Another fake? Doubts about the latest ETA letter

by ManfromMiddletown
Tue Nov 29th, 2005 at 02:13:30 AM EST

Earlier this week Spain was rocked by news that the Basque terrorist organization ETA has issued a letter (Spanish link) in which  the group called for international mediation of the situation in the Basque country.   While international coverage of the letter focuses on this call for outside mediation, the real bombshell came in this section where ETA linked  an end to arms with the passage of the Catalan Estatut and a referendum for the Basque country.

The principal figures of the Spanish state have not overcome the crisis opened by the armed actions of March 11th 2004, and the majority  of the polticial parties and media suffer the contraidction generated by this act. The passing of this crisis has underlined the the debate around the territorial model of the Spanish state, evidencing the neccesity of this figures to resolve the principal contradiction: the future of Euskal Herria (note: the Basque homeland encompassing the Alava, Viscaya, Guipuzcoa, Navarra, and the French provinces of Basse-Navarre, Labourd, and Soule)  and Catalunya, and the recognition of the collective rights of these two nations.

Concerning Euskal Herria, the PSOE government has made declarations that contribute novel elemets, but continue without giving an answer to the root of the problem.
While keeping the wager for a repressive strategy against our people,  under the image of the new demeanor of PM Zapatero, the PSOE government hasn't let this state of excecption apply to Euskal Herria for a moment. For example. the illegalization of political parties, the detention of left nationalist spokespersons, the disperal of prisoners, and cases of torture. These type of proceedings preclude the possiblity of a democratic solution,  and revive the conflict.


Needless to say the Spanish Right soon went into overdrive, and the leader of the conservative opposition PP, Mariano Rajoy, went so far as to say that:

ETA has become the tutor of the Estatut  and has forced that Cataluna as the Basque Country should be a nation.

The call for international mediatio and the apparent belief that the call by ETA for the European institutions to mediate the conflict might be answered favorably prompted an amazing if improbable response from the AVT, the group respresenting ETA's victims, recently infiltrated by agents of the PP intent on polticizing the organiztion.  The AVT called for Spain to be expelled from the EU and the UN for its handling of the situation in the Basque Country. The group later recanted claiming the letter to foreign embassies was transcribed wrong, and the intention was to call for pressure on the Spanish government to take action against the PCTV (the party presumed to be ETA's political wing) presence in the Basque parliament.  While I'm intrigued and entertained by the AVT calling for Spain to be kicked out of the EU, somehow I think that the rural areas of Castille dependent on structural funds to stay afloat would not be amused.

Having thoroughly made asses of themselves calling for Spain's expulsion from the EU and UN (ah, the good old days before 1955 when Spain was sufficently suspect not to be allowed into the UN for fear they were fascists.) The right launched a new assault on the PSOE government, using ETA's support for the Catalan Estatut as evidence that   a secret pact was concluded between the Zapatero's Catalan Left nationalist ally Carod Rovira and ETA during a meeting in Perpignan prior to the 2004 elections. ETA's latest love note become evidence prima facie that the PSOE government though its Catalan coallition partner is conspiring with ETA to dismember Spain.

The PSOE government hasn't taken this sitting down, calling the PP disloyal and unpatriotic for attempting to link the Estatut with ETA.  ETA's letter came at a time when PSOE is dropping in the polls, and presents a wealth of fronts to attack  the PSOE government on, including the veiled reference to March 11, supporting the continued efforts of the PP to link ETA to March 11.  The letter was the perfect political bombshell, a weapon to go in for the kill, and take down the PSOE governent. The only problem is that it's just too perfect, and as El Pais reports no embassy has recieved the letter, and Gara the Basque paper that normally publishes ETA statements questions the authenticity of the letter noting untypical language,  seals and stamps differing from the established pattern, and the mysterious announcment of the note having not been sent to embassies. The letter is likely a fake, begging the question , who faked the letter?

Forgeries seem to have become something of a fad recently for the Right in the US and Europe, and it should be interesting to see if the source of this letter is ever identified.  The idea that right wing idealogues would forge documents to stir outrage to further their poltical ambitions no matter how much their perception of the situation conflicts with reailty shouldn't be too suprising. Remember that note about Niger?

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For those wondering I'm aiming for the weekend for the next Pulse of the Nations.  

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Tue Nov 29th, 2005 at 02:21:48 AM EST
What kinds of games is ETA playing? By attaching themselves to the Estatut they are doing Catalonia a huge disservice, and giving the Spanish right just what they need to rally the undecided. ETA is not going to get a better deal than what Zapatero offered in Parliament in May.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Nov 29th, 2005 at 03:14:58 AM EST
the first time I hear about the possibility the letter would be fake.

I think that by this time ETA would have said that this letter was not his.

