies for those of you who are nostalgic for that experience. Persia is the enemy. Well, we never study Persia. It's like off-stage all the time and that's the great benefit of the department of near eastern languages and cultures. If you want to learn about Persia really from within instead of "O, my god, the Persians" in 370 B.C. and it's gonna to be, it's going to come to an end in the seventh century. But uh that's because of Islam.




Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Wed Dec 6th, 2017 at 03:39:17 PM EST
Garth Fowden's Empire to Commonwealth - Consequences of monotheism in late antiquity, which I read ~25 years ago, best framed this whole issue for me. He also argues the importance of Iran and the Iranian plateau as a geographic fortress that gave weight to the Persian and Sasanian empires located there. In a age when China and India were too remote to matter Iran hosted the 'middle empire, between the Byzantine and the Kushan. This contrasts with the 'three great monotheisms' view of the period more common in 'the west', which was a barbarian fringe once Rome fell.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Thu Dec 7th, 2017 at 04:32:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I always find it amusing that Sparta's pro-Persian foreign policy, and direct collaboration with the Persians with an eye towards the "pacification" of Greece and an end to the dangerous politics of their Athenian rivals -- somehow that always gets forgotton by clash-of-civilization dumbasses.
by Zwackus on Fri Dec 8th, 2017 at 02:55:42 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Treason Against Europa at the very root of the civilization! That root gave rise to many fruitful branches, not least when transplanted to North America.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Fri Dec 8th, 2017 at 03:48:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Display:

Occasional Series