Which direction to you see her spinning?

Clockwise, and only clockwise.   12 votes - 35 %
Clockwise at first, but then I can see her change directions if I concentrate.   15 votes - 44 %
Anti-clockwise at first, but then I can see her change directions if I concentrate.   4 votes - 11 %
Anti-clockwise (also known as counter-clockwise), and only anti-clockwise.   3 votes - 8 %
She's moving?   0 votes - 0 %
 
34 Total Votes
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That quote seems to be topical. No idea who the writer is so feel free to point out the error of my ways again!

Only home for 5 minutes from a meeting half way across the country and now off out for subtitled cinema! It's that rubbish film, 'Knocked Up', though... but, subtitles. At the cinema. A rare treat.

I hope you've all had a good day...

Ad astra per aspera

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 12:40:56 PM EST
H.L. Mencken -- Wikipedia is your friend!

Not more knocked-up commie space cockroaches? Chocolate ones?

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 01:07:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Chocolate ones?

One more entry in the log of "Things I really wish I'd never Googled."


"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."

by poemless on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 01:17:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]
perhaps they are edible after eating Miracle fruit than just coating them with chocolate.

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 01:31:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]
should be,  "rather than just coating them with chocolate."

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 01:32:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 02:20:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I see the U.S. budget deficit came in at a five year year low at $163 billion and the trade deficit for August was at a 7 month low.
The currency market doesn't seem to be too impressed. One dollar buys 70.3 euro cents. Woe is me!

I told Bush; don't play chess with the freakin' Russians.
by LEP (rafifoon@yahoo.com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 01:00:43 PM EST
I know I'm not a financial expert but everything I read says things are gonna get a lot worse for a long time. Probably need to move cash into euros right now.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 01:03:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]
My cash is all long moved and in euros. But those are reserves for the future. My income, which I would like to cover my expenses, is all in dollars.

I told Bush; don't play chess with the freakin' Russians.
by LEP (rafifoon@yahoo.com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 01:16:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Drove halfway around london to see if I could find a left hand drive car for my move to Bulgaria. It's odd because some people say LH cars are cheaper in the UK whilst others say they're cheaper elsewhere. Anybody know anything definitive ?

Anyway my task failed. I may have to change my ideas about how much I can spend cos I'm really not finding anything in the price range I wanted. Or I am but it's moon distance milage, really ratty etc etc.

anyway, on a brighter note, the deal on my flat is due to go through either tomorrow or monday.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 01:01:28 PM EST
Do you have army-dumps in the UK? Here in Belgium sometimes we can buy good jeeps or vans....

The struggle of man against tyranny is the struggle of memory against forgetting.(Kundera)
by Elco B (elcob at scarlet dot be) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 02:53:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]
No, I'm not aware of any. But surely ex-army stuff has been run into the ground ?

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 02:55:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Well used, yes, but usually very well maintained.

And given your requirements for a solid 4WD it's worth a thought.

I've only heard of Witham, but I'm sure there are other sources:

http://www.witham-sv.com/tender/lots.php

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 03:35:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]
If you can find a place, the government is absolutely paranoid about selling a dangerous vehicle off, so they are usually fully serviced before being sold off.

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 03:45:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Of course, having slept on it, I realise that hte British MoD will only have RH drive cars. No use whatsoever.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Oct 12th, 2007 at 06:11:56 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Off to hear Steven Pinker on The Stuff of Thought. If they're selling the book I'll probably get a signed copy.

We have met the enemy, and it is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 01:05:00 PM EST
In May 2006 I wrote this diary: Racism in Flanders (Belgium) about racist murders in Antwerp.

The trial of the murderer was in the headlines of the news here every day. Today we have a verdict.

flandersnews.be - Hans Van Themsche found guilty

Thu 11/10/07 - The jury of the Antwerp Court of Assizes has found Hans Van Themsche guilty on all counts. Last year in a racist frenzy he went on the rampage and shot two people dead. A third person was badly injured.

