European Breakfast - Dec. 13

by Fran
Mon Dec 12th, 2005 at 11:57:04 PM EST

Failure is not a single, cataclysmic event. You don't fail overnight. Instead, failure is a few errors in judgment, repeated every day.

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EU shelves East Jerusalem report over fear of alienating Israel

A controversial report that accuses Israel of rushing to annexe Arab areas of East Jerusalem was shelved by European foreign ministers in Brussels yesterday out of sensitivity to Israel.
Javier Solana, the EU's foreign policy chief, persuaded ministers to drop the report when he warned that Europe's influence over Israel would be severely undermined if it were to be published.

The foreign secretary, Jack Straw, whose diplomats in East Jerusalem drafted the report as part of Britain's EU presidency, announced the climbdown at a meeting of EU foreign ministers. "The political landscape has altered within Israel - there is a general election in a few months time," he said of Ariel Sharon's decision to form a new political party ahead of elections on March 28. "So we thought it was appropriate not to endorse or to publish the document, but instead to continue to make representations about our concerns in the normal way."

Mr Straw acted after Israel reacted angrily to the report, which was obtained by the Guardian last month. It accused Mr Sharon's government of undermining any chance of peace by trying to put the future of Arab East Jerusalem beyond negotiation. The report said: "Israeli activities in Jerusalem are in violation of both its road map [peace plan] obligations and international law."

Israel has occupied East Jerusalem since the 1967 war, and claims it is part of its "indivisible capital". Palestinians want the area, which contains the third holiest site in Islam, as their capital.

Diplomats at the British consulate in East Jerusalem - the British embassy is based in Tel Aviv - concluded that Israel was using the vast new security barrier as a way of expropriating Arab land in and around the city. "This de facto annexation of Palestinian land will be irreversible without very large-scale forced evacuations of settlers and the rerouting of the barrier.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Dec 12th, 2005 at 11:59:26 PM EST
Guardian: Schröder faces growing scandal over job with Russian gas giant

Germany's former chancellor Gerhard Schröder was yesterday at the centre of damaging allegations of sleaze over his decision to accept a lucrative job with Russia's biggest company.

Opposition MPs joined forces to denounce Mr Schröder - who last week confirmed that he was to become chairman of state-controlled Russian giant Gazprom's North European Gas Pipeline company. Mr Schröder was accused of bringing German politics into disrepute and of "cronyism" and "corruption".

Mr Schröder signed the controversial pipeline deal for a $6bn (£3.4bn) gas link between Germany and Russia under the Baltic Sea with Russia's president, Vladimir Putin, just two weeks before leaving office.

The former chancellor yesterday rejected the criticism and announced that he would take legal action over reports he would be paid between €200,000 (£134,000) and €1m a year. Those figures are "much too high", Mr Schröder told the Süddeutsche Zeitung newspaper.

"For me it is a thing of honour to help with the pipeline project," he was quoted as saying. "I supported the project politically in the past because I think it makes sense."

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 12:02:43 AM EST
Good then Gerhard...

...what one does for honour one does for free.

by gradinski chai on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 12:22:54 AM EST
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Spiegel Online: LETTER FROM BERLIN - Schröder to Build Putin's Pipeline

Former German chancellor Gerhard Schröder has caused an uproar by accepting a job with Russian-German consortium building a gas pipeline under the Baltic Sea. The deal was only signed in September -- two weeks before the elections that led to Schröder's retirement from politics -- giving the whole affair an aura of unsavory favoritism.

Gerhard Schröder may no longer have the lead role on Germany's political stage, but it didn't take long for the ex-chancellor to once again ruffle feathers in Berlin. On Friday, Schröder confirmed he would head an advisory committee of a massive undersea Russian-German gas project, sparking a storm of protest about a potential conflict of interest.

Schröder, along with his old chum Russian President Vladimir Putin, signed off on the €4-billion gas pipeline less than a fortnight before he lost Germany's general election in September. Now only weeks after leaving office he has agreed to take a plum job in a project headed by partially state-owned Russian energy giant Gazprom. Not surprisingly, the move has eyebrows raised across Germany.

Regardless of his true intentions, Schröder should know better. His decision to head the advisory board of the North European Gas Pipeline (NEGP) appears as if he is being rewarded for pushing through the politically sensitive project that will stretch from western Siberia to Germany's Baltic Sea coast. Although not yet official, Schröder will reportedly earn €1 million a year from the consortium that belongs 51 percent to Gazprom. The remaining 49 percent is controlled by German energy firm Eon and a subsidiary of BASF.

The deal is set to help secure Germany's strategic energy needs from 2010, but it has annoyed both Poland and Ukraine since the pipeline's sea route will bypass both of those Kremlin-critical countries -- denying them transit fees and potentially exposing them to greater Russian pressure over energy supplies.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 12:50:39 AM EST
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  • this project will happen, but there will be a lot of noise around it, most of it generated by people who should know better, and amplified by people who don't understand a thing about pipelines;

  • this pipeline is necessary both to Russia and to Western Europe to transport the growing volumes of gas that must flow east to west;

  • neither Ukraine nor Poland will lose any transit fees, as the gas transported will be in addition to that already goign through the existing pipes in their countries. This debate sounds remarkable like that about the UK rebate: it's the increase that decreases, not the absolute amount...

  • as to Schöder's role, I don't see how this particular role is harmful or corrupt yet. It is a Russian-German JV with high stakes, and the highest level of representation on the Russian side, so I don't see why the Germans would not push forward a heavyweight friendly to the Russians.


In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 03:41:55 AM EST
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I also support the pipeline, especially since it doesn't rule our that it can be connected to the pipeline systems in the Baltics and Poland.

Nevertheless, Gerhard Schröder joins a long line of former German politicians who becom too greedy, too fast after leaving office: Graf Lambsdorff, or Helmut Kohl (who earned 300.000 Euro p.a. from Leo Kirch for who knows what).

He was a failure as a chancellor and now he manages even to be a failure as an ex-chancellor.

by jandsm on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 03:47:59 AM EST
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Failure as a chancellor? You must be joking! Since last March Germany's unemployment rate is constantly sinking and the GDP growth rate is now higher than that of the UK. Next summer Germany will once again host and win the World Cup and (due to the failure of the UK EU presidency and the inflexibility of Chirac in France) give a major boost to European politics. Murkle understands this and will therefore continue Gerd's policies under the stern and watchfull eye of the German social democratic party.

