Doha Round and developing nations

by Jerome a Paris
Fri Nov 25th, 2005 at 11:10:14 AM EST

From a LTE to the Financial Times:

A few of the largest developing countries would capture benefits

According to new numbers released by the World Bank, developing countries stand to gain only $16bn, or less than a penny per person a day in the year 2015. What is more, a small number of the largest developing countries would capture most of the developing country benefits (Brazil, Argentina, China, India, Thailand, Vietnam, Mexico and Turkey).

Contrary to Mr Wolf's column, the impacts on poverty are very small, with projected reductions of less than 1 per cent in the number of people living in poverty. Two years ago, World Bank models suggested 144m people would move out of poverty; now the "likely Doha scenario" lifts up just 6m people worldwide. Regarding reductions in northern agricultural subsidies, developing countries stand to gain just $9bn from agricultural trade reform, and only $1bn from subsidy reduction - a gain of less than 0.01 per cent.

These small gains of $16bn will come at considerable costs. The losses in tariff revenues alone will be more than twice the benefit, or $32bn. Developing countries rely on tariffs revenue for 20 per cent of all government revenue, and therefore development policy.

Kevin P. Gallagher


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Great points. Also, even within most ofthose big nations, those who would stand to benefit would be large estate owners/state collective bosses with an industrialised farm and good and practised access to transport routes, not the poor subsistence farmers. Which is not to say that CAP shouldn't be reformed, but the solution is not to give advantage from our countries' big farmers to that of others'.

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by DoDo on Fri Nov 25th, 2005 at 11:48:49 AM EST
Can someone explain what this means to me?
These small gains of $16bn will come at considerable costs. The losses in tariff revenues alone will be more than twice the benefit, or $32bn. Developing countries rely on tariffs revenue for 20 per cent of all government revenue, and therefore development policy.
It seems to say that it's better for the less developed country if they continue to import food, because the government puts a 20% tariff on it (adding 20% to the cost of food for the people), and this is a good thing because the government (who knows how corrupt?) gets a lot of tax revenue from this--ie by taxing the people's food.  This is better than letting farmers in these countries grow their own food, compete on the world market, have jobs?

I must be misinterpretting this.  Someone please set me straight.

by wchurchill on Fri Nov 25th, 2005 at 11:52:42 AM EST
I think that applies to all imports, not just food.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Nov 25th, 2005 at 11:55:00 AM EST
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Right, but it evidently applies to food too?  It sounds like you are reading this the way I am Colman--in the sense of what it means?
by wchurchill on Fri Nov 25th, 2005 at 11:56:48 AM EST
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I'm not sure about that. It's possible, but not necessarily the case - I suspect this is an artefact of the FT editing the letter for brevity.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Nov 25th, 2005 at 12:03:30 PM EST
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If what is taxed is the 'people's food', what do you think these countries would be able to export?...

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by DoDo on Fri Nov 25th, 2005 at 11:56:20 AM EST
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I don't understand the relationship between the statement, "If what is taxed is the 'people's food'," and the question: "what do you think these countries would be able to export?"  
by wchurchill on Fri Nov 25th, 2005 at 12:00:25 PM EST
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If imports are "people's food", that would imply a food shortage in that country. The Doha Round is supposed to be about such countries' economic progress through access to Western markets, yet the result in your scenario would be (a) even less local produce for the locals just because of exports, (b) the death of most of the local production as foreign imports get cheaper, (c) as a direct but delayed consequence of this collapse, a lot of people would not be able to buy even the cheaper Western produce, resulting in an artifical famine like in Niger earlier this year.

(Actually, I do not think even the food part of it is 'people's food' - to a large part, more likely the local elites' and the local small middle classes' food.)

*Traitor*, n.
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by DoDo on Fri Nov 25th, 2005 at 12:21:28 PM EST
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You're probably right that tariffs are not the best kind of income for these countries, but it is usually one of the easiest to "capture", and it is a real short term budgetary issue if it disappears. Finding other sources of income for the government should thus be part of the adjustments that are made as part of the trade reforms. But is this discussed at Doha?

As usual, the more you dig into these questions, the more complex things are, and the more difficult it gets to justify "simple" solutions.

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by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Fri Nov 25th, 2005 at 11:59:10 AM EST
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but it is usually one of the easiest to "capture"

I think you nailed it right here, unless I didn't follow what you meant properly.  Tax collection can be a very difficult thing in these countries.  Ideally, you would want to lay the burden primarily on the wealthy (though you, of course, want to avoid choking the economy).  But, chances are, the wealthy control the government and can find ways of getting around it, so that ideal cannot become reality.

I agree, completely, that tariffs are a bad thing to tax in these countries, especially if food falls under those tariffs.  You're also write that the issue of "Okay, so how do we get revenue?" needs to be discussed more.