The jury ruled that Van Themsche was accountable and knew what he was doing.

It added that his acts were driven by racist motives.

This is the first time in Belgian legal history that a defendant has been found guilty of murder motivated by racism.

The Belgian Government's anti-racism centre has welcomed the outcome.

The centre's lawyer Tom De Meester yesterday said that the jury's verdict had enormous social importance.

He added:"The jury has made it clear that racism cannot be tolerated.

flandersnews.be - Life for Hans Van Themsche

Thu 11/10/07 - The 19-year-old Hans Van Themsche, who killed two people and injured a third in a racist frenzy will serve a life sentence. On Thursday the jury of the Antwerp Court of Assizes together with the three magistrates decided that the youngster would serve the heaviest possible sentence.


The struggle of man against tyranny is the struggle of memory against forgetting.(Kundera)
by Elco B (elcob at scarlet dot be) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 01:50:21 PM EST
Russian press pokes fun at Sarkozy after visit - Yahoo! News

...
 Almost every newspaper began their reports of Wednesday meetings between Sarkozy and Putin with Sarkozy happily telling his host of finally achieving his dream of waking to see Red Square -- a story that appeared to leave Putin cold.

"It remains unknown whether Putin has had any such experience and whether he could truly understand his guest's feelings," the state Rossiyskaya Gazeta daily said.

The Kommersant and Izvestia dailies meanwhile irreverently wondered how Sarkozy's dream had come true, noting that the National Hotel where Sarkozy stayed did not afford the view.

The Kommersant newspaper concluded that he must have slept in a bar on Red Square.



The struggle of man against tyranny is the struggle of memory against forgetting.(Kundera)
by Elco B (elcob at scarlet dot be) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 02:17:35 PM EST
If I may be serious for a moment, the psychology behind all of this is absolutely fascinating.  I don't even know where to begin.  I'm not going to psychoanalyze Putin, but it's ironic how the media chides him for acting like a Tsar but themselves act like gossipy courtiers going on about where a vistor slept last night and what jokes were told...

And to return from seriousness, I'm sure the look on Putin's face after Sarko mused about waking up in the kremlin was just deliciously cold.  hehehe

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."

by poemless on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 02:55:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Can you psychoanalyse this picture?

Hint: Sarko was wearing 5 cm high heels.      



The struggle of man against tyranny is the struggle of memory against forgetting.(Kundera)
by Elco B (elcob at scarlet dot be) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 03:13:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]
What kind of 5cm high heels?
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 03:29:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Maybe this kind:



"Ne te courbe que pour aimer..." René Char

by Melanchthon on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 03:47:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Guess this is why Sarko looks so pained in that picture!
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 03:49:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]
well if it is those shoes, he's probably wrestling with Izzy for them just out of shot

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 03:59:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]
He should have just worn boots and some fashionable denim. Then again I don't have a Napoleon complex.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 04:06:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]


"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."
by poemless on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 03:47:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]
During the presidential campaign, Le Canard Enchaîné pointed out he was wearing 10cm ones... have his ego-propping needs diminished?

Auferre, trucidare, rapere, falsis nominibus imperium; atque, ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 07:09:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Presenting... The Axis of Evil Cookbook:

   
   
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by Gill Partington

When they're not actively attempting to develop weapons of mass destruction, 'Axis of Evil' countries such as Iraq, Iran and North Korea are busy enjoying their region's finest dishes. And their 'Axis of Somewhat Evil' cohorts, such as Cuba and Syria, are at it too. With over one hundred recipes, from soups and salads to meat dishes and desserts, this unique cookbook includes snapshots of each country as well as profiles of famous leaders. Regional recipes appear alongside dictators' favourite dishes - from Kim Jong-Il's ruthless appetite for shark fin soup to Saddam's celebrated rack of fresh roasted gazelle. Full of cultural anecdotes, political insight and delectable recipes, "The Axis of Evil Cookbook" is an intriguing and forbidden treat.