"The USA appears destined by fate to plague America with misery in the name of liberty." Simon Bolivar, Caracas, 1819
by Ritter on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 12:07:24 PM EST
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Great, great stuff, Gerd!

You single handidly and on totally peaceful terms achieved a mutually beneficial accord between what were once considered arch enemy nations in order to provide the EU Member States with a secure and sustainable flow of environmently friendly energy were our Anglo-Saxon partners to the far, far East (far beyond the right of Siberia and the Stalin gulags of Kamchatka) failed spectacularly although they even engaged in starting new wars of agression and in the criminal killing of thousands of their own soldiers and many more innocent citizens.

And what I like still more: Gerd, you did this and you are not even an Ivy League alumni, you were not trained by the American Free Enterprise Institute and you don't hold a Harvard MBA degree.

Gerd, you rock! Big time.

"The USA appears destined by fate to plague America with misery in the name of liberty." Simon Bolivar, Caracas, 1819

by Ritter on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 11:52:52 AM EST
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Independent: France puts EU enlargement on the line in bid to save farm subsidies

The EU's new former Communist countries are to be offered further concessions tomorrow under new plans designed to isolate France and clinch a deal in a tense negotiation over the EU's budget.

Britain, which holds the presidency of the EU, is also prepared to reduce the value of the UK's rebate and probably to make that change permanent.

With the row over the budget due to reach a climax at a summit starting on Thursday, France issued a veiled threat to hold up future enlargement of the EU unless there is a deal over EU spending for 2007-13.

Paris is resisting British demands that a review of EU spending in 2008-9 should lead to concrete changes to the EU's Common Agricultural Policy before 2013. Instead of fighting on two fronts at once, Tony Blair will seek to bring on board the eight ex-Communist nations which stand to lose billions in subsidies under spending cuts proposed by the UK.

By putting forward an increase in EU expenditure, Britain hopes to rally the Eastern European countries behind its revised proposal before seeking to pressure France into agreeing to a wide-ranging clause reviewing agriculture spending.

One British source said: "Is France really saying that it is going to hold up a funding deal for the whole of Europe? We think the new members will gradually come round to the idea that a deal this week is in their best interests. If we don't get one now, they might have to wait a long time.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 12:05:50 AM EST
Guardian: Blair plans compromise on EU rebate

Tony Blair is preparing to give ground to Jacques Chirac later this week over the EU budget by offering to make further - and permanent - cuts to its rebate.

As France threatened to block EU enlargement unless Britain slashed its rebate by £9.3bn, Mr Blair was putting the finishing touches to a series of concessions yesterday.

Jack Straw, the foreign secretary, will make the first move in the House of Commons tomorrow when he outlines proposals to offer money to the new EU member countries in eastern and central Europe.

Protests from countries such as Poland, which has threatened to veto the budget negotiations after Britain proposed a £9.3bn cut in structural funds for the east, has persuaded Britain that it will have to offer extra funds. This may be achieved by increasing the planned £564bn budget from 1.03% of the EU's overall income to 1.04%. The budget will be for 2007-13.

Britain hopes that sweeteners to the EU's new recruits will persuade Poland not to use its veto and make it more difficult for Mr Chirac to accuse Britain of abandoning the east.

Downing Street will wait until the European summit in Brussels on Thursday and Friday before wooing Mr Chirac with an offer to cut the rebate by more than the £5.3bn offered last week.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 12:08:31 AM EST
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EU budget impasse 'will hit expansion'

France warned the UK yesterday that expansion of the European Union could be hit if EU leaders fail to agree a new budget this week.

Speaking at a Brussels meeting of foreign ministers, Philippe Douste-Blazy, the French foreign minister, said the EU needed to think hard about beginning a new wave of enlargement. He added that further expansion of the 25-nation bloc could be open to question if the EU failed to finance last year's entry of 10 new member states with a budget this week.

"Should we go on with a new wave of enlargement?" he asked. "Is this the right moment . . . when the EU has yet to find the institutional or financial solutions to the challÃ,­enges of the enlargement we have already carried out?"

At the centre of the debate is the former Yugoslav RepÃ,­ublic of Macedonia, which the European Commission believes should be formally declared a candidate for membership. But Brussels has not yet named a date for the start of talks and privately officials say there is no chance of negotiations next year.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 12:16:53 AM EST
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Ah, Macedonia is at the centre of the debate. Well now...

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 02:06:15 AM EST
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BBC: Barroso seeks further rebate cuts

European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso has written to UK Prime Minister Tony Blair asking for more cuts to the UK rebate.

The UK has offered to cut 8bn euros (£5bn) from the rebate between 2007 and 2013 but Mr Barroso called for "a further effort from the UK".

He said this could unlock agreement on the budget at a summit later this week.

The UK is currently working on a new budget proposal after its first one was rejected by the other states last week.

The UK's first proposal set the overall level of expenditure at 1.03% of the EU's gross national income, and envisaged a significant cut in the amount of development aid for the 10 new member states, which joined the EU in 2004.

"New member states need to be offered significantly higher levels of investment than in the current proposals," Mr Barroso said.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 12:41:28 AM EST
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Deutsche Welle: Britain Tells EU to Expect No Surprises As Budget Crisis Looms

As EU foreign ministers met for the final time before their make-or-break summit this week, the fractious bloc looked no closer to coming up with a proposal for the EU budget which would satisfy everyone.

For those who brought even a modicum of hope with them to the meeting in Brussels, the possibility of current European Union president Britain presenting new proposals to ease the impasse died quickly as British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw announced as way of introduction the fact that there would be nothing to discuss.

Diplomats at the meeting said the foreign ministers spent less than a minute on the 2007-2013 budget since there were no new British proposals on offer. "It lasted 45 seconds," one said. Straw merely said London would put forward revised proposals during the week but added that London would not pay any price for an agreement.

"We're not in for a deal at any price," Straw told reporters, referring to the pressure Britain has been under to relinquish more of its annual rebate to fund aid to new east European members in the budget.

