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Agreed. I can link punditry ... and not much more.
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If you have the time, it would be great if you could re-work this comment into a diary to adorn our front page...

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on
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May has been hopeless. As expected, she has revealed herself to be an over-ambitious kook who Peter Principled herself into Number 10.

Except for near-infinite if rather nervy ambition and an authoritarian streak as wide as the M1, she has none of the skills needed for competence in politics - such as being charming and personable, intelligent, strategically gifted, and not an alien vampire from a Hollywood hell dimension overly attached to a wardrobe chosen by unemployed clowns.

If she was any more tone deaf she could be leading a boy band. The more people see, the less they like.

As one of the innumerable pundits who litter social media pointed out, the last time there was a swing this big before an election was 1945. That didn't end well for the Tories.

The scale of her inability to campaign with even the tiniest hint of competence is really quite surreal. She has been driving around the country in the battle bus - with exquisite irony, the same bus used by the Remain campaign - hosting "rallies" of literally tens of hand-picked faithful, who are all bused with her to hilariously remote locations from which the public and most of the press are excluded.

She tried to make "Strong and Stable" a talking point, but she did it so ineptly it became a viral joke.

She pigeon-holed Macron at their last meeting and tried to start a "So - about these negotiations..." conversation. He immediately said "non", and this left her completely non-plussed, as if she really hadn't expected it might be a likely response.

Of course she may still win, because too many British voters are too misinformed - and frankly too thick - not to fall for her act. There are literally tens of millions of voters whose higher brain functions are so atrophied that they have decided she will "Do the right thing", in spite the evidence suggesting that she couldn't find the right thing if someone handed it to her on a golden cushion with a "This is the right thing" label tied around it after a Wagnerian trumpet fanfare.

Will she definitely win? No one knows.

I no longer expect intelligent decisions from the British electorate - or at least not from enough of the British electorate to make a difference.

On the other hand, there has been a huge, unprecedented leap in first-time voter registrations, and most of them aren't May fans.

The Tories have been showing signs of desperation - spamming social media with ads and sending out a troll army to try to influence voters. There's a solid push to vote tactically against them - which is encouraging, but not necessarily enough.

Whatever happens, the country continues to be hopelessly fractured - the idiotically tribal mostly older, mostly poorly educated, but insufferably smug and condescending Tory faithful, at loggerheads with the mostly younger, mostly professional, more tentative and questioning cosmopolitans.

One pundit - Robert Peston - has suggested May has misread the mood. There are now enough people sick of food banks, austerity, threats to the NHS, threats to the police and other services, Brexit inflation, murdered disabled people, people who are declared fit for work who die a few weeks later, and terrorist attacks to swing the vote in favour of a less North Korean political approach.

Let's hope.

The reality is that - as usual - the result will be decided in a hundred or so marginals, and everything else is noise.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on
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If the Kushners are donating, then he's deefinitely on the plutocrat radar as a friendly. And just as Labour are discovering with the divide between the Blairites and the Corbynites, some people join the wrong party for the wrong reasons and will, over time, find themselves in the wrong place politically.

Quisling filth like Booker just need to join the GOP and be done with it

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on
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cos that's the sarcasm signifier

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on
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Russia accuses the White House of homophobia
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You can't make this stuff up. RT
The White House is under fire for omitting the name of the Prime Minister of Luxembourg's husband while captioning a picture of every other leader's spouse at the G7 Summit.

The official White House photo, posted onto its Facebook page Saturday, included the Queen of Belgium along with the other halves of leaders from the US, France, Turkey, Iceland, Slovenia, Bulgaria, Belgium, Norway and Luxembourg.

However, the photo's original caption left out Gauthier Destenay, the husband of Luxembourg Prime Minister Xavier Bettel.

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Not letting the administration off lightly, many have taken to social media to criticize the omission, saying either incompetence or downright "homophobia" was behind the snub.