REVIEWS:
'Both tasteless and edifying.' Valentine Pickle

Hat tip to The Arabist, who says it's already available on Amazon.co.uk, but not the US version....

Perhaps not an original idea, though, or maybe the author had an earlier online version; I found this, apparently dating back to January of 2004.

by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 03:02:19 PM EST
I hope it includes mazgouf....
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 03:04:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]
The 'original' Axis of Evil Cookbook (a free copyleft download) was a follow-up to nthposition's 100 Poets Against the War series of anthologies, which were also free and copyleft.
by valstevenson (val@kill_all_spam_nthposition.com) on Wed Oct 24th, 2007 at 11:19:22 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Hey, everyone, come join in on the "Pile on the stupid Economist" hoe-down!

First off,

Russia Blog has given it's "Shoe Award" (I think this is how Creationists say "you suck the most) to ...

The Economist.

The recent conspiracy yarn produced by The Economist entitled, "Russia Under Putin: The Making of a Neo-KGB State," is at best a Bond movie starring George Lazenby. More amazing still is the fact that just a few months ago, Dr. Daniel Thorniley, a prominent Russia expert and the Vice President of The Economist's own consulting wing-- the Economist Intelligence Unit (EIU)--castigated The Wall Street Journal and CNN, for their bizarro take on Russia:
"More rubbish is written and spoken about Russia than any other country on the planet Earth."
Incongruously, the timeline-challenged article noted above makes The Economist sound less like the EIU and more like quacktogenarian Lyndon LaRouche and his hyperbolic Executive Intelligence Review. Meanwhile, Exile.ru does a fantastic job of debunking their lies in the highly-recommended critique "The Economist: The World's Sleaziest Magazine". The article includes great insights, such as:

"Let's leave aside for now the very strange decision to anchor an anti-silovik story to Kondaurov - a former KGB general who was a top Yukos executive (respect to the PR firm that helped arrange that)."
As one Russian reader e-mailed to Russia Blog upon reading The Economist piece:

"These KGB guys were the only educated adults left who didn't hijack the money wagon in the 90s. But think about it, who else in that age group is qualified to manage the country? Even Saint Khodorkovsky had KGB guys on his payroll. Many are highly educated, multi-lingual managers, left without jobs, but taught to aim high. Still, if you meet a lot of the old KGB guys, it is sort of like meeting Ivy League graduates. They are less impressive up close and it's hard to believe that any of them could organize anything much larger than a dinner party..."
Again, we are pleased to present this year's Shoe Award to The Economist. As a further token of goodwill, we are providing you with a free copy of Executive Intelligence Review, which is evidently not in heavily circulation in London. Apparently, The Economist seems to have cornered their market niche these days.

Here's he article in the Economist that really got their goat.  

The making of a neo-KGB state

Here's that fab article from the eXile, should any of you have recently appeared from your cave.

The Economist: The World's Sleaziest Magazine

Apparently all this attention has forced the Economist to ... get ready for this folks ... make, in Bob Amsterdam's words, "a long-overdue call to jettison the language of the democracy debate."  

That's right.  They are so pissed with RUSSIA being a democracy while they are trying to promote democracy, they are swearing off the word democracy altogether.  Oh, also, there is some Euro-bashing in there too.

The end of "democracy"

They say:
Democracy all too often means buying votes, rigging elections and mob rule.

Whoever can dig up the most quotes from the Economist touting democracy gets a pony!

Oh, and by the way, Bob, it's not long overdue.  I wrote about this a year and a half ago.  gah!  grrrrr....

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."

by poemless on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 03:25:41 PM EST
Just saw this on Dkos - fascinating!

Right Brain v Left Brain | Herald Sun

THE Right Brain vs Left Brain test ... do you see the dancer turning clockwise or anti-clockwise?