Straw's stance makes it look increasingly unlikely that that there would be any concessions on the long-term EU budget when the ministers of the 25-nation bloc convene on Wednesday. When pressed on whether there was a chance of an accord being agreed upon on Thursday and Friday, Straw told reporters: "I can't say."

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 12:56:41 AM EST
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One British source said: "Spin, spin, spin spin."

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When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 02:04:17 AM EST
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One British source said: "Is France really saying that it is going to hold up a funding deal for the whole of Europe? We think the new members will gradually come round to the idea that a deal this week is in their best interests. If we don't get one now, they might have to wait a long time.
I don't read this as spin, but as another thinly veiled threat that, if the budget is not agreed during the British presidency, Britain will prevent one from being reached during 2006.

Britain has too much at stake and is clearly not acting an honest broker. Austria and Finland are both much better placed to act as honest brokers here.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 03:58:37 AM EST
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a deal this week is in their best interests. If we don't get one now, they might have to wait a long time.
That is, if France does not let the UK have its way, the new member states will have to wait for a long time.

And since it is a native speaker saying this, they can't claim that they somehow fumbled their pronouns.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 04:19:14 AM EST
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I agree but see what Jerome says below. There's a new frame on the situation that the UK is putting out through the Eng-lang media, since it had started to be clear Britain had lost contact with the new member states. The new frame is a tendentious if not fraudulent presentation of the facts, aka spin.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 06:36:10 AM EST
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It seems to me that it is not a frame put out throught the English media as spin, but the actual UK negotiating position. Apparently that's what Blair himself said in the press conference after he met with the Visegrad group a couple of weeks ago. DoDo and I discussed it in last week's EU (p)review (linked), where I also dug up some amazing remarks by a UK minister at an EP committee meeting.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 06:41:48 AM EST
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Migreu,

From reading about the EU, your comments appear to be spot on. What benefit is there to the UK to behave in this manner over the EU budget?

Also I want to clarify some very thoughtless remarks I made on 8 Dec 2005 in Frans column.

I deeply apologize for any upset my remarks caused. As an American I am having a great deal of trouble with the now known fact of just how involved the American government is involved in all the various aspects of the atrocities associated with Torture, Renditions, Secret Prisons etc. Though I love my country, It makes me feel dirty, deeply ashamed, beyond outrage and physically sick to my stomach. When I saw your reaction to my comments, I realized what my state of mind was, and decided I needed a few days off Blogs to get my thinking straightened out.

The European Tribune did an outstanding job of highlighting the various aspects of these crimes last week on their pages. Frankly it was almost a relief to see that your press made it at least visible. That is so much more than the American Corporately owned media did here. I have long admired the manner in which Europeans seem able to so much more sanely think situations through, and formulate possible outcomes and solutions. So, I responded like an angry and scared child wanting my older and wiser cousins to come rescue us, instead of as a sane adult. Living in the U.S.A. right now feels like being in an insane asylum, with the inmates in charge.

This is by no means excuses my thoughtlessness, and is offered only as an explanation of my state of mind.

I said After all Bush can't carpet bomb Europe or the corporations would be very angry that their markets are now rubble. I should instead have asked, of what or why is Europe afraid of what the US would do, and why are they not reacting more strongly against these crimes?

You replied I would hope the reason Bush could not carpet bomb Europe would be that the Joint Chiefs of Staff would refuse. I would sincerely hope so.

You know Migeru, I too would like to hope the Joint Chiefs of staff would behave responsibly. Yet with each day that passes, there are new revelations of complete insanity, lies and a yet deeper lowering of conscience and morality by these people. Never in my 60+ years have I seen our government controlled by so many sick, twisted, lying, depraved and perverted pyscopathic individuals.

Input from the Military is rejected by the Bush Administration and, dissenters, with the civilians in charge, will have their careers and lives destroyed. The ONLY thing that seems to catch the attention of these awful people are bottom line corporate wealth and their next great scheme to totally loot the American treasury for generations to come. So I am not sure just how much effect the advice of the Joint Chiefs or any military person would have. And this Criminal Cabal somehow believes it is their "Divine Right" to strike out using Military technology against perceived enemies.

When I used the term "dramatically alter", you responded with "Dramatically alter" meaning the rendition flights would stop over to refuel in North Africa? Perhaps I have misunderstood or not read enough, but I still think that European Pressure would force the Bushitas to back down. My reasons are:

  1. Europe, using diplomacy, has better relations with Mid East countries than does the United States. That translates in more trade with Europe.

  2. THE EU is perceived as "the group" with whom the Mid East prefers to do all its business after the treatment they have received the last 5 years from the Bushita Cabal.

  3. Iran (if they can ever agree on an Oil Minister) and Argentina have already adjusted their countrys' monetary systems to switch from "Petrol Dollars" to "Euro Dollars". Other oil producing countries would follow in retaliation for the bullying hubris of the Bushitas. Perhaps this change would be good for Europe, but in reality it would cause the American economy to completely crash. It would be a public humiliation for the Bush regime. Yet, at the end of the day, it is the 98% of Americans on the lower side of the economic scale that would pay the most penalizing price.

I realize this is a long comment, and somewhat off topic from today's discussion. Yet I felt I did not have the right to participate in any of these discussions, if I did not attempt to make my amends. Please forgive my faux pas.  

"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within." Cicero
by Grandma M on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 10:12:58 AM EST
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Grandma M, I have two things to say.

  1. I am too cynical for a 30-year-old
  2. I have a tendency to apply a 90-degree turn to people's comments
  3. I put a lot of obscure irony in what I write, and I can't count to two.


En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 10:20:51 AM EST
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Thank you Migeru.

As to not being able to count to two, seems like math and scientific logic are your forte with the name of your email address. I use to teach at a college in New Hampshire - language  and absolutely nothing to do with science or math. Where do you teach/work? Ever the curious teacher I am!

