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In story: Open Thread 18-24 May

Re: Open Thread 18-24 May
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Great film, that.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on
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In story: Ireland votes for marriage equality

And it would be a Fine day ...
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... if both Fine Dum and Fine Dee could be sent packing.

But that is a discussion for another day ... today is for celebrating a good win.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on
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In story: Open Thread 18-24 May

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Well, ISIS easily matches Hitler, but they are limited to a specific geography/demography. But you are right about the insidious nature of our current problem. The Anglo version of financial capitalism has gained such control over the governments, the mass media and even academia that it feels able to unleash the most brutal exploitation on an unprecedented scale. When large portions of the upper middle class come to see themselves and their offspring as victims of this system perhaps they can learn to find solidarity with those less fortunate than themselves. That is the first prerequisite to change.

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on
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In story: Open Thread 18-24 May

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Hitler was such a conveniently easy cartoon Bad Guy enemy, even a four year old can grasp the moral issues involved at that time.
These days the enemy is infinitely more subtle, he is us and the planet-raping consumerist 'lifestyle' we have been embedded into prolonging.
No more easy binaries in this morality play...

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on
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Wow, I never made this good a prediction: Sweden did win and the others I named all in the top six. (And I missed most of 2nd-placed Russia's perfomance.)

Zero points this time: Austria (three bearded men) and Germany (an R&B act with nothing extra).


by DoDo on
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Prediction: Sweden wins; Italy, Belgium, Latvia may do well.

by DoDo on
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A second and much less debated referendum on reducing the minimum age for a Presidential candidate from 35 to 21 has been roundly defeated - by a margin of 73 to 27%. So whatever else the marriage referendum may have been, it was not an uncritical endorsement of Government policy, or indeed an endorsement of an unpopular Government itself. Indeed a by-election in Carlow Kilkenny for a seat vacated by Irish European Commissioner, Phil Hogan, looks likely to be a close call between Fine Gael (major government party) and Fianna Fail, the much discredited opposition party held responsible for the bank guarantee and economic crash.

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on
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In story: Open Thread 18-24 May

Re: Open Thread 18-24 May
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and a reminder from the film "made in Dagenham" to the Labour party that once principles mattered

[Rita gives an impromptu speech at the trade union conference]

Rita O'Grady: My best friend lost her husband recently. He was a gunner in the 50 Squadron in the RAF. Got shot down one time, on a raid to Essen. And even though he was badly injured, he managed to bail out. I asked him why he joined the RAF, and he said "Well, they've got the best women, haven't they?"

[audience laughs]

Rita O'Grady: And then he said "Well, you've got to do something, haven't you? You had to do something, that was a given. Cos it was a matter of principle. You had to stand up. You had to do what was right. Cos otherwise you wouldn't be able to look at yourself in the mirror." When did that change, eh? When did we, in this country, decide to stop fighting? I don't think we ever did. But you've got to back us up. You've got to stand up with us. We are the working classes - the men and the women. We're not separated by sex, but only by those who are willing to accept injustice and those like our friend George who are prepared to go into battle for what is right. And equal pay for women is right.

When did that change, eh? When did we, in this country, decide to stop fighting?

When did we stop fighting?


by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on
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In story: Ireland votes for marriage equality

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We got literal double rainbows over Dublin today, so I don't think their God is sending the message they think!
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on
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Re: Panti Bliss gives the keynote address (2014):
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Frank, what a present Ireland gave the world today.

Imagine, from one of the worst, chafing under FUD, religious intolerance. patriarchy. ignorance (fear, uncertainty, doubt) it jumped boldly and bravely from the last millenia into a better future.  Despite the poobahs imploring, screaming, praying and crying that terrifying consequences ensue. From the No's, & back.

Their god sent them a message which everyone heard today:

"You folk already have everything YOU want, and why should you pray to me to punish your fellow humans additionally? That is NOT your job, and you have now not only recklessly usurped my prerogative but totally failed at it. Request denied."

by Pete Rock on
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Hilarious: some of the teabaggers are predicting that god will strike Ireland with a new potato famine in retribution. Unlike Ireland, they still live in the 1840's.
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Panti Bliss gives the keynote address (2014):
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Full text:

Hello. My name is Panti and for the benefit of the visually impaired or the incredibly naïve, I am a drag queen, a performer, and an accidental and occasional gay rights activist.