If clockwise, then you use more of the right side of the brain and vice versa.

Most of us would see the dancer turning anti-clockwise though you can try to focus and change the direction; see if you can do it.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 03:29:14 PM EST
My brother sent me that yesterday.

I'm left-brained, acc'd to this.  But I can easily see it move in either direction.

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."

by poemless on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 03:41:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I simply cannot make it go anti-clockwise. I like the fact that I'm a "feelings" person who obviously never uses logic.

Wee bit black and white methinks.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 03:43:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]
At first, I couldn't see it turn anti-clockwise either. Then I focused on a detail like her foot's shadow and it started to turn anti-clockwise.

Funnily, when I clicked on it to save it, it changed direction. I suppose focusing on a logical/technical task made my left brain kick in..

"Ne te courbe que pour aimer..." René Char

by Melanchthon on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 03:51:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]
very strange....at first she span clockwise, on and on, and i thought that was going to be it, then suddenly, with no seam-moment, off she went the other way, then just as unpredictably, turned again.

what i find most interesting was to try and witness the change-over sensation in my brain, but it seems totally friction-free.

there seems to be a 60/40% preponderance to clockwise.

fascinating...

"These days, there's nothing more ridiculous than the truth." Leonard Pitts Jr

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 06:33:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I don't understand.  why didn't she kick the ball in the goal?

Skennah Kowa
by Crazy Horse on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 06:57:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]
At first I thought:

"If you watch the dancer's bouncing foot you'll see (I think) that the image slowly changes and then reverses direction."

But I watched and...no change.  Then I looked away and back: she's dancing the other way!

Then, if I looked at the text on the left and not the picture I could catch the shifts--and then I pondered how it worked, watched the text and kept the image on the periphery of my vision--the image seemed to be skating along, wobbling the way those speed skaters do.

And then, I could even get the image--for a moment or two--to turn one way and then the other.  Very clever!

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 03:48:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I have to say (for the sake of science) that she was dancing clockwise first time I watched--and then I made (my brain watch) her go the other way.

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.
by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 03:57:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Family test: We all saw her dancing clockwise to start with.

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.
by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 04:13:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Yep, and havent answered yet because I still can't make her spin the other way.

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 04:21:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Look at the text, not the picture (that's my suggestion.)

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.
by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 04:31:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]
nope, still definitely only clockwise.

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 04:54:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]
It's like those 3D pictures...until I could see them I thought there was some big conspiracy where everyone was saying they saw something that wasn't there.

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.
by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 04:56:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Aha, put my hand over most of the picture till I could only see the foot and the shadow, and suddenly POP, took my hand away and for a couple of seconds it turned the other way, til I thought "Wow it does actually work" then I "saw the whole thing and pop it was gone.

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 05:02:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I've looked at it about 4 separate times now.  3 times I immediately saw clockwise, the 4th I saw anti-clockwise first.  Mostly I can refocus and swap directions but it was harder to do when I got very tired. Good to see everyone has been well entertained in my absence!

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 09:21:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I had the same exact experience.  She was going clockwise at first, and I tried consciously to make her go the other way, and it didn't work at all.  But I looked away at the text, and there was a bounce or a blink, and when I looked back she was going the other way.

Which led me to believe that it's a trick -- maybe the image changes?  It doesn't make sense otherwise.

I looked at it for while longer, looked away a few times, watched her switch directions a few more times, and this time paid attention to whether she was standing on her left leg or her right.  And that changes too, so I still thought the image itself must change.

But now I've stared at it a good long time, and I've been able to actually focus enough to see her switch directions a lot more often, almost but not entirely whenever I want to.

I am still not convinced that the image doesn't change at some point, though, because I can't see both images at the same time, and usually with these perception-switching tricks I can.

by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 04:21:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I checked the file. No trick. It's a short loop.

I also tried it on an assortment of willing victims, who all saw something different. At the same time.