"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within." Cicero

by Grandma M on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 10:29:56 AM EST
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I don't teach any more. My students could not stand my (mis)demeanor.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 10:44:31 AM EST
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The problem with all that maths and logic is that arithmetic becomes more complicated than it seems ("2 + 2? You mean base 10, right? And that little cross sign, that's integer addition?") . And anyway, he's a physicist, which means he has to do experiments to confirm the outcome of this "counting" thing, if it exists.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 01:17:23 PM EST
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I'm not a physicist, I'm a dilettante.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 01:49:38 PM EST
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The EU's new former Communist countries are to be offered further concessions tomorrow under new plans designed to isolate France and clinch a deal in a tense negotiation over the EU's budget.

Are they totally stupid, or really, really devious??

Until the budget proposal, France was supposedly isolated. Then the proposal came, were somewhat nice to France, but very nasty to supposed friends in Eastern Europe, thus triggering notes the Blair was isolated. Now, the new proposals will allow for a reconciliation with the new members, and leave France as the lone hold out?

Even if true, how is that progress, as we bump up again on the initial problems, still unresolved? Do they really think that we should think the world of Blair for solving a problem he created in the first place with his proposal?

Was the problem created just to show that Blair can "solve" problems with the new members, who are reasonable, but not with unreasonable France? Seriously?

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 03:55:59 AM EST
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Friction with UK causes Warsaw to seek allies elsewhere

Friction between Warsaw and London over the British proposal for the 2007-2013 EU budget, which could see as much as €14bn ($16.5bn, £9.4bn)) cut in funds for new member states, is forcing Poland to look elsewhere in Europe for allies in the negotiations.

Britain won a positive image in Poland by being one of only three EU members to fully open its labour markets to the 10 countries that joined in 2004.

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But Britain's hardball negotiating tactics over the budget are leaving bruised feelings in Warsaw and the French government has been making strenuous efforts to improve relations with the new Polish regime.

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Poland has also found new reasons to co-operate with France as both countries are significant beneficiaries of the EU's Common Agricultural Policy, leading to what the Polish foreign ministry called a "micro-alliance with France".

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For Poland, Britain's view of the EU seems to have been captured by a controversial e-mail sent by Charles Crawford, the British ambassador in Warsaw, to his superiors in London.

He denounced the "hypocrisy and absurdity" of the budgeting process and criticised the "rudeness and ingratitude" of the EU's new central European members.

Mr Crawford's office explained the leaked e-mail was a joke. The Polish foreign ministry plans to invite him over to discuss the differences between Polish and British senses of humour. But Polish officials in Brussels were aghast at Mr Crawford's "joke memo", saying it would only fuel concerns in eastern Europe about Britain's reliability as a partner.

"This will do dramatic damage to Britain's image in eastern Europe," said one official. "It will be difficult to persuade people to trust the Brits in future. Tony Blair will have to pay more now to allay those concerns."

"It was always absurd for Polish politicians to talk about building a new EU based on relations with London. That's why I'm grateful for Crawford's letter because it's a lesson on Britain's views of the EU," said Marek Sarjusz-Wolski, editor of the Unia & Polska, a monthly focusing on European issues.

Remember that Straw endorsed it.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 05:35:34 AM EST
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It was always absurd for Polish politicians to talk about building a new EU based on relations with London.
Take a map of Europe and highlight Spain, Franch, Germany and Poland. That is the natural extension of the Franco-German axis.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 05:53:52 AM EST
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Good to see some Polish reaction to the "joke".

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 07:11:20 AM EST
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Those poles don't understand British humour.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 07:14:50 AM EST
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I have an idea. Why don't we all accept Blair's budget, and then next year ask that his budget, which we will name through a leaked email to the press "the most immoral, useless, policy ever, give or take communism", be reviewed before 2008?

Now in paragraph above replace "Blair's/his budget" with "the CAP".

by Alex in Toulouse on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 04:54:53 AM EST
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I have a better idea. Why don't we call the UK's bluff? Let's have no agreement this month and let the UK block any agreement in 2006. We'll have no budget. The current 6-year budget will be extended, the European Parliament will have control of the allocations, the accession of Romania and Bulgaria will be postponed, the EU will grind to a halt, and then maybe people will say "oh, shit, we need to fix this" and actually try to fix things?

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 05:03:03 AM EST
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Another idea, have them join Euroland. Then they'll really start getting the feel of Europe. Frankly, in my experience, the first day I used my euros outside of France was after taking a 1h30 train to Brussels ... I was speechless: it was awesome to buy beer in Brussels with the same (type of) coins I had used the night before in Paris.

I also remember being with a Serbian friend and her ex-husband, who is Bosnian, on the night that Slovenia joined the EU: we did the countdown and slammed champagne ... this is, in essence, what Europe is about. The spirit.

by Alex in Toulouse on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 05:17:42 AM EST
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That is the problem, to judge from the press (tabloid and not) and the political discourse, the British don't share the spirit. They are happily insular. Then again, I wonder if the Welsh and Scottish have a different attitude to Europe than the English do. The Irish seem to.

Look, I have no problem with Norway, the UK and Switzerland staying out of the political EU. EFTA and the EEA are good enough.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 05:30:04 AM EST
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It also shows in small things. Cars from most EU countries have new licence plates with the EU sign on it. They look the same for most countries - but I have yet to see a british car with the EU sign on.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 05:49:22 AM EST
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Hey Fran that reminds me of something I noticed. EU countries place their flag and a EU flag behind their president/prime minister when he/she makes a speech or press conference. Well, it seems that Bush's US has stepped up the fight and now puts 3 flags behind their president. I just started noticing this the other day ... there were 3 American flags behind Bush ... at first I thought "geez why so many flags", but then it made sense when I tied it to Europe. Maybe I'm wrong, it's just a hypothesis.
by Alex in Toulouse on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 05:56:01 AM EST
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I counted about a dozen cars with European "GB" plates today on the way home from the tube station (10 minute walk, brisk pace). I would say the percentage of cars with EU plates is in the low single digits. Then again, only the newer cars would have them in any case, but I wonder if it is a voluntary choice?

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 03:42:58 PM EST
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You're totally right, particularly about the EFTA/EEA bit (which I'm sure would anyhow satisfy the Brits, since any poll on perceptions of the EU in the UK will tell you that it's the "horrible Brussels political machine" that they hate the most). So that makes you right yet again. We're going to have to do something about that. People can't just walk around being right all the time.