And as you may have already gathered, I am also painfully middle-class. My father was a country vet, I went to a nice school, and afterwards to that most middle-class of institutions - art college. And although this may surprise some of you, I have always managed to find gainful employment in my chosen field - gender discombobulation.

So the grinding, abject poverty so powerfully displayed in tonight's performance is something I can thankfully say I have no experience of.

But oppression is something I can relate to. Oh, I'm not comparing my experience to Dublin workers of 1913, but I do know what it feels like to be put in your place.

Have you ever been standing at a pedestrian crossing when a car drives by and in it are a bunch of lads, and they lean out the window and they shout "Fag!" and throw a milk carton at you?

Now it doesn't really hurt. It's just a wet carton and anyway they're right - I am a fag. But it feels oppressive.

When it really does hurt, is afterwards. Afterwards I wonder and worry and obsess over what was it about me, what was it they saw in me? What was it that gave me away? And I hate myself for wondering that. It feels oppressive and the next time I'm at a pedestrian crossing I check myself to see what is it about me that "gives the gay away" and I check myself to make sure I'm not doing it this time.

Have any of you ever come home in the evening and turned on the television and there is a panel of people - nice people, respectable people, smart people, the kind of people who make good neighbourly neighbours and write for newspapers. And they are having a reasoned debate about you. About what kind of a person you are, about whether you are capable of being a good parent, about whether you want to destroy marriage, about whether you are safe around children, about whether God herself thinks you are an abomination, about whether in fact you are "intrinsically disordered". And even the nice TV presenter lady who you feel like you know thinks it's perfectly ok that they are all having this reasonable debate about who you are and what rights you "deserve".

And that feels oppressive.

Have you ever been on a crowded train with your gay friend and a small part of you is cringing because he is being SO gay and you find yourself trying to compensate by butching up or nudging the conversation onto "straighter" territory? This is you who have spent 35 years trying to be the best gay possible and yet still a small part of you is embarrassed by his gayness.

And I hate myself for that. And that feels oppressive. And when I'm standing at the pedestrian lights I am checking myself.

Have you ever gone into your favourite neighbourhood café with the paper that you buy every day, and you open it up and inside is a 500-word opinion written by a nice middle-class woman, the kind of woman who probably gives to charity, the kind of woman that you would be happy to leave your children with. And she is arguing so reasonably about whether you should be treated less than everybody else, arguing that you should be given fewer rights than everybody else. And when the woman at the next table gets up and excuses herself to squeeze by you with a smile you wonder, "Does she think that about me too?"

And that feels oppressive. And you go outside and you stand at the pedestrian crossing and you check yourself and I hate myself for that.

Have you ever turned on the computer and seen videos of people just like you in far away countries, and countries not far away at all, being beaten and imprisoned and tortured and murdered because they are just like you?

And that feels oppressive.

Three weeks ago I was on the television and I said that I believed that people who actively campaign for gay people to be treated less or differently are, in my gay opinion, homophobic. Some people, people who actively campaign for gay people to be treated less under the law took great exception at this characterisation and threatened legal action against me and RTÉ. RTÉ, in its wisdom, decided incredibly quickly to hand over a huge sum of money to make it go away. I haven't been so lucky.

And for the last three weeks I have been lectured by heterosexual people about what homophobia is and who should be allowed identify it. Straight people - ministers, senators, lawyers, journalists - have lined up to tell me what homophobia is and what I am allowed to feel oppressed by. People who have never experienced homophobia in their lives, people who have never checked themselves at a pedestrian crossing, have told me that unless I am being thrown in prison or herded onto a cattle train, then it is not homophobia.

And that feels oppressive.

So now Irish gay people find ourselves in a ludicrous situation where not only are we not allowed to say publicly what we feel oppressed by, we are not even allowed to think it because our definition has been disallowed by our betters.

And for the last three weeks I have been denounced from the floor of parliament to newspaper columns to the seething morass of internet commentary for "hate speech" because I dared to use the word "homophobia". And a jumped-up queer like me should know that the word "homophobia" is no longer available to gay people. Which is a spectacular and neat Orwellian trick because now it turns out that gay people are not the victims of homophobia - homophobes are.