So I think it is a real letter and I do not know what ETA is playing. I guess testing Zapatero.. I am not sure...

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Tue Nov 29th, 2005 at 04:22:13 AM EST
I agree - most definitely not fake.

Zapatero has repeated his mantra: the first thing ETA must do is renounce violence inequivocally. They won't react to an ETA letter otherwise.

ETA is simply playing into Rajoy's hands. Both ETA and the PP stand to lose from Zapatero's moderation.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Nov 29th, 2005 at 04:46:24 AM EST
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The only problem is that it's just too perfect, and as El Pais reports no embassy has recieved the letter, and Gara the Basque paper that normally publishes ETA statements questions the authenticity of the letter noting untypical language,  seals and stamps differing from the established pattern, and the mysterious announcment of the note having not been sent to embassies.
Do you have a link to Gara on this?

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Nov 29th, 2005 at 04:54:57 AM EST
No embassies or european institutions confirm having received ETA's letter
El Gobierno considera auténtico el comunicado de la banda, interceptado por la Guardia Civil
European embassies in Madrid, París and Bruselas still haven't received ETA's communiqué in which the gang demands international mediation to achieve peace in the Basque Country. The letter has also not reached the European Parliament nor the European Commission, nor BBC, the alleged destination of the note. The latter was intercepted by the Guardia Civil, which transitted its content to the Government. This notwithstanding, counter-terrorism commanders doubted its authenticity, as did the daily newspaper Gara. Despite those initial hesitations, the Office of the Prime Minister and the Interior Ministry confirm ETA's authorship.
Now, is it possible that someone used the Guardia Civil to set the government up?

When I first read about this letter a couple of days ago I completely missed the fact that it had been intercepted by the Guardia Civil and never proven to have been released by ETA.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Nov 29th, 2005 at 05:04:30 AM EST
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Darn, cut-and-paste is treacherous
El Gobierno considera auténtico el comunicado de la banda, interceptado por la Guardia Civil
The government considers the gang's communiqué authentic.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Nov 29th, 2005 at 05:05:36 AM EST
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The Democrats thought Saddam was trying to buy uranium in Niger, faith is not fact.  

Something's not right here.  Terrorist groups like ETA live in a parastic relationship with the press (the question being who the parasite is).  ETA likes to talk.  Why would they not send this to embassies like they have with previous letters like the one to Villepin in October, why is the only proof this even exists an intercept from the Guardia Civil?  

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Tue Nov 29th, 2005 at 10:31:24 AM EST
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I find the behaviour of the AVT suspect. Too bad they have let the PP destroy them from within.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Nov 29th, 2005 at 11:53:50 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Link to Gara

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg
by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Tue Nov 29th, 2005 at 10:17:41 AM EST
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I like the new diary title better.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Nov 29th, 2005 at 10:41:42 AM EST
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Gara: Solution prcesses and international support(My emphasis)
With the Basque Homeland [standing] at the gates of a new political process, the role to be played by the international community is again under consideration. This is the backdrop of the media maelstrom unleashed by a written [document] attributed to ETA in which the armed organization challenges, in particular the European institutions, to not detach themselves from the situation that our country is living. Both the conduits through which that text has flowed until it was presented to the public opinion as well as the tumult unleashed after its release lead [one] to think that there exists a reasonable fear among certain state instances that the international community might make itself present in the Basque process, what will undoubtedly happen..
I think either Gara is being really subtle, or you (MfM) are reading too much between the lines.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Nov 29th, 2005 at 10:58:14 AM EST
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This whole thing  feels questionable.  Why did no one recieve this letter. I undestand it was  captured by the Guardia Civil, but ETA usually releases letters to Gara first.  The Gara article isn't much, but I wonder what this bit from El Pais about doubts from the antiterrorist police was about.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg
by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Tue Nov 29th, 2005 at 11:04:08 AM EST
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I was asking for a link to where Gara "notes untypical language,  seals and stamps differing from the established pattern".

On the other hand, has anyone published an image of the document? Maybe it will be as crude a forgery as the Niger one?

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Nov 29th, 2005 at 11:00:11 AM EST
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I found this tiny image through Google news. Can you find any others?

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Nov 29th, 2005 at 11:15:09 AM EST
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Yet again, I am forced to look to El Mundo for large scale pictures of the document.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg
by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Tue Nov 29th, 2005 at 11:25:38 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Now we need to find images of previous communiqués for comparison.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Nov 29th, 2005 at 11:26:52 AM EST
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It's not an image, but the text of this ETA statement from 1998 shows something else that's odd.

