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[that] "the EU would be only too happy to retain N. Ireland within the CU and Single Market"
is exaggerated.

The document published this morning and subsequent statements by Barnier do suggest a "special" status for NI.

Guiding Principles for the dialogue on Ireland/Northern Ireland

They also indicate that it is up to the UK to come up with a workable solution and that that solution will not form the basis for the future relationship between the whole of the UK and the EU.

The  onus  to  propose solutions  which  overcome  the  challenges  created  on  the  island  of  Ireland .... and the internal market remains on the United Kingdom.
by oldremainmer48 on Thu Sep 7th, 2017 at 02:31:12 PM EST
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Thanks for this extremely timely update.

As I said above, EU still has not published anything contradicting the EP briefing. The GFA is not a trade instrument conferring NI severability from the UK withdrawal agreement. It is a peace treaty. And thus EU affirmation of "special status" specifically promotes "open border"/CTA free movement of people (GFA provisions for IE-UK partisans' shared home rule notwithstanding &tc).

I am amused to see the EU emphasize in this document, it will not tolerate UK attempts to shift cost of customs controls, surveillance, and tariffs on to IE wherever UK proposes to establish ports.

Eurotrib debate about customs border location has been seductive but spurious, given EU long ago calculated the value and volume of IE-NI land trade and NI-UK "onward trade" by air or sea. I expect, we shall see EU further throttle UK enthusiasm for a "porous 512km" pipeline of mere doilies and dairy kegs.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Thu Sep 7th, 2017 at 03:55:12 PM EST
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< wipes tears >
The EP briefing even floats EU Most Favored Nation tariff premium (3.2%) to tease UK "future partnership" vision. This is such a low "cost of business (or smuggling)" benchmark to which I could only allude, when I pulled up WTO 2017 data in another, earlier eurotribe thread entertaining punishing, RETALIATORY! actions by the EU.

I believe, I predicted anything greater than 1% would induce "permanent insanity."

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Thu Sep 7th, 2017 at 04:17:47 PM EST
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< wipes tears >
re: World Tariff Profiles 2017 in "Sterling devaluation: Cause and effect"
Again. I think it prudent to examine tables in the WTO's 2017 publication in order to obtain at least a more accurate understanding of bound and applied rates in effect AND ratio of premia >15% (applied to scheduled G&S) by signatory.
EU's ratio is extremely low --AS IS "free trade" commitment-- by comparison to that which so-called developing nations impose on imports from any and all trade "partners". And you can bet that 0.4 summarizes trade sanctions imposed on NATO's "adversaries."
[...]
But whichever cost the other 99.6% bear is sufficient to tip the UK into a permanent state of insanity or piracy. As it is, no one can say if the gov't has prepared for any EU demand for reimbursement of the cost of inspection and compliance (abrogated by UK in its retarded position paper) on to the balance of charges on EU budget outstanding.

&tc

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Thu Sep 7th, 2017 at 05:18:34 PM EST
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< wipes tears >

Are this tears of sadness or laughter?

by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Thu Sep 7th, 2017 at 05:21:39 PM EST
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as is the custom.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Thu Sep 7th, 2017 at 05:40:53 PM EST
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I took them to signal sarcasm or contempt

Index of Frank's Diaries
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Thu Sep 7th, 2017 at 06:15:03 PM EST
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interesting.

What do you see?

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Fri Sep 8th, 2017 at 01:30:22 AM EST
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Donald Trump
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Fri Sep 8th, 2017 at 03:15:31 AM EST
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a very special case

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Fri Sep 8th, 2017 at 02:45:16 PM EST
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Someone hiding...and throwing up aggressive diversions

Index of Frank's Diaries
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Fri Sep 8th, 2017 at 04:34:14 PM EST
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You are incorrigible, Frank "Special Case" Schnittger.
< sniff >
The correct locution is "micro-aggression."

