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It's the Uniform, Stuipid!

by Estragon
Tue Nov 29th, 2005 at 08:43:05 AM EST

So, it was a pretty rough day for the Bush administration as far as making excuses goes.  

First, there was this.  I'm really not sure what the hell it even meant:

The United States has told the European Union it needs more time to respond to media reports that the CIA set up secret jails in some European nations and transported terror suspects by covert flights, the top EU justice official said Monday.


It seems fairly self evident to me that this is the most bullshit response they could have possibly come up with.  Obviously, if the Bush administration did not create secret torture prisons, then there would be no need for "more time to respond." If you're going to embarrass the country, at least take the time to lie to the world about it semi-convincingly, huh?

This is the classic little kid caught doing something wrong excuse.  No, mom, I'm not breaking any rules.  But there's no way I'm letting you into my room!

Then, they stepped out.  The excuse was formulated, and it was beautiful . . .


So, apparently, after asking for "more time" to respond to allegations that the United States has secret, illegal torture prisons in Europe, this is the best excuse they could come up with:

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice will seek to deflect growing European pressure over allegations that the CIA has been running secret prisons in the region on a trip to the continent next week.

Faced with European demands that the United States explain a newspaper report that secret detention centers to interrogate terrorism suspects were located in two unnamed east European countries, Rice intends to remind the Europeans that they are in a joint fight against an enemy that she says obeys no laws. . . .

"This is a struggle that all free countries, including the countries of Europe, share with us: how to deal with groups of people, individuals, that respect no law, that wear no uniform, that follow no regulations."



Let's make some brief comparisons using the criteria that Rice has established to defend the use of secret, illegal torture prisons:

Do they respect no law?

Terrorists--Check

Americans--Check (i.e. secret, illegal torture prisons)

Do they follow no regulations?

Terrorists--Check

Americans--Check (i.e. secret, illegal torture prisons)

Do they wear a uniform?

Terrorists-No

Americans--Check

Right, so, as we can logically deduce, if the terrorists began to wear uniforms, then they, too could break the law.  And do stuff, like, for example, set up secret, illegal torture prisons.  On the other hand, people from the U.S. do wear uniforms, so it's just peachy if they respect no law and follow no regulations.  Thanks for clearing that up.  I've been confused about the motive behind this whole war on terror thing.  I thought it was about the terrorists' reprehensible behavior, rather than their lack of coordinated outfits.  Stupid, stupid me.




Having secret, illegal torture prisons makes it a bit hard to claim the moral high ground, doesn't it?




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by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Tue Nov 29th, 2005 at 09:10:50 AM EST
Likewise, thanks for posting here...hope to see you post more...(and bring in any Asian perspectives, too...)

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by whataboutbob on Wed Nov 30th, 2005 at 03:43:39 AM EST
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The first stage in a Republican response to critisism. After this we will get pesonally vilified ( or continentaly vilified in the case of Europe ).

Hopefull we will get should some answers at some point.

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by RogueTrooper on Tue Nov 29th, 2005 at 09:48:08 AM EST
Indeed....

A point I was thinking to make... why don't they just start using uniforms once and for all..

Someone said that the only difference between a soldier and a terrorist is a uniform... Fortunately I have friends in the spanish army who have been in peace missions around the world (actuially their only army operation on the ground).

They showed me that a militar is something you could be proud of...once in a while.

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by kcurie on Tue Nov 29th, 2005 at 12:49:04 PM EST
I have a few friends In Military Intelligence here in Finland and Sweden (nothing sinister, just stems from a long-term interest in AI).

I've never seen any of them in uniform except in photographs. Because I've only seen them on leave. But in all my conversations with them - and I have quite provocative free-ranging discussions - I have always found them to be humane, sympathetic, aware of all the cultural issues, proud of helping people in the countries they serve (mostly Ex- Yugoslavia), etc.

The only thing we have disagreed upon is on adherence to the law. I believe that when the law is an ass one has a right to violate it in protest. My friends are annoyingly law-abiding and that includes the military work they do. But this must stem from a totally different sense of purpose. Finnish and Swedish troops only serve in peace-keeping operations. The bringing of real justice is what they do - because justice exists for keeping the peace, not retribution or punishment.

I've not talked to any of them about Iraq or US actions - but I look forward to doing so at Christmas. My guess is that they will be disgusted. But let's see...

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by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Nov 29th, 2005 at 04:13:33 PM EST
... I'd be keen to hear about their viewpoints. If you can, and do not break any laws by it ;), please pass them through here.
by Nomad on Wed Nov 30th, 2005 at 06:25:02 AM EST
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I never ask them about operations, and of course they would never reveal them. But we discuss ' the world' a lot, including politics. They have never been reticent before so I guess I might get some interesting views on Iraq (none of them have served there - but I guess they follow what goes on rather more carefully than the average joe. It's a professional interest. They may also have more facts than the average J.

But when I recover from Xmas excess I will certainly report here - no names, no pack drill.

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by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Nov 30th, 2005 at 02:14:13 PM EST
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