Note in this document the seal is in Basque but the last sentence is in Castillian, not Basque.  Normally the end of a document issued by ETA or even Batasuna would be in Basque using language like this from the 1998 document

GORA EUSKADI ASKATUTA!
GORA EUSKADI SOZIALISTA!
JO TA KE INDEPENDENTZIA LORTU ARTE

The use of Castillian for the end is extremely suspicous.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Tue Nov 29th, 2005 at 11:53:20 AM EST
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Yep, I noticed that too, it stuck out like a sore thumb.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Nov 29th, 2005 at 11:55:46 AM EST
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That's just about as bad as getting the name of the wrong friggin minister from Niger. My fingers on the AVT for this, and if true that's going to destroy that gains that the PP has made in the polls.

There's somehing deeply wrong with a group of victims of terrorism playing the dead for poltical gain, and the stuff with Pilar Manjon, the cabrones

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Tue Nov 29th, 2005 at 12:10:37 PM EST
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The document over at El Mundo ends with
Viva Euskal Herria Libre
Viva Euskal Herria Socialista
Derecho de Autodeterminación para el Pueblo Vasco

The traditional last sentence means "keep at it until independence is achieved". Jo Ta Ke (translated in Spanish as dale que te pego) was the name of a policy document issued by one of the incarnations of Batasuna.

It is very, very strange that they would drop the Jo Ta Ke and that they would water down their demand from "independence" to "self-determination".

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Nov 29th, 2005 at 12:03:02 PM EST
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Doesn't ETA usually write their communiqués in Basque anyway? (Which Gara translates?) When they sent that letter to foreign governments earlier this year (supposedly de Villepin received it), was it in Basque? If this message was supposed to go to the BBC, why was it in Spanish, and not either in Basque or Euglish?

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Nov 29th, 2005 at 12:08:05 PM EST
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Down the rabbit hole you go my friend.

Somebody concocted this.

It's the work of the slightly above average intelligence who think that they are a genius, it's the hallmark of a conservatice mind. They get the little details wrong.

All is not as it appears.......

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Tue Nov 29th, 2005 at 12:19:16 PM EST
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Here's the red pill. I am appalled.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Nov 29th, 2005 at 12:23:57 PM EST
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Admit it Migeru, you thought I was wrong on this one.

This just might give Sr. Zapatero the breathing space needed to finish what he's started, and might make the PP transform like Gonzalez did to the right, leading to the PP.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Tue Nov 29th, 2005 at 12:38:13 PM EST
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I admit it, you sounded to me like you had slept wrapped in tinfoil last night.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Nov 29th, 2005 at 01:02:04 PM EST
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This document apparently contains an alleged admission of responsibility by ETA regarding the March 2004 attacks. Via Rebelión, in Spanish.

The gist of it is that La Vanguardia and El Periodico de Catalunya omit a paragraph that El Pais misquotes. The original apparently says "the armed actions of 11 March", while El Pais trascribes "the attacks of 11 March".

I have found at least one comment on an online discussion board gleefully pointing out that the fact that 11 March is mentioned is bad for Zapatero.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Nov 29th, 2005 at 11:23:13 AM EST
At the very least this is being played to the fullest by the Spanish right, and with the veracity of the document in question, this could backfire.  I pointed to the right in general, but the AVT looks like a damn good suspect for a forger, and one suspects that they migt have contacts in the Guardia Civil to plant the text.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg
by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Tue Nov 29th, 2005 at 11:28:25 AM EST
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You translate
under the image of the new talent of PM Zapatero
but the original is
Por encima de la imagen y el nuevo "talante" del Presidente Zapatero

The word "talante" means "demeanor". Zapatero presented himself as different from Aznar first and foremost on the measured demeanor with which he intended to conduct himself. Much has been written (and satirized) about this. It is a strange thing in an ETA document, especially in scare quotes (although without the scare quotes it would seem to be a PSOE talking point).


En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Nov 29th, 2005 at 12:41:34 PM EST
La Vanguardia: ETA reclama la autodeterminación para dar una tregua
La banda terrorista asegura que está "aburrida" de las peticiones que se le formulan para que haga un alto el fuego

Bilbao. (VASCO PRESS).- La banda terrorista ETA exige que los gobiernos español y francés reconozcan el derecho de autodeterminación y "desactiven" a las Fuerzas de Seguridad como requisitos previos para declarar una tregua.

El último boletín del grupo terrorista, el Zutabe 109 correspondiente al mes de diciembre, recoge las exigencias de ETA para interrumpir su actividad, según publica en su edición de hoy "El Correo". En esta publicación la banda asegura que está "aburrida" de las peticiones que se le formulan para que haga un alto el fuego.

The above gives the source as Zutabe 109 via El Correo Vasco and the following is tha claim of authorship.
El mismo boletín confirma el envío de cartas recientes a "decenas de agentes y medios de comunicación internacionales" en las que se hacía un llamamiento a los Gobiernos para que "impulsen una solución negociada".
No time for a translation.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Dec 6th, 2005 at 06:35:07 AM EST


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