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In the USA the referendum was a product of the Progressive Movement around the turn of the 19/20th Century. As Prop. 13 in California has shown they can also be used for great mischief by conservatives. I don't know how that would translate to Ireland.
 

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by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sun Oct 1st, 2017 at 02:32:48 AM EST
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The Eight Amendment is a prime example of such mischief, being a pre-emptive strike by the Catholic Church fearing the growth of "liberal values" in Ireland, they sought to entrench their dogma into the Constitution even though their was no legal abortion in Ireland then anyway, or likely to happen in the near future...

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Sun Oct 1st, 2017 at 09:30:26 AM EST
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The progressive movement (the political party) in California for Californians.

It is not trivial to remind, this analogy fails at the national, or federal, level of US government unless one is prepared to equate the sovereignty of each and every US state to the sovereignty of each and every European state --especially concerning determination of US states' constitutions.

Art. IV, Sec. 4

The US does not permit national referenda; public, or plenary, referenda is not a mechanism of national legislation USC or US Constitution. And let me emphasize the barriers to effecting introduction of and alterations to US public law by petition, from beginning to end, are manifold, ie. the US Congress itself.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Sun Oct 1st, 2017 at 02:29:47 PM EST
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So what The Spanish don't permit them either, but it's happening. The question would be what would happen on the ground if California actually had such a referendum?  Would the army move in to stop it? Would the Fed simply crash the California economy? Would they vote for independence and then have everybody ignore it? (Like Staten Ireland).
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Sun Oct 1st, 2017 at 06:31:58 PM EST
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I think the difference as to whether they are or are not legal is the difference between 'legally binding' and being 'bound by law' - as in the police putting one in custody, legal or not.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sun Oct 1st, 2017 at 08:15:54 PM EST
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more like the Autonomous Republic of Crimea, yo.
(that's AINO)

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Mon Oct 2nd, 2017 at 12:47:30 AM EST
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