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Why "almost"?
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on
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Booker is not in the GOP - though it's an understandable mistake to make.
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on
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Nothing will ever be enough for the GOP to turn on Trump. I used to think that losing elections, or at least the threat of it, wold do it. But the GOP are still winning special elections, even when their candidates  beat up journalists.

And with gerryandering on an industrial scale, I think they now feel they will never lose and so see no reason to care

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on
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I think the Guardian finds itself in a bit of difficulty; its senior editorial staff are all creatures of what Westminster imagines is the soft left.

Which mostly equates to the Blairite neoconservative attitude of being fiscally conservative with a certain level of liberal social support to ease the pain their policies inflict. Not to comfort the poor. Obviously. But just enough alms to salve their conscience.

But it's more than that. They hate Corbyn personally. Mostly they have branded him as a loser who will fail to win the election and thus doom the middle and working classes to 5 more years of Conservatism. For 2 years my FB feed has been filled with the screams of the haters telling anyone who will listen that making Corbyn leader was a betrayal of Labour's hopes.

Right now, he's doing well enough to make them choke on it. And that makes them hate him even more. Because hes stripping away their excuse and forcing them to admit that the real reason they hate him is not that he is a loser. It is that the political ideology in which they believe is that which has failed. If increasing Blairism was rewarded with fewer votes, then their bleats of "just a little more conservatism will seal the deal" stands revealed as the bullshit it always was.

He is demonstrating that their life's work was worthless. that's why they hate. Not because he's a loser, but because he isn't.

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on
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Stay in the EU or lose the UK
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The Vote Leave EU Referendum vote was, above all, an anti-establishment vote - a vote quickly and unashamedly appropriated for the Tory party by May's brazen about turn on the EU. Corbyn's much more nuanced and equivocal approach did not go down well with the baying mob.

But the more May has governed, the more it has become clear to all and sundry that she IS the establishment.  So how are those disillusioned with the status quo going to vote now? If May has achieved anything, it is the annihilation of UKIP, ably assisted by UKIP themselves.

So the Labour party, under Corbyn is once again the sole alternative anti-establishment party. I had thought the LIB Dems might mop up much of the Remain vote, but their craven collaboration with the Tories is too recent a memory for those unhappy with the status quo.

Corbyn has become, or has been made to become, the living embodiment of  the anti-establishment sentiment which animated the Brexit and Trump campaigns. No wonder the Guardian hates him. He has exposed them as the craw-thumping Tory lite party they truly are.

He will most probably not win, but he has done all an opposition leader could have done in the most difficult of circumstances.  Hopefully he will now succeed in transforming the Labour Party into something truly representing an alternative to TINA May.

Things could get really interesting if May fails to secure an overall majority - still a long shot in my view.  A coalition of Labour, the Lib Dems, SNP, (and perhaps even Sinn Fein if they took their seats) could negotiate Brexit in good faith and put the outcome of the negotiations to a second referendum - all the while promising the SNP and Sinn Fein referenda in Scotland and Northern Ireland if the Leave vote carried the day.

Conservatives and Unionists would then be faced with a clear choice - stay in the EU on renegotiated terms or lose the UK. Corbyn would also be seeking a very different EU than the Cameron negotiation - one replacing neo-liberal market dogma with a more interventionist and egalitarian EU.

A win win for both the UK and the EU.  Unfortunately most probably still a pipe dream.

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on
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Guardian mourns Corbyn's polling surge -
[May] presumes her credentials to do the top job speak for themselves. But she does not have a long record of achievement to justify that confidence. The Tories have gambled everything on the effectiveness of their messenger. They need a more substantial message.
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Guardian mourns Corbyn's polling surge -
   "It was always going to be the case that the polls would narrow during the course of the campaign, as Labour's policies received greater media exposure, but the YouGov poll implies that public opinion is more volatile."

