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by Fran
Sun Dec 4th, 2005 at 11:56:47 PM EST

I'm going to stop procrastinating ... once I get around to it.

unknown (nor surprisingly)

Update [2005-12-5 5:22:53 by Jerome a Paris]: Note that there is an intensive discussion in the comments below about the CIA Secret prisons. You are also invited to read the following diaries:

Torture, Deportation: What Did the German Government Know? by Saturday
CIA, Navy Seals and Military Intelligence Torture & Murder Ignored by Chris Kulczycki
CIA Black Prison on British Territory by Londonbear
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Reuters: US told Germany CIA imprisonment a mistake: report

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States admitted to German officials last year that the CIA had mistakenly imprisoned one of its citizens for five months but asked the German government to remain quiet, according to a U.S. media report on Sunday.

Daniel Coats, then the U.S. ambassador to Germany, told German Interior Minister Otto Schily in May 2004 that Khaled el-Masri had been wrongfully held but would soon be released, the Washington Post reported. He was later freed from a prison in Afghanistan.
The newspaper cited interviews with current and former intelligence and diplomatic officials. CIA officials told Reuters they had no comment.

The account comes as U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice prepared to visit Berlin and other European capitals amid allegations that the United States has committed abuses on the continent while fighting terrorism.

A German prosecutor is probing el-Masri's case but German officials who knew of his ordeal have remained silent, the Post said.

El-Masri, a German national who was arrested in Macedonia on December 31, 2003, has said he was handed to U.S. officials and flown to a secret prison in Afghanistan, where he was held in appalling conditions and interrogated as a terrorism