Like you, I don't know about the Welsh and the Scots, but if the English are against something, it's almost certain that the Welsh and Scots will be in favour of that same thing, just to piss off the English.

by Alex in Toulouse on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 05:52:08 AM EST
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I'm not sure about this, though it does seem to me there's a more edgy anti-Europeanism among the English, more tendency to crow and think they're superior. Also the Welsh and Scots have more to gain in regional aid (and CAP!) than the richer, particularly Southern, English.

But everybody in the UK has been subjected to the same Europhobic propaganda for the past twenty-five years. Not much hope, I'm afraid.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 06:51:01 AM EST
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Let's see how much of the UK is eligible for regional aid...

Objective 1

All these regions have a number of economic signals/indicators "in the red":
  • low level of investment;
  • a higher than average unemployment rate;
  • lack of services for businesses and individuals;
  • poor basic infrastructure.




En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 06:57:42 AM EST
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Objective 2
Objective 2 of the Structural Funds aims to revitalise all areas facing structural difficulties, whether industrial, rural, urban or dependent on fisheries. Though situated in regions whose development level is close to the Community average, such areas are faced with different types of socio-economic difficulties that are often the source of high unemployment. These include:
  • the evolution of industrial or service sectors;
  • a decline in traditional activities in rural areas;
  • a crisis situation in urban areas;
  • difficulties affecting fisheries activity.



En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 07:00:31 AM EST
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So the UK is a net contributor to the EU budget. Bug deal! If the EU budget went away, do you think the UK would make up for the lost structural funds to the peripheral regions of the UK (including Cornwall and the North of England)? Doubtful. As far as UK economic policy makers are concerned, the people of those regions should just join the thriving "unskilled service job market". Would you like fries with that?

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 07:19:42 AM EST
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There are some other structural funds.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 07:02:06 AM EST
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Hey, hey... See that little red dot of misery in the centre of England that qualifies for Objective One/Two ? That's where I am from...

</regional pride snark>

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 07:22:01 AM EST
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You're just benefit leeches all of you </new labour snark>

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 07:23:31 AM EST
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Independent: US planes carrying prisoners were allowed to land in Britain, says Straw

The British Government has been accused of adopting a "hear no evil, see no evil" approach over CIA flights carrying terrorist suspects for possible torture, after Jack Straw said a Whitehall search revealed no evidence of US requests for such flights into UK airspace.

The Foreign Secretary admitted for the first time that he had agreed to two rendition requests made by the US authorities under the Clinton administration while he was Home Secretary. Both were for landings in the UK related to rendition - or delivery of prisoner - flights to the United States. "This could be regarded as rendition," he said.

Mr Straw said he approved the requests for stop-overs in the UK because the prisoners were due to be put on trial in the United States. But another, where a suspect was being taken to a third country, was refused by Mr Straw because he was "not satisfied" about the circumstances.

The Foreign Secretary said the Home Office and the Foreign Office had checked their records carefully and found that no such requests had been made by the Bush Administration.

In October, Mr Straw told MPs he had not approved any requests, but officials said last night he was referring to events since the 11 September, 2001, attacks on New York.

Liberty, the human rights organisation, said last night that Mr Straw's replies to Menzies Campbell, the Liberal Democrat foreign affairs spokesman, raised more questions than they answered. They left open the possibility that the Bush administration had used British airports without asking permission, a Liberty spokesman said.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 12:11:32 AM EST
Financial Times: Poland to examine claims of secret CIA jails

The Polish government is launching an inquiry into whether the country hosted Central Intelligence Agency prisons on its territory, Kazimierz Marcinkiewicz, the prime minister, announced on Monday.

The charge by US-based Human Rights Watch that the US intelligence agency kept prisoners accused of terrorism in Poland has been consistently rejected by Aleksander Kwasniewski, the Polish president.

However, local media have uncovered evidence that US aircraft were stopping at Szymany, an obscure airport in northern Poland.

On Saturday, the Gazeta Wyborcza newspaper quoted airport workers saying a US Gulfstream executive jet used the airport in December 2002, and three times more in 2003, when a Boeing 737 also landed at the airport.

The workers said that the aircraft did not refuel and were met on the tarmac by buses with darkened windows, apparently from a nearby military base at Stare Kielkuty, which is used for intelligence training.

According to the Polish edition of Newsweek, a senior official in the office of Mr Marcinkiewicz refused to deny press reports about a secret prison.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 12:21:49 AM EST
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OH MY GOOD GOD!!!

How many intelligence bases (a/k/a "School of the Americas) does the USA have over the world?

This was total news for me. I had no idea they proliferated the bases for so called "intelligence training".

"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within." Cicero

by Grandma M on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 10:41:51 AM EST
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New Labour rolls over and plays dead for the neocons.
by gradinski chai on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 12:28:57 AM EST
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Independent: Torture victim: 'They would cut me 30 times in two hours'

Benyam Mohammed al-Habashi is accused by the US government of planning a dirty bomb attack in America. He says he was tortured until he admitted the crime.

He was arrested at Karachi airport in April 2002, with a passport under the name of Fouad Zouawi, a friend, and with a ticket to Zurich and then on to London.

In documents compiled by the human rights lawyer Clive Stafford Smith, he describes an encounter with someone he believes to be an MI6 officer and details the horror of his torture. Mr Habashi says the officer told him 'I'll see what we can do with the Americans'. "They gave me a cup of tea with a lot of sugar in it. He said 'Where you're going you need a lot of sugar'."

He was taken to Morocco and questioned, then tortured after refusing to admit links al-Qa'ida links.

"They took the scalpel to my right chest. One of them took my penis in his hand and began to make cuts. I was in agony. They must have done this 20 to 30 times in maybe two hours. They would do it to me about once a month."

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 12:29:52 AM EST
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by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 01:38:49 AM EST
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Oh, great -- now I'm gonna have bad dreams!

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes
by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 01:41:49 AM EST
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You know, I don't have to go to sleep to have bad dreams - she is a nightmare all by herself.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 01:46:17 AM EST
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Ain't that the truth!  Still, I think Cheney is more scary.