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Sat Sep 9th, 2017 at 02:32:56 PM EST
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For the best articulation of "the special case", see here

Index of Frank's Diaries
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Mon Sep 11th, 2017 at 11:27:56 PM EST
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That's surprisingly insightful.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Sep 12th, 2017 at 05:53:40 AM EST
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Thanks Frank. That (IMHO) is one of the best analyses of the English condition and its origins that I have read. One is tempted to quote several bits but I shall limit myself to

Things that nation-states do not like--ambiguity, contingency, multiplicity--would have to be lived with and perhaps even embraced. Irish people, for the most part, have come to terms with this necessity. The English, as the Brexit referendum suggested, have not.
by oldremainmer48 on Thu Sep 14th, 2017 at 10:12:52 AM EST
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alternativel,

You are incorrigible, Frank "Special Case" Schnittger.
< pick teeth, suck vigorously >
The correct locution is "micro-agression.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Sat Sep 9th, 2017 at 02:40:16 PM EST
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It looks more like a nano-agression to me.
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Sat Sep 9th, 2017 at 02:59:41 PM EST
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The line between common courtesy and poor taste may not exist depending on to whom one address oneself.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Sat Sep 9th, 2017 at 03:58:19 PM EST
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A shooter squatting, guns blazing?

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sat Sep 9th, 2017 at 12:07:21 AM EST
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< squint >

(drove the crew at calculatedrisk mad)

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Sat Sep 9th, 2017 at 02:42:30 PM EST
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rather amusing, considering the medium by which so many communicate ... something ... relies on emojis, memes, likes, and up/down voting.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Sat Sep 9th, 2017 at 02:50:33 PM EST
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Would Monsieur Le Chat like to tell us what he sees in it? ;)
Does 'squint' mean you have trouble seeing the shooter?
Seems horribly obvious to me but then that's why I need a lot of therapy!

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sun Sep 10th, 2017 at 07:37:13 PM EST
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Barnier has specifically signalled that the Irish Border will be treated as a special case and cannot be used as a trojan horse for the EU-UK border in general.
"The UK wants the EU to suspend the application of its laws, its Customs Union, and its Single Market at what will be a new external border of the EU. And the UK wants to use Ireland as a kind of test case for the future EU-UK customs relations. This will not happen."

---<snip>---

It insists, as Mr Barnier has repeatedly done, that it is the responsibility of the UK to spell out such solutions and "ensure that its approach to the challenges of the Irish Border in the context of its withdrawal from the European Union takes into account and protects the very specific and interwoven political, economic, security, societal and agricultural context and frameworks on the island of Ireland".

Ensuring the avoidance of a hard border on the island of Ireland is central to protecting the gains of the peace process underpinned by the Belfast Agreement, the paper argues. It accepts that a new border arrangement on the island will be unique in the EU, but insists these solutions must respect the proper functioning of the internal market and the Customs Union, as well the integrity and effectiveness of the EU's legal order.

Mr Barnier said that he was personally and politically deeply committed to the Irish strand of the talks, a commitment, he said that went back to discussion in the mid-90s with "Nobel winners" John Hume and David Trimble who had impressed on him their sense of the importance of the EU engagement to the peace process.



Index of Frank's Diaries
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Thu Sep 7th, 2017 at 06:24:23 PM EST
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You Brexit, you fix it
Under the so-called `transparency' rules, the Commission publishes the minutes of its weekly meetings but always with a big delay, which gives the hapless spokesperson the chance to claim that the context has changed in the meantime.

heh
[Barnier] added the UK appears to be going backwards on agreeing on a financial settlement and said he was worried about the UK's paper on Ireland and Northern Ireland, because, in his words, London wants to use Ireland as a kind of test case for the future EU-UK customs relations.

"This will not happen," Barnier said. In its new position, the Commission makes it clear that the solution to the Irish border problem is strictly Britain's responsibility.

