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Did she call Corbyn a fascist? Seriously?

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If a UK government really wants to have a new referendum, but still wants to respect the result of the existing one, I think it could invoke article 50, negotiate the exit-package and then have a referendum on the exit-package or withdraw the article 50 invokation.

Sure, there is actually nothing in article 50 about withdrawing invokations. But claim it is somewhere in the unwritten constitution, refer to "in accordance with its own constitutional requirements", and bet that since the EU establishment does not really want UK to leave anyways, it might just work.

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There is a quite interesting debate of this question on Verfassungsblog, partly in German, partly in English.
http://verfassungsblog.de/tag/brexit/
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National Parliaments Not Needed For CETA Approval, European Commission President Juncker Says -
European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker said today that the European Union would not include national parliaments of EU member states in the final decision on the Canada-EU Trade Agreement (CETA).

Juncker is truly our Boris Yeltsin.

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In story: Defeat from the Jaws of Victory

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Never liked Harry Potter anyway.

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The responsibility of the EU
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I like Brit-bashing as much as the next European, but...
Fintan O'Toole: How Europe's leaders can fix the union

What does the leadership of the European Union need to do to save the union?

First, show some humility. In the immediate responses to Brexit, there is no acknowledgement that this is a divorce with faults on both sides. The view from Brussels seems to be that English voters inexplicably and with no provocation walked out on a warm and loving home. But while Brexit is indeed made in England, it has component parts of EU origin. The blunt reality is that the lies and distortions of the Leave campaign were credible to a majority of voters because there are truths behind them - arrogance, complacency, bad economics, a democratic deficit that everyone recognises but that still goes unaddressed.

Does being an Eurocrat mean never having to say you're sorry? Without conceding to the wild exaggerations of the Brexiteers, the EU's leaders should acknowledge their own failures and start talking about what they themselves need to do to restore to the union the public confidence that has been lost in many more member states than the UK.

Second, lay off Greece.



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Quick subject on the Labour this morning on France24, French language channel, which is usually quite interesting. For this however, they must have lifted their material from the English language channel: The only person interviewed is... Alastair Campbell.

FRANCE 24 is SUCH rubbish

by Bernard on
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In story: Clear Leadership from the EU

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Perhaps they react this way not only because they're childish but because they fear this Brexit may end up turning out to be another gambit to change the EU.
Seeing Jungker drunkenly bitch-slapping the other EU leaders as welcome makes me wonder if the EU is on its last legs. Legless!
Draghi's doing his best to save the Italian banking system, which is emitting a sonorous death-rattle.
What a crew... Renzi, Merkel, Tusc, Jungker, Disselbloem, Hollande.
How did Europe end up like this?
The game could be up for these Eurocrats and their cosy little cabal of undemocratic cronies.
They are equally despicable, and fully deserve their cult of Mammon-uber-alles to fail.
Europe's like a senile dowager with dementia, tipsy with privilege, a rotten tree ready to crumble.
One more push from another disenchanted state... these constipated clowns do not a circus make.

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on
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Ruling Class was actually an early docu-drama.

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These considerations are the basis for a strong and coherent argument to remain. All that is left is to find the proper face to put on the decision. Probably the best is to maintain that legislation is required to trigger Article 50 and that successive attempts to pass that legislation has failed. After six months to a year of frustration have a general election.

If both the pro-business Tories and the anti-Blairite Labor can hold around 3/4 of the current membership of their parties the new government would likely also not be able to pass such a bit of legislation. This is not without risks, but it is preferable to preemptively capitulating to the UKIP and Boris. And if Labour can put forward a positive program to improve the lives of the 90% it might win the election outright.

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on
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In story: Defeat from the Jaws of Victory

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I can't think of anything more likely to secure a Tory victory in a possible election than handing the Labour party back to the Blairites.
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Well - as I keep saying, we need our own media.

The heart-warming thing about the Guardian coverage is how much it reads like a press release from the Politburo - insinuation of disobedience, and emphasis that continuing disobedience by voters and their chosen representative will not be tolerated.

Truly, plebs, you have no alternative.

Also heart-warming is the way that Angela Eagle is being touted, which immediately suggests that either she has become a collaborator, or she has always been one.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on
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Oops - didn't see DoDo's comment.

Feel free to delete.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on
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Suspect? Ya think?

The Manufactured Labour Coup

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(which isn't saying much)
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I've heard debate is far more informed there than elsewhere...
by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on
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I'd think the problem with that is the age of the people in the lords is the age of people most likely to vote out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on
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he was photographed wearing an orange bra and snorting cocaine in the company of a prostitute....

I ask y'all, who among us?

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on
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God, these bastards know how to live, don't they?

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This is precisely a question that interests me- the role of the House of Lords. It appears the Lords are used on occasion to get the commons off the hook, ie a law is deliberately worded and passed so that the Lords will trash it, saving face for all. but then we need a knowledgeable Brit to weigh in on this.
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I am not surprised anymore
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by the inbuilt bias in the Bliardian.

Same as Le Monde is in the bag for the social-liberal wing of the PS, El Pais for PSOE, et c.

by John Redmond (Ladybeaterz@NolesAD.com) on
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looking at the vote distribution by education, you'd think that this was the high water mark too, every year seeing 50% of 18 year olds going to university

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on
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The Parliamentary Labour Party is vastly more Blairite than is the party base. The party should support anti- third way candidates for by-elections and the next general election. They should be busy now on this task given the uncertainty of the tenure of the current government.

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