Clockwise for me, by default, but I can make her switch by looking at her lower foot.

Trying to make her switch by looking at her arms made me feel ill.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 04:24:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Yeah, lower foot works for me too.
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 04:28:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I don't think the image changes.  It's all in the feet, and what you concentrate on, I think.  If I look at the lowest shadow that comes in and out of the frame, she moves clockwise, but if I look at the foot in the center of the bottom of the image and look up, she moves counter-clockwise.  That how I make it change.

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."
by poemless on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 04:30:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]
So far we're all seeing clockwise.  Any anti-clockwise people around?  (If there are none, that would suggest that ET is strongly one way--and I'd like to see a scientific explanation of how the image works...any links much appreciated!  Thing is, in the text of the article it states: "Most of us would see the dancer turning anti-clockwise.")


Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.
by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 04:35:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Well, I think it goes without saying that the denizens of ET are not most people. :-)

(Although for sitemeter purposes, some possibly might wish that they were....)

I think the count is one anti-clockwise and everyone else clockwise, so far.

by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 04:37:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I think we're all clockwise so far.  Did I miss a comment?

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.
by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 04:49:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]
All of mine.

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."
by poemless on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 04:50:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I mean, to clarify, when I first see it it is always going counter clockwise. But I can also see it go clockwise if I want to.

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."
by poemless on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 04:52:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Ah!  Yes!

(I just checked: she was going counter clockwise in your honour.)

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 04:59:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I can only see it counter clockwise. I'm left handed if that has anything to do with it.

I told Bush; don't play chess with the freakin' Russians.
by LEP (rafifoon@yahoo.com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 05:02:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Are there any brain specialists aroung?



Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 05:09:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]
a dog sniffing something on the ground?

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 07:14:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Do you ask that because you can't find your dalmatian in the picture?

"Ne te courbe que pour aimer..." René Char
by Melanchthon on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 07:19:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I ask because I see a dalmation oblivious to the fact that it is about to be eaten by a huge snake.

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.
by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 07:22:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Counter-clockwise at first. Took me some time, but now I can change from one view to the other pretty fast.

"If you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles." Sun Tzu
by Turambar (sersguenda at hotmail com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 11:05:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Thing is, in the text of the article it states: "Most of us would see the dancer turning anti-clockwise."
Ah, but we all know that ET is not populated by the most common elements. Tomorrow I will make everyone at work look at this thing. A whole pile of scientists and engineers. It shall be most interesting to see if they all fall within the easy expectation of 'left-brained', or if there are other things afoot, and the kind of work that we do in fact requires/benefits from a large amount of 'right-brain' creativity.
by someone (s0me1smail(a)gmail(d)com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 04:42:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I'm wondering if there's a bias towards "right brain"--maybe from the designers.  If they say "most people see anti-clockwise" but, in fact, most people see "clockwise", then most people will feel special--plus right brain is sorta associated with seeing the big picture, tuning into emotions, and other elements that I think most humans would like to think they are good at.

So...

Er...

Don't forget to report back!

(And anyone with links to those who designed this--mucho appreciatum!)

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 04:46:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]
huh.  I guess I'm not part of "we all."  Fine, have your little clique.  

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."
by poemless on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 04:49:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Oh oh! Let's not alienate out anti-clockwise contignent! Maybe we need some ET Equality directive, forbidding discrimination based on brain-sidedness?
by someone (s0me1smail(a)gmail(d)com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 04:57:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I'll draft one up. You'll each need to draft your own for implementation and compliance within your own countries though.

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 09:22:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Clockwise is the only thing I'm getting. I'm left-handed, I wonder how or if that factors in?

"The basis of optimism is sheer terror" - Oscar Wilde
by NordicStorm on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 06:11:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]
how about eye dominance? I'm right eye dominant and it goes clockwise

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 06:21:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]
No luck.  I'm left-eyed, and it goes clockwise first for me too.
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 06:30:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Oh, I'm left eye dominant as well.  We have SO much in common.