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes
by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 01:50:56 AM EST
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Yes, but as Cheney is hiding in his bunker most of the time, at least one can forget about him once in while. Rice, however, is allover the press and hard to avoid.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 02:01:31 AM EST
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Oh, sure, true for you guys -- we hardly see her.  Come to think of it, we don't see Cheney that often either, but that weird smile haunts me like an evil Cheshire cat...

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes
by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 02:04:15 AM EST
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Title for a new TV horror series.

Sweet dreams, Izzy.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 02:15:33 AM EST
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Condi is more insidious and covert, therefore more dangerous than Cheney's evil, which is plainly obvious to the world. Some Congressional staffers have told me they have digitized pictures of Cheney on posters, appropriately dressed as Darth Cheney.

"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within." Cicero
by Grandma M on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 10:33:48 AM EST
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emasculated.  It's all Condi and Hillary's fault. <snark>
by wchurchill on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 02:30:56 AM EST
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It's going to be a hell of a presidential election in 2008.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 03:59:56 AM EST
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Berliner Zeitung: When Allies Become Accomplices to Terror

Bush and Company: Shooting Western World in the Foot?The terrorism against Western societies cannot result in victory for the perpetrators, but the so-called war on terror can be lost offhandedly by the West itself. To no small degree, this prospect has been helped by U.S. President George W. Bush's decision to declare war on Islamist terror on the one hand and the decision to makes the laws of war inapplicable to terrorists on the other.

Never before has an American administration cut such a swathe in the field of international law - an unlawful war of aggression was legitimized and confessions extracted through torture were deemed admissible in courts of law. And never before has an American administration fought a no-holds-barred battle, one without any rules - for democracy - that has turned so many democracies into accomplices.

But instead of openly declaring their complicity, European governments have silently aided and abetted. This does not refer to tolerating secret CIA-agent flights in European airspace - though it is good to know that CIA agents are still unbridled in their movements. Rather, the complicity began with the knowledge that these agents were accompanying suspected terrorists on their way to European and non-European torture chambers. The justifiable suspicion exists that European governments not only knew of the torture, but that they also benefited from the coerced testimony so gathered.

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The War on Terror cannot be waged with terrorism. Not until European governments have grasped this, not until the next President of the United States of America also understands this, can accomplices once more become allies.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 01:54:03 AM EST
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But instead of openly declaring their complicity, European governments have silently aided and abetted.

(...)

The justifiable suspicion exists that European governments not only knew of the torture, but that they also benefited from the coerced testimony so gathered.

Yes. This needs to be said and repeated and they must pay for it.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 04:06:06 AM EST
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Agree this must be said-repeatedly!!

Yet how can we (collectively US and Europe) make them all pay for it and realistically what can we do?

"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within." Cicero

by Grandma M on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 10:38:24 AM EST
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NRC Handelsblad: American Actions Do Not Justify Trust

There is good reason to take the words of an important member of the American Government seriously. Earlier this week, Condoleezza Rice told an audience in Kiev that the United States has obligations with regard to the U.N. charter against torture. It does not allow cruel, inhumane and humiliating treatment of suspects; "and American personnel, wherever they are, inside or outside the U.S., are bound by these obligations." Rice elaborated on her speech at NATO headquarters in Brussels, clearing up the issues of treatment of terror suspects, secretive detention facilities and secret CIA flight - issues that divided Europe and America - in one fell swoop.

But there is also reason to be cautiously reserved about what Rice had to say. However, caution was not what we heard from Brussels yesterday. It is remarkable how quickly skepticism can turn into benevolence and obedience. Dutch Secretary of State Ben Bot, who earlier this week stated in the Dutch Congress that American statements regarding the existence of CIA prisons were "unsatisfactory," said that he was "very satisfied" with Rice's explanation. However, there was no detailed explanation, or further proof, or in other words: real arguments that would put the long running rumors to bed. In the same way as Rice was unwilling to give specifics, Bot was unable to elaborate. The implicit message: we have to trust the words of the American Secretary.

Leg Irons and Hand Cuffs at Guantanamo Bay.

But the recent unpleasant experiences with American actions do not justify trust. Guantanamo Bay and Abu Ghraib provide facts that no one can ignore. Until there is real evidence that the abuse of terror suspects at the American naval base in Cuba have stopped can there be any reason for satisfaction. That is not the case today, in the same way that there are still too many questions swirling around the alleged CIA prisons, and ditto for the [secret] flights. Not only does the American government have to come up with additional specific information, so does Bot (and with him the Dutch Government). He will also have to elaborate in a much more detailed and precise manner than the vague terminology used by Secretary Rice.  

It is important to keep a very close eye on Washington over this matter. Vice President Cheney (and by extension President Bush) doesn't want a legally binding prohibition against the cruel treatment of terror suspects. On the other hand, Republican Senator and "expert-by-experience" McCain - POW in Vietnam - is pushing for just such a clause through an amendment to the defense budget bill. McCain is on the right track: there is a lot of wiggle room between verbal policy rhetoric and legislation, and not until McCain's amendment is signed into law will Condoleezza Rice's solemn policy proposals be legally binding.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 02:00:15 AM EST
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Trust, once lost, is the hardest thing to rebuild.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 04:00:32 AM EST
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It is remarkable how quickly skepticism can turn into benevolence and obedience.

Our leaders do not desrves to be trusted either, it would seem. Our press seems to be doing its job somewhat better.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 04:08:08 AM EST
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The Republicans are now saying they can come up with an "acceptable compromise" for the McCain Amendment.As an American I cannot even begin to understand how compromise and torture can even be joined in any manner.

To put it bluntly isn't that analogous to arguing how much incest is too much, or how much pedophilia is tolerable, or any other number of horrors being compromised?

"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within." Cicero

by Grandma M on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 10:49:40 AM EST
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The Foreign Secretary admitted for the first time that he had agreed to two rendition requests made by the US authorities under the Clinton administration while he was Home Secretary. Both were for landings in the UK related to rendition - or delivery of prisoner - flights to the United States. "This could be regarded as rendition," he said.

Mr Straw said he approved the requests for stop-overs in the UK because the prisoners were due to be put on trial in the United States. But another, where a suspect was being taken to a third country, was refused by Mr Straw because he was "not satisfied" about the circumstances.

The Foreign Secretary said the Home Office and the Foreign Office had checked their records carefully and found that no such requests had been made by the Bush Administration.

