US falling apart?

by rdf
Sun Dec 18th, 2005 at 07:00:41 PM EST

All the news this weekend has been about the admission by Bush that he authorized warrantless wiretaps by the NSA. This has created a fire storm of protest even extending as far as some prominent Republican senators who have promised hearings after the new year.

There have been a variety of reasons given for the action. The ones I've seen the most often (The * are mostly from the conservatives):

Simple arrogance or lust for power
* Need for immediate response
* Need for heightened observation to fight the terrorists.

The rebuttals to the admin points:
The existing law allows for a warrant application upto 72 hours after the wiretap is started. The heightened need seems to be covered by the existing legislation which is pretty broad already.

My take is that there was an operation planned (or underway) that was so remote from monitoring "terrorists" that even the rubber stamp court that issues warrants would balk. This operation had to come from some area of the government that directs the NSA. Bush was basically instructed to sign a blank check. There is no reason why he would have operational knowledge of individual actions.

The most likely targets from this point of view would be politicians in opposition to the present admin and/or foreign allies. Imagine asking a judge for a warrant to wiretap John Kerry or Tony Blair as "terrorists". This has happened before, most recently with the Nixon "plumbers" who were spying on the Democratic party headquarters.

I'd be interested in hearing the take from Europe on the whole affair. There seems to be something similar brewing in Northern Ireland with a British spy. Or, perhaps, since Bismarck this type of thing is expected.

Any thoughts?


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by Atlantic Review (bl -at- atlanticreview dot org) on Mon Dec 19th, 2005 at 02:35:21 AM EST
I read a comment about this (on dKos?  I'm too tired to search for it now) that speculated the NSA was involved because of Ecshalon (sp?).  I'm not all that familiar with the software, but the data-mining explanation makes a lot of sense to me.

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes
by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Dec 19th, 2005 at 03:19:20 AM EST
There was a huge scandal a few years back when it was revealed that the US and UK were cooperating on spying on  European electronic communications.

By laying out pros and cons we risk inducing people to join the debate, and losing control of a process that only we fully understand. - Alan Greenspan
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Dec 19th, 2005 at 06:25:27 AM EST
[ Parent ]
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July 12, 2001! - EU Releases Echelon Spying Report
Sept. 6, 2001 - Analysis and Recommendations
Echelon UKUSA Spy & Campbell Report for EU Parliament
Remarks former CIA director R. James Woolsey

So What's New? - Electronic Spies

In 1946, Soviet school children presented a two foot wooden replica of the Great Seal of the United States to Ambassador Averell Harriman.

"Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason?
For if it prosper, none dare call it treason."

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by Oui on Mon Dec 19th, 2005 at 07:45:05 AM EST
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There seems to be something similar brewing in Northern Ireland with a British spy

See my diaries ::
IRA-UK Gov't Spy Ring Case Collapsed ¶ British Undercover Agent Was IRA Officer
and posted @BooMan

For extras - NATO ally and EU applicant Turkey ::
Turk Covert Agents Caught in Terror Act ¶ Semdili District in South Turkey
and posted @BooMan

"Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason?
For if it prosper, none dare call it treason."

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by Oui on Mon Dec 19th, 2005 at 05:43:26 AM EST
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 (AP Photo/APTN)
President Bush speaks to the nation in his first address from the Oval Office since he announced the invasion of Iraq in March of 2003.  AP Photo/APTN

How many lives were unnecessarily lost through the mistakes of his leadership.

  • more terror and instability in ME and globally
  • less freedom in Western World through Gov't acts of scrutiny and surveillance
  • American trust has been replaced by fear
  • radicalization in Egypt, Iran, Israel, and Pakistan
  • voice of American freedom lessened in Bolivia

What I Realy Think?

Democrats voted against War Powers Act ::
Akaka (HI) - Bingaman (NM) - Boxer (CA) - Byrd (WV) - Chafee (R-RI) - Conrad (ND) - Corzine (NJ) - Dayton (MN) - Durbin (IL) - Feingold (WI) - Graham (FL) - Inouye (HI) - Jeffords (I-VT) - Kennedy (MA) - Leahy (VT) - Levin (MI) - Mikulski (MD) - Murray (WA) - Reed (RI) - Sarbanes (MD) - Stabenow (MI) - Wellstone (MN) - Wyden (OR)

"Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason?
For if it prosper, none dare call it treason."

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by Oui on Mon Dec 19th, 2005 at 05:46:08 AM EST


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