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 09:24:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Hah! For me, it goes clockwise. Took me a while to make it change directions at all. Which is quite funny, because all my life I have been very good at logic, math, science, etc. Huh. I guess I'm in the wrong field!
OMG! Maybe I'm a left-brained person trapped in a right-brained head! Or, um, the other way around? Which way does it go, again?
by someone (s0me1smail(a)gmail(d)com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 03:59:51 PM EST
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You are a whole-brain person trapped in a split-brain world--and your whole brain decided that at a certain point in time it was more useful to earn life credits (aka money or equivalents) by developing some left brain skills.  (But the right brain is in first--I think that's  why it makes a difference which direction you see first.)

Now I want to know who designed the image and how they explain the mechanism.

I think it is to do with assuming direction to a black shape--the shape is two D but we assume solidity, so one half of the brain assumes a certain spin....

...uh oh...I just thought of quantum mechanics and that means I'll be leapt upon by left-brain types.

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 04:05:25 PM EST
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I originally saw it turn counter clockwise, but I suck at math and enjoy creative and sensual pursuits.  However, I soon saw it turn clockwise, and began making it go both ways.

I've just decided I'm ambicerebral.  If that's a word...

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."

by poemless on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 04:09:39 PM EST
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Clockwise, clockwise, clockwise...

Until I concentrated only on the foot she pivots on, and there was a shift and she was going anti-clockwise. It soon went back to clockwise though.

<cough> Does this really prove anything?

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 04:26:00 PM EST
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Uh, I doubt it.
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 04:29:06 PM EST
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It proves something about the brain.  But what?

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.
by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 04:35:58 PM EST
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The struggle of man against tyranny is the struggle of memory against forgetting.(Kundera)
by Elco B (elcob at scarlet dot be) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 04:40:17 PM EST
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She's going to be very dizzy.
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 04:41:47 PM EST
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Nope, I am.

The struggle of man against tyranny is the struggle of memory against forgetting.(Kundera)
by Elco B (elcob at scarlet dot be) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 04:53:10 PM EST
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Hey, I can make her spin left-right-left-right if I blink in time!

Ach, now I can't.

I have to look away from the image, though, to make it change--or else (and so it's a brain thing) if I lose concentration she reverts...

....I can see her foot going around as I type...it's going anti-clockwise...and I can make it flip!

one thing happens and then the other: somehow the brain is choosing to see A before B; with the flip it sees B before A and the direction changes.

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 04:54:57 PM EST
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Definitely clock-wise for me.

We have met the enemy, and it is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 04:58:14 PM EST
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Is there an equivalent comments section for another blog where they're all typing:

"Yep, definitely counter clockwise for me."

and there's a lone voice saying,

"Well I see it going clockwise."

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 05:01:58 PM EST
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Well we're mostly going to the left, it's probably a tory site where everyones going right.

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 05:03:33 PM EST
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Whereas Poemless being to the left of all of us, is just trying to stay balanced ;-)

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 05:05:11 PM EST
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OMG.  Am I so far to the left that I'm on the right?!!  Help!!  

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."
by poemless on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 05:08:17 PM EST
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Thing is, I see spinning "clockwise" as spinning to the right...because I imagine a start point at the back (or at twelve) and the movement is...to the right, though if you start at the front (or at six) the movement is to the left.  

I think that means you are so far to the left you're to the right, or you're so far to the right you're to the left, or, um, you grew up with clocks that ran backwards?

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 05:12:41 PM EST
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Well, to make an honest confession...

The only thing I really failed at in school was learning to tell time.  (I grew up with digital clocks.)  I stayed after school and cried in the 3rd grade because I just couldn't understand how to tell time.  I failed a test.  I had intensive all night study sessions with my father.  Eventually I figured it out, but for a while everyone was freaking out because I was in all these gifted kids classes but couldn't tell time.  It was my dirty little secret.