It sounds almost as though the Guardian, which has been denigrating Corbyn since his election as Labour leader nearly two years ago (along with the rest of the British media), does not want him to win. Let's put that another way. It's almost as though Britain's only supposedly left-liberal newspaper would prefer that May and the Conservatives won. This, let us remind ourselves, is the same Conservative party that has made the once-surging, far-right UKIP party largely redundant by adopting many of its ugliest policies.

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I'll have to see those words....

Going for the retard defense I see.

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In story: Open Thread 15 - 21 May

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Guardian - Christian Christenson - Right-wing provocateurs say they are being silenced. Cry me a river

There is a delicious irony when free market zealots become victims of the very system they celebrate. When those who pontificated about the evils of the "nanny state" and the genius of consumer choice and the "invisible hand" suddenly realize that consumers don't like them any more, and that the invisible hand is about to yank them out of their position of power. When the market tells them: "You know what? You're losing us money. We couldn't care less what you did or how much you made for us yesterday. Get lost."

Of course, it is "leftists" and "liberals" who are most often accused of not being tough enough to survive in the dog-eat-dog world of capitalism. Lefty "snowflakes" need the warm embrace of the state to compensate for their inability to cut it in the real world. They need "entitlements" and welfare. They need laws to protect them.

Yet when arch-capitalists such as Bill O'Reilly, Katie Hopkins and Sean Hannity find themselves at the receiving end of corporate savagery, their reactions speak volumes. Sermons about the reign of the consumer disappear, replaced by hysterical accusations of conspiracies, political correctness gone wild and cowardly corporate censorship.



by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on
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Delusion setting : 11

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Guardian - Carole Cadwallader - Revealed: Tory `dark' ads targeted voters' Facebook feeds in Welsh marginal seat

The Observer has obtained a series of Conservative party attack ads sent to voters last week in the key marginal constituency of Delyn, north Wales. Activists captured the ads using dummy Facebook accounts after finding that their own ad - encouraging young people to register to vote - were being "drowned out" by the Tory ads.

The Conservatives have refused to supply examples of adverts the party is sending to individual voters on Facebook, despite growing concern over unregulated online election activity.

Following a series of articles in the Observer concerning the use of data by Vote Leave and Leave.EU during last year's referendum, the Information Commissioner's Office has launched a wide-ranging investigation over possible breaches of UK data laws.



by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on
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And more on that subject, with examples;-

Vox Political - Mike Sivier - Voters in marginal constituencies targeted by dirty Tory `dark' adverts

The Conservatives have found another way to cheat national election spending limits - on Facebook, it seems.

They have been using Facebook's advertising system, which demands that users `bid' for the limited number of slots available, to drown out others and force `dark' adverts, filled with lies, on readers.

There is no regulation of this behaviour.

Delyn, where the Tories' dirty trick was discovered, is a marginal constituency held by Labour's David Hanson - but he will lose it if there is a swing of just 3.9 per cent to the Conservatives.

And the Tories are feeding Delyn Facebook users lies about a nonexistent `Death Tax' (fabricated in an Express article), and about Labour increasing taxes for everybody (in fact, 95 per cent of earners will not be affected; only the top five per cent would have to pay more).



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Another Angry Voice - Beware of Tory Dark Ads

We all know that the Tories are bankrolled by a rogue's gallery of right-wing billionaires and that they're awash with cash for this general election right?

We also know that they have absolute contempt for the electoral rules after they deliberately misdeclared expenses at the 2015 general election don't we?

We also know the increasingly important role big data is playing in elections, and how psychological profiling and targeted social media adverts helped to swing the EU referendum and the 2016 US election right?

Tory dark ads

Well what the Tories have been up to during the 2017 general election is absolutely shocking. They've been creating all kinds of fearmongering shock adverts, paying Facebook to target them at people, and refusing to provide examples to the Electoral Commission of what they've been sending out.

What is worse is that in the days before the voter registration deadline they used their secretive dark ads to deliberately undermine a young adult voter registration drive, by replacing the voter registration adverts with their own nasty smear jobs on Jeremy Corbyn.