But I want to say that it is not true. I don't hate you.

I do, it is true, believe that almost all of you are probably homophobes. But I'm a homophobe. It would be incredible if we weren't. To grow up in a society that is overwhelmingly homophobic and to escape unscathed would be miraculous. So I don't hate you because you are homophobic. I actually admire you. I admire you because most of you are only a bit homophobic. Which all things considered is pretty good going.

But I do sometimes hate myself. I hate myself because I f*cking check myself while standing at pedestrian crossings. And sometimes I hate you for doing that to me.

But not right now. Right now, I like you all very much for giving me a few moments of your time. And I thank you for it.

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on
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YES:  1,201,647 (62.1%)
No:   734,300 (37.9%)

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In story: Ireland votes for marriage equality

Re: Ireland says: "Fuck Yeaahhh"
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This whole episode has vividly recalled a little walking tour of the west of Ireland when I was 19. I wandered into Galway on the weekend of the big races, in a pouring rain, and couldn't find a room so pitched a tent in an empty place. It turned out to be a firing range, as I was informed by a gang of 8-10 year old thugs the next morning. They immediately adopted the feeble-minded stranger and showed him a more appropriate place to camp, as well as where to find free food, etc. I subsidized them in a small way until realizing they were spending it all on under the counter porn and cigarettes.
by melvin on
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Much more freely thrown around in Ireland than elsewhere. If Joe Biden said this, he would be gone by sundown.

Again congrats to Ireland and the Yes campaign. So well done, both.

by melvin on
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It's a quote from our Minister for Equality.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on
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I edited the diary title for a more appropriate tone.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on
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Even if they are part of the same mafiafamily, Juncker has a rather icy relationship with Orbán since the latter's public opposition to his Commission President candidacy (and it didn't help that pro-Fidesz media then declared open season on Juncker). In the video, he wasn't joking with Orbán but with the Latvian PM (also right-wing), then said just "Dictator" as he slapped Orbán in the face, then pushed him to the other side with a force that made Orbán stumble. The smiles on everyone's faces seem forced to me.

I checked the reaction. Government-controlled media seems to have ignored it. The only official reaction I could find was by a government speaker answering a news website's journalist, seeking to underplay the incident with the claim that for years, Juncker greets Orbán 'Hello dictator' and Orbán greets Juncker 'Hello Grand Duke'. But less front-line pro-Fidesz media and bloggers express outrage and explain the incident with Juncker's alcoholism.

by DoDo on
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Re: Ireland votes to allow same sex marriage.
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With 13 of the 43 constituencies having completed their counts, the yes side are leading 62:38.   However with most Dublin constituencies still to complete, the final margin could extend to 65:35.

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on
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Re: Ireland votes to allow same sex marriage.
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Early tallies indicate a 70:30 YES vote in Dublin with much tighter margins in rural constituencies, with one rural constituency, Roscommon/Leitrim possibly voting NO by a narrow margin.

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In story: 23-24 May 2015

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Parts of Dublin are at 75-80% on high turnouts. One ballot box was 84%!
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on
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In story: 23-24 May 2015

Re: Living on the Planet
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Astonishing, if this holds. We can't even win California. (Although we did by referendum in WA state, very proud of that.)
by melvin on
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In my opinion, that was Juncker being best buddies with his EPP pal from Hungary, and poking fun at the concerns of the left (and the liberals):

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In story: Open Thread 18-24 May

Re: Open Thread 18-24 May
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Put the 15-character comment in the comment subject field followed by "(n/t)" (no text in the comment body).

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In story: 23-24 May 2015

Re: Living on the Planet
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2:1 in favour, at least, from the early tallies. Might make 70:30, which means the conservatives are left with the authoritarian core.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on
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Remind me again, how much does Costa Rica spend on military fireworks and costumes?
by melvin on
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In story: Open Thread 18-24 May

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Aha! Thank you.
by melvin on
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Test
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In story: Open Thread 18-24 May

Re: Open Thread 18-24 May
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Do you know that there is a limit for subject length?

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In story: Open Thread 18-24 May

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I am unable to comment on gmoke's diary. Some 50 character nonsense, even with a 15 character comment.

Can anyone explain?

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 23-24 May 2015

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