  • confuse the issue by admitting to doing renditions - but under Clinton. See, Clinton did the same

  • remind us of the civilised standards of that time (renditions for trials in the USA) to make us infer that such are still the standards now

  • and deny that anything is happening today.

Typical modus operandi. You got to hand it over to them, they are good at this.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 04:01:15 AM EST
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To this you can add one more.

In the USA young teenagers will state as their final "strong" argument to escape responsibility But everyone else does it!

Yes, the Republicans in America absolutely excell at this type of terribly juvenile behaviour.

"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within." Cicero

by Grandma M on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 10:54:38 AM EST
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The News: Turkey seeks CIA help to fight PKK

ANKARA: Turkey wants the United States to provide more intelligence to help it fight the outlawed Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK), a government spokesman said on Monday during a visit by the head of the CIA. Turkish forces have been battling an armed campaign by the PKK, which is on the US and EU lists of foreign terrorist organisations, in the southeast since 1984. The violence, at its height in the 1980s and 1990s, dwindled when the PKK declared a unilateral ceasefire in 1999, but the group recently took up arms again.

"Turkey has expectations from the United States especially in the fight against the separatist terrorist organisation, both in the sense of sharing information and also the measures that can be built on this," Justice Minister and government spokesman Cemil Cicek told a news conference. He did not elaborate.

Central Intelligence Agency Director Porter Goss is in Ankara to meet senior officials, including Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan and members of the Nato country's key National Intelligence Organisation (MIT). "He is here to discuss the many areas we cooperate on in intelligence, such as international terrorism and the PKK," a US official in Ankara told Reuters.

FBI Director Robert Mueller visited Turkey only a few days ago. The United States considers Turkey, which is seeking EU membership, a key ally in the region.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 12:25:09 AM EST
Porter Goss - Another Bushita syncophant!

Discuss intelligence as in renditions? more secret gulags?

Since Israel's Mossad is working with the Kurdish parties in Northern Iraq, it will be interesting if there will be a real or staged conflict with the
American CIA.

"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within." Cicero

by Grandma M on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 11:18:33 AM EST
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BBC: Nato in a spin over Afghan expansion

The size and mission of the British military force due to be sent to southern Afghanistan next year as part of Nato plans to expand its peacekeeping operations are being scaled back, the BBC has learned.

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Last week, the Dutch government again postponed a decision on sending 1,100 troops to the volatile southern province of Uruzgan, amid domestic concerns about casualties.

...
Foreign ministers agreed to provide 6,000 troops for the move south at a meeting last week in Brussels, with most coming from Britain - which will lead the alliance's forces - and Canada.

But as so often in the past since Nato took over leadership of the Afghan peacekeeping mission - which it calls its number one priority - the details of this commitment had not been resolved.

Only the Canadian part of the plan is on track, with about half their 2,000 promised troops already in place in Kandahar.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 12:38:11 AM EST
Teheran Times: Uzbekistan tells Germany its troops may stay

TASHKENT (Reuters) -- Uzbekistan, which evicted the U.S. military from a key air base after Washington criticized a bloody crackdown on protesters, said on Monday Germany was welcome to keep its troops in the country.

The final U.S. troops left the Karshi-Khanabad Air Base last month, ending four years at the facility. The Uzbek government gave them six months to leave after the dispute over the killing of hundreds of civilians in Andizhan in May.

The future of Germany's 300-strong presence at an airfield at the southern town of Termez had been uncertain since November, when Uzbekistan told European NATO members it would not let them use its airspace or territory for operations linked to peacekeeping in neighboring Afghanistan.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 12:44:15 AM EST
Spiegel Online: THE WORLD CUP - Greatest Show on Earth Comes to Germany

Everybody, of course, knows that the World Cup is big. But Germany realized on Friday just how big. Some 350 million viewers tuned in to watch the draw and the event went off without a hitch. After all, it was planned down to the last details -- including a bit of censoring.

Soccer, its detractors would have it, is just 22 sweaty men chasing a ball around a field.

On Friday evening in the Leipzig Convention Center, though, it was clear that there is more to the game than that. It was the day of the final draw for the soccer World Cup and the stage -- complete with a pedestal on which the 13 bowls used in the lottery -- is set up for the pomp and circumstance of the event.

And its sheer size. The studio stage -- all 4,800 square meters (51,612 square feet) of it -- holds the most cameras (25) and features the biggest projection screen (106 meters, or 348 feet) in the history of German television. The 116 tons of spotlights and loudspeakers suspended from the ceiling are also a first. In the end, it was the most spectacular World Championship final draw ever -- a show that fits the image of global soccer.

It was also a spectacle that gave Germany -- a country which, in recent years, has provided the image of a country tightening its belt, a place where frugality trumps big spending when it comes to hip-ness -- an opportunity to take center stage. And when 32 teams were divided into eight four-nation groups, the country got its first taste of the magnitude and importance of next year's World Cup.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 12:52:55 AM EST
Soccer, its detractors would have it, is just 22 sweaty men chasing a ball around a field.
In the States, I would say the women's soccer program is on par, maybe higher, than the men's.  Probably due to the change in funding that has gone into women's sports over the past 25 years, and yes, perhaps because we are far from great on the men's side in football (non-American, that is).  But interest is picking up in the US, though slowly.  As for me, "Go England!".  I love the sport.
by wchurchill on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 01:24:50 AM EST
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The US is one of the few countries that takes women sports seriously. Because there is no soccer tradition in the US the men's and women's teams start out on a par, and it says a lot about US women's soccer in particular and collegiate sports in general that the US national team is up there with Brazil at the top of every international competition.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 04:03:21 AM EST
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I believe Saturday's World Cup Draw diary generated more comments than average too...
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 04:04:19 AM EST
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Reuters: Sydney hit by second night of race violence, 7 hurt

SYDNEY, Dec 13 (Reuters) - A second night of unrest in Australia's biggest city Sydney left seven people injured and dozens of cars damaged in apparent reprisal for racial violence on a city beach at the weekend, police said on Tuesday.

Gangs of youths, mainly Muslim and from Middle East backgrounds, attacked several people with baseball bats, vandalised cars and had running skirmishes with police, they said.