No clue if there is connection there.

I think my head might just be on wrong.

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."

by poemless on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 05:28:19 PM EST
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I saw her going anti-clockwise first, too, and almost had a fight with Migeru about this. Poemless, I am horrible at telling directions but always within about ten minutes telling time no matter how long away from a clock I've been, so I don't think there is any relation between these two.

I saw an earlier comment about 3D pics. You can train your brain to see these things faster. If you give me a 3D pic I am able to see what it is in less than five seconds. I just simply go cross-eyed and stare through the picture, and let the rest assemble itself. I love them. I can do a similar thing with different patterns, like upholstery on an airplane seat (yep, I can make it 3D!!!) I used the same principle while looking at this spinning woman... and it works! She started switching, like a pendulum. Slaloming, really. Try it!

"If you cannot say what you have to say in twenty minutes, you should go away and write a book about it." Lord Brabazon

by Barbara on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 05:48:55 PM EST
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Thanks!

Yes, I can do those 3D pictures easily too (once I figured them out), and I do the same with patterns!!  Curtains, shadows, graphic patterns have provided hours of dissociative pastime for me.  It's almost like pulling focus on a camera, really.  

Yay.  I'm not insane.  

So, perhaps it has more to do with the ability to shift perspective (literally and figuratively) easily than with being "right" or "left" brained?  Interestingly, I would associate that skill with the "creative" mind and not the "logical" one.  

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."

by poemless on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 05:58:33 PM EST
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Yes, I agree. I share your enthusiasm about not being insane :D!

Easily shifting focus is probably well said. I think it might be caused by easier communication between left and right brain that women have (the corpus callosum works better for us, apparently. Migeru reminded me of my psychology classes ;), credit to him.)

So maybe this little experiment shows that we are actually using both sides of the brain fairly well??? :) (Nothing wrong with a bit of ego-boosting on this apparently very right-brained blog... LOL)


"If you cannot say what you have to say in twenty minutes, you should go away and write a book about it." Lord Brabazon

by Barbara on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 06:25:59 PM EST
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I think it might be caused by easier communication between left and right brain that women have...

Scientific proof that this site has a male bias?   lol.

So maybe this little experiment shows that we are actually using both sides of the brain fairly well???

Like I said, I'm going with "ambi-cerebral."  (I thought I'd just made up this term, but some googling -yes, I can google, Mig- reveals its previous, though I suspect illegitimate, existence.)


"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."

by poemless on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 06:34:38 PM EST
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It's not that ET is a right-brained blog, it's that most of the left-brainers are deeply involved in discussions about economic this and financial that and haven't noticed the "Open Thread" (or the face among the beans.)

The fact that Chris noticed--after having no doubt read and commented on economic this and financial that--explains his reaction to the image.

The fact that those who have looked have tried to see it spinning the other way shows we are eager to learn.

The fact that more than one of us suspected that the image had been manipulated in some way shows that some of us have a latent susception to conspiracy theories.  

Which we will try and debunk, of course.

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 07:01:45 PM EST
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So...which way are these turning?



Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 06:15:27 PM EST
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Iknew this one .. it is great.. and absolutely icnredible..

i see it both ways. depending ont hem oment ... it is very nice..

but again is about the primary visual cortex... and noone is so stupid to claim that it has to do with something about the right or left brain...

a pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 06:24:13 PM EST
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Well, I guess I am stupid enough... ;(
(Runs away, crying).

"If you cannot say what you have to say in twenty minutes, you should go away and write a book about it." Lord Brabazon
by Barbara on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 06:30:15 PM EST
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Heh, it's true: the green and red vibrate and confuse the...brain!  So it is a brain thing, but not left/right.

Here's another optical illusion.

And here's one that is definitely (they say) "right brain/left brain".

Hidden Face Illusion - Optical Illusion

Can you find the human face which is hidden in these coffee beans?