EURACTIV asked an Irish diplomat what he thought. He commented that it was up to the UK to propose a workable solution. "You Brexit, you fix it", he said. They created Brexit after all (although it was EURACTIV that indirectly coined it).

Who ya gonna bet on? Barnier or ... Patrick Smyth?

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Thu Sep 7th, 2017 at 10:39:30 PM EST
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Patrick Smyth, Irish Times Europe correspondent?

Index of Frank's Diaries
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Fri Sep 8th, 2017 at 04:32:17 PM EST
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You betcha! The very one whose article titled Do not use Irish Border as test case for EU-UK border, says Barnier to which you refer: "Barnier has specifically signalled that the Irish Border will be treated as a special case  ...

Fear not, Frank! Unity is in hand! The Republic has already priced it -- the true "special case"!

Irish PM warns turning goodwill into border solution looks `extremely difficult' June 2017

"From my meetings in Brussels and elsewhere, there is a real understanding of the issues that are unique to Ireland, a sympathy for us and a lot of goodwill," Varadkar told a conference."
[...]
Varadkar, who took over from Enda Kenny as prime minister this month, maintained his predecessor's view that Dublin would ask the EU for specific assistance in dealing with the economic fallout from Brexit.

Ireland's top civil servant overseeing Brexit planning said last month one of the areas being examined was a potential exemption from EU state aid rules, enabling Ireland to provide financial support to companies adversely affected by Brexit.



Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Sat Sep 9th, 2017 at 09:46:09 PM EST
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I knew Patrick Smyth vaguely in college.  He was never a member of Sinn Fein or various republican organisations. and his ambitions do not stretch to Irish unity.

Survival is the name of the game for the Irish agrifood sector at the moment, already struggling with 20% plus Sterling devaluation. As Barnier himself said, there are no winners from Brexit (except perhaps the European financial services industries).  All else is damage limitation and risk mitigation.

Ireland, in and of itself is not important enough to swing a Brexit deal one way or the other as far as the UK or the EU is concerned. The positive flip side of that, is that it is not big enough in the context of the EU as a whole, to prevent the adoption of a "temporary" solution which may be anomalous in the broader context - so long as any such solution does not have major implications for other EU members.

In that context, private and small trader cross border trade is not material. Using the border as a back door to facilitate major EU/UK trade bypassing tariffs and other controls would be. Allowing the first while preventing the second is the trick that has to be performed. A combination of Certificates of origin, trusted traders, online pre-clearance procedures, number plate recognition cameras, customs spot checks, and customs controls at all Irish ports and airports may accomplish it. But I wouldn't expect anything to be finally agreed until the small hours of the last morning... when the lawyers have all gone to bed.

Index of Frank's Diaries

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Sun Sep 10th, 2017 at 05:09:49 PM EST
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PS - I would regard any such "solution" to be less problematic for the EU than relaxing state aid rules -which could create all sorts of unwanted precedented for other EU countries.

Index of Frank's Diaries
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Sun Sep 10th, 2017 at 05:13:05 PM EST
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You Brexit, you fix it
Under the so-called `transparency' rules, the Commission publishes the minutes of its weekly meetings but always with a big delay, which gives the hapless spokesperson the chance to claim that the context has changed in the meantime.

heh
[Barnier] added the UK appears to be going backwards on agreeing on a financial settlement and said he was worried about the UK's paper on Ireland and Northern Ireland, because, in his words, London wants to use Ireland as a kind of test case for the future EU-UK customs relations.

"This will not happen," Barnier said. In its new position, the Commission makes it clear that the solution to the Irish border problem is strictly Britain's responsibility.

EURACTIV asked an Irish diplomat what he thought. He commented that it was up to the UK to propose a workable solution. "You Brexit, you fix it", he said. They created Brexit after all (although it was EURACTIV that indirectly coined it).

Who ya gonna bet on? Barnier or ... Patrick Smyth?

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Thu Sep 7th, 2017 at 10:39:51 PM EST
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