At one beach, Maroubra, police said they found 30 Molotov cocktails and crates of rocks stockpiled on rooftops along the beach's main road.

"Eleven men were arrested and seven people, including a police officer, were injured in a second night of unrest," police said on Tuesday.

Racial violence erupted at Sydney's Cronulla Beach on Sunday when some 5,000 people, some yelling racist chants, attacked youths of Middle Eastern background.

Drunk and angry mobs of youths, some wrapped in Australian flags, said they were defending their beach after lifesavers were attacked there last week. They believe the attackers were of Lebanese background.

Police said white supremacists had incited the Cronulla crowd to violence.

Sydney's Lebanese youths struck back on Sunday night, smashing cars, assaulting people and fighting police in several different suburbs.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 12:58:31 AM EST
Guardian: Revenge attacks bring second night of race violence to Sydney

Australia was last night in the grip of its worst race clashes since independence, with youths battering cars and shattering shop windows as violence spread through Sydney's suburbs for a second day.

The attacks came in retaliation for Sunday's violence, in which 5,000 people rampaged across Cronulla beach chanting racist slogans, leaving more than 40 police officers injured. Members of the crowd had wrapped themselves in the Australian flag and chanted: "No more Lebs [Lebanese]", attacking men and women of Middle Eastern appearance. Several victims were evacuated in police vans.

Last night police made several arrests after more than 50 carloads of Middle Eastern men armed with baseball bats sought revenge in the southern Sydney suburb of Cronulla.

More than 500 mainly Muslim men also gathered outside a mosque at Lakemba, in the city's south-west, after rumours that surf gangs were planning to attack the building. They later dispersed, throwing rocks and flares at police protecting the building.

Television images of the fighting shocked Australians, whose pride in their country's tolerance was shaken by the level of popular support for Pauline Hanson's anti-immigration One Nation party in the late 90s. More recently, the prime minister, John Howard, won the 2001 election on a hardline anti-immigration platform.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 01:14:05 AM EST
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Answers, as of a few moments ago, to a poll in The Sydney Morning Herald. "What's most to blame?" The usual disclaimers apply, but note: 44000 respondents.
Reader Poll
Clashes at Cronulla
What's most to blame?
Racism - 25%
Tribalism - 18%
Alcohol - 6%
Xenophobia - 8%
Stupidity - 24%
Poor parenting/schooling - 19%

Total Votes: 43998

by melvin on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 03:01:16 AM EST
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swisspolitics: Bush says he does not live in a bubble

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President George W. Bush said on Monday that he does not live "in a bubble" and that he is well aware of what is going on outside the White House, rejecting critics' claims that he is out of touch with public opinion.

"I don't feel in a bubble," Bush said in an interview on "NBC Nightly News."

Bush said he gets "really good advice" from "very capable people" and that people from all walks of life provide information to him and his advisers.

"I feel very comfortable that I'm very aware of what's going on," Bush said.

But Bush did acknowledge the bubble of security that prevents him from enjoying ordinary experiences.

"I mean you feel in a bubble in the sense that I can't go walking out the front gate and you know, go shopping, like I'd love to do for my wife," he said.

Asked how much television news and newspapers he regularly consumes, Bush moved to dispel a myth that grew a few years ago after he told an interviewer that he does not read newspapers.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 01:21:11 AM EST
 in a bubble--in the sense of protection, and therefore lack of personal freedom.  sorry George, it comes with the territory.
by wchurchill on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 02:34:53 AM EST
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Bush has at least 10 times more "security" than any other US president. He has even hired some of the so called "professionals from private security firms"

That because he is so hated everywhere he goes. When he leaves the US he brings his own Mini Air Force so that his "visit" to other lands is more of an invasion.

Live in a "Bubble" oh yeah! As the Democratic Leader of the House of Representatives said a couple of months ago, delusional, disconnected and dangerous!!!

"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within." Cicero

by Grandma M on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 11:28:53 AM EST
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WTO talks to start in Hong Kong
Six days of world trade talks are set to start in Hong Kong as protesters say free trade could ruin them. [BBC News]
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 02:19:36 AM EST
America's super-rich feel 'under assault' by the media
America's super-rich believe extravagant personalities such as Donald Trump and Paris Hilton are giving them a bad name, according to a wide-ranging survey of the country's wealthiest families. [FT.com / Home Europe]

"They perceive the media to be dominated by images of indulgent and criminal wealth - from Donald Trump and Paris Hilton to Bernie Ebbers," he said. "They have really strong feelings about the extent to which they are under assault."

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Mr Taylor and Doug Harrison, who worked on the project with support from CurtCo Publishing's Worth magazine, argued the survey reflected the largely entrepreneurial and middle class background of a majority of the respondents, 81 per cent of whom had become wealthy in the past 15 years.

"They hate the word luxury because this class represents the triumph of the American middle class .?.?.?luxury offends against their notion of who they are," said Mr Taylor.

Only 8 per cent of those surveyed said they came from wealthy or affluent backgrounds, while 81 per cent said that they would still describe themselves "as middle class at heart".

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 02:46:03 AM EST
British troops nearing partial pullout from Iraq
British troops could begin pulling out from parts of Iraq in six months, according to a senior commanding officer in Basra. [ireland.com Breaking News]
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 02:46:41 AM EST
Not sure if this was flagged before, but worth a mention anyway:


Bush acknowledges about 30,000 Iraqis have died

President George W. Bush yesterday for the first time acknowledged that about 30,000 Iraqis had been killed in the war in Iraq.

"How many Iraqi citizens have died in this war? I would say 30,000, more or less, have died as a result of the initial incursion and the ongoing violence against Iraqis," Mr Bush said in response to a question after a speech on Iraq.

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Following the president's speech, which comes two days before scheduled parliamentary elections in Iraq, Dan Bartlett, White House counsellor, said Mr Bush was simply repeating figures that had been cited in the media. Bryan Whitman, deputy Pentagon spokesman, said the administration had no official estimate for the number killed.

The 30,000 estimate falls within the range compiled by Iraq Body Count, a group that tracks the number of Iraqis killed from media reports. It estimates that between 27,383 and 30,892 Iraqis have lost their lives in violence related to the invasion.



In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 05:40:15 AM EST


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