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The Tories are so hapless they can't even work a classic Saudi intervention. They are now officially dumber than G.W.'s guys.
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On the morning Marr Show, the paper review had some polling in the Sun which was laughably biased. Showing that trust for Corbyn was down at Trumpian levels.

Yet nobody in the media seems able, or willing, to explain why there is a genuine enthusiasm for Corbyn that is absolutely NOT reflected in the media. Here the social media campaign by Labour seems to be wiping the floor with the Tories, yet remaining entirely under the mainstream media radar.

I'm sure I could find some Tory stuff if I went looking for it, but I have enough friends on the other side of the aisle that I'd see at least some of it if it was turning up in their feeds. But I'm not.

Equally, I'd agree with Rawnsley that monstering Corbyn isn't going to work, he's had 2 years of it and it just doesn't work anymore. Not even the undecided trust the msm view of Corbyn.

It's getting to the point where one of the main pleasures of contemplating the current state of the election will be all the egg over the Blairite's faces. Having spent 2 years telling everyone who'd listen (and shouting at the backs of those who were running away from their bs) that Corbyn was a loser, this is already going to be about as good a result as you cold hope for. Anything better and I'd want to see Polly Toynbee ashen-face of shame and humiliation for myself  

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And, to underline the confusion the Tories have felt over tryin gto smear Corbyn with terrorism, Michael Fallon made a complete arse of himself here.



by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on
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tbh, last week's bomb blast came at a bad time for the Labour Party. They were buidling up considerable momentum after the Care Home gaffe in the Tory manifesto and looked set to hammer them hard.

Sadly, everything has stalled and given the tories the chance to re-consider their game plan while Labour possibly lost their best oportunity.

That said, Rawnsley is right; in this Presidential election, Theresa May has been the one making the unforced errors.

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Guardian - Andrew Rawnsley - The Supreme Leader doesn't seem quite so invincible now

Ever since anyone can remember, there have been complaints that British elections have become "too presidential". Back in the 1970s, when the principals were Ted Heath and Harold Wilson, their duel was ridiculed as "a man with a boat and a man with a pipe".

So this spring's contest, with its relentless focus on the woman with the bag and the man with the beard, is not so much a new development as the culmination of a long-established trend. This was by Tory design because making it a personality contest was supposed to be to their benefit. The name of Theresa May is emblazoned on her campaign coach in lettering so enormous that it probably can be seen from outer space. The word Conservative is a microscopic footnote. The Tory campaign has been organised around the projection of the Supreme Leader to the virtual exclusion of every other member of the cabinet. Even Margaret Thatcher in her pomp would share appearances with her ministers. Mrs May has granted just the one "podium moment" to a member of the cabinet when she appeared alongside Philip Hammond and conspicuously failed to reassure the chancellor that he was safe in his job.

I, myself and me. That is how she likes to start her sentences. She asks for an enlarged majority to "give me a mandate" to negotiate Brexit. "I offer myself as your prime minister" - no nonsense about being the captain of a team. When she launched her programme, it was "my manifesto for Britain's future", words that soon came back to haunt her when one of its key policies began to unravel.



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I think we're getting to the stage where the book of "things the Trump administration doesn't understand" far outweighs the small pamphlet of things they do

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on
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Right now the polling suggests a Tory majority of 2 seats, which is too close to call.

tbh we could proably do with the election being on July th rather than June, but this election has got very interesting. A Lab/SNP arrangement is becoming a possibility. I doubt Tim Farron would bring the LibDems on board as he's too much of a tory, but equally, after the Clegg humiliation, he can't support the tories.

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on
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Given the unfairness of FPTP I'm still expecting an increased Tory majority, obviously.
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 15 - 21 May 2017

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Your take on this week's news

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 Open Thread 15 - 21 May

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Shake your business up & thread it

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