20% tariffs don't necessarily translate to 20% price increases.  It depends on the good.  In the case of food, with little competition from domestic producers, it probably would result in roughly a 20% increase in price, since everyone has got to eat and the demand is inelastic.

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by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Fri Nov 25th, 2005 at 12:46:56 PM EST
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That should say, "You're also RIGHT...."

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Fri Nov 25th, 2005 at 12:48:07 PM EST
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One solution: developing countries other than Brazil, Argentina, China, India, Thailand, Vietnam, Mexico and Turkey are given an opt-out clause in the free-trade agreement.

By laying out pros and cons we risk inducing people to join the debate, and losing control of a process that only we fully understand. - Alan Greenspan
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 25th, 2005 at 12:02:44 PM EST
I'm not sure how Mr Gallagher arrives at these numbers, (though he may well be right).

The World Bank report that came out recently to bolster up the free-trade case at the Hong Kong talks is a book of 425pp, and it's not easy to pin clear statistics down since it is arguing in favour of an agenda and mostly presenting data in synthetic form (from what I've had time to see). What further complicates things is that it offers a whole string of scenarios, and the supposed results depend on which scenario is chosen.

But here are some points from the general presentation:

The potential gains from further global trade reform are huge. <snip>
Freeing all merchandise trade and eliminating agricultural subsidies are estimated
to boost global welfare by nearly $300 billion a year by 2015.
<snip>
Developing countries could gain disproportionately from further global trade
reform.
The developing countries would enjoy 45 percent of the global gain from
completely freeing all merchandise trade (table 1.3a), well above their current
share of one-fifth of global GDP. Their welfare would increase by 1.2 percent,
compared with an increase of just 0.6 percent for developed countries.

Note that the projected $300bn per annum gain is not between now and 2015, but from 2015 on. Second, that it has been arrived at counting completely freeing all merchandise trade and not just agricultural trade.

Poverty could be reduced under Doha.
Under the full merchandise trade liberalization
scenario, extreme poverty--those earning no more than $1 a day--
would drop by 32 million in developing countries in 2015 relative to the baseline
level of 622 million, a reduction of 5 percent. The majority of the poor by 2015
are projected to be in Sub-Saharan Africa, where the reduction would be 6 percent.

Under the Doha scenarios reported in table 1.8, the poverty impacts are far more
modest. The number of poor living on $1 a day or less would fall by 2.5 million
in the case of the core Doha scenario 7 (of which 0.5 million are in Sub-Saharan
Africa) and by 6.3 million in the case of Doha scenario 8 (of which 2.2 million
are in Sub-Saharan Africa). This corresponds to the relatively modest ambitions
of the merchandise trade reforms as captured in these Doha scenarios. If only
agriculture was reformed (Doha scenario 1), there would be much less poverty
alleviation globally and none at all in Sub-Saharan Africa.
This shows the importance
for poverty of including manufactured products in the Doha negotiations.

Note the emphasized (by me) sentence. The obliteration of African poverty (in particular) does not depend on a simple opening-up of agricultural markets. It's the World Bank saying that.

I'm glad Kevin P Gallagher has written this, I hope he crunched the numbers right, and I hope there'll be further discussion of this in the FT and elsewhere.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Nov 25th, 2005 at 12:17:00 PM EST
If they really wanted to help developing countries they would argue for debt cancellation.

By laying out pros and cons we risk inducing people to join the debate, and losing control of a process that only we fully understand. - Alan Greenspan
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 25th, 2005 at 12:20:00 PM EST
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They should argue debt cancellation, but it takes more than that.  Many developing countries are ruled by brutal governments that will simply borrow more money.

I'm okay with loaning them money, even if they don't pay it back, but we in the West need to focus on ways to help the people instead of setting them up to fall down again.

However, if we're going to talk about trade, we need to talk about real trade and not the mercantilist nonsense that pass for trade with countries like China.  We also need to talk about America and Europe getting serious about opeing up markets that are difficult, politically, to open (like dropping America's huge agricultural subsidies).

If we're going to open trade, but not allow these countries to export what they specialize in, then all the "trade" in the world won't make a damned bit of difference.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Fri Nov 25th, 2005 at 12:53:37 PM EST
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In a certain sense there is no such thing as trade between 'France' and 'Germany.'

There is trade between specific companies having physical presence in 'France' and 'Germany' and there is trade between companies only having a presence in 'France' and 'Germany.'  But if the trade is between an 'American' company in 'France' and a 'Polish' company in 'Germany' which has the goods shipped directly to a 'Japanese' company in England ... who is trading with whom?

Now let's say there is a 'French' company wholly owned by a trans-national headquartered in 'Japan' trading with a 'German' company also completely owned by the same 'Japanese' trans-national.  Is this trade or merely shuffling inventory and accounting records within the trans-national?

No one could have predicted

by ATinNM on Sat Nov 26th, 2005 at 01:42:57 PM EST


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