Doctors have concluded that if you can find the face in the coffee beans in 3 seconds, the right half of your brain is better developed than most people. If you find the face between 3 seconds and 1 minute, your right half of the brain is developed normally. If you find the face between 1 minute and 3 minutes, then the right half of your brain is functioning slowly and you need to eat more protein. If you have not found the face after 3 minutes, the advice is to look for more of this type of exercise to make that part of the brain stronger!

I'd say it took me about a minute and yes: there really is a face in amongst those beans!

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 06:42:35 PM EST
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there is deep stuff about that.. very deep stuff.. proejction on the visual cortex of higher cortex functions...

it is really amazing research...

I got oa two hour fullt reatment about brain implication of this kind of visual perceptions..a dn the reaction times to them...

And I have also read simialr things ina ntrhopology about presenting the same kind of visual percetpion to different cultures with other learnt parametres of perception...

really amazing

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 06:47:49 PM EST
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Links or book titles or authors!

And your diary about magic, of course.

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 06:53:53 PM EST
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One working in Weizmann.. oo hisname.. gee.. what was his name...Amiram I think....

this is a good way to start..a s good as any other

http://www.weizmann.ac.il/brain/images/ImageGallery.html

or..

http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:yAGF13wXIA4J:www.dandavidprize.org/pr/2004_EnglishGrinvald0404. doc+weizmann+institute+brain+research+amiram&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&client=opera

A pleasrue

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Fri Oct 12th, 2007 at 10:55:36 AM EST
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About 20 seconds here...

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."
by poemless on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 06:50:29 PM EST
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Here's another colour illusion.  Look at the pink dots and they flash on and off in a clockwise motion.  Look at the cross in the centre and there's a green dot making its way round in a clockwise motion.



Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 06:51:40 PM EST
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The purple/cyan effect is the same effect as the green/red spinning disks. it's shadows in your colour perception

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 07:28:39 PM EST
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as soon as I worked out what I was meant to be looking for POP, although I spent far too long looking for the wrong thing

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 07:16:13 PM EST
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I found it in less than a second. I don't know what this means. I should have been an artist?

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 07:19:44 PM EST
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I think it means you are the reincarnation of a god from one of seven regions.  If you know the bean person--or if you realise that it is, in fact, a picture of you--then you are probably all the gods from all the seven regions.



Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 07:26:51 PM EST
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20 arms would be awesome. I'll pass on the nine heads though, I'm an easy going guy but there would still be too many arguments between myselves.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Fri Oct 12th, 2007 at 03:51:06 AM EST
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ewwww, that is actually quite freaky. Face looking up like that.

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 09:30:37 PM EST
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With how many different photos of random coffee-bean "arrangements" will this work?

We are told there's a face hidden, so we find it?

Is everyone seeing the same face?

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Oct 12th, 2007 at 02:24:45 AM EST
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I don't see a face after staring at this things for about 5mn. What kind of a face is it? Like a simple smiley, or a real face with 3d features? Where are the eyes?
by someone (s0me1smail(a)gmail(d)com) on Fri Oct 12th, 2007 at 02:33:30 AM EST
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It's a real face, not a "face shape" made by an arrangement of the beans.

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.
by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Fri Oct 12th, 2007 at 03:22:20 AM EST
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Same here. Barbara is giving me a hard time about it.

We have met the enemy, and it is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Oct 13th, 2007 at 05:30:15 AM EST
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Everyone is seeing the same face.  It is the size of 1 coffee bean.

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.
by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Fri Oct 12th, 2007 at 03:24:02 AM EST
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Where is it? Could you circle the face and post the pic??
by someone (s0me1smail(a)gmail(d)com) on Fri Oct 12th, 2007 at 03:32:25 AM EST
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count approx. 5 beans from the lower left corner! :-)
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Oct 12th, 2007 at 03:39:39 AM EST
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Got it! Thanks!!
by someone (s0me1smail(a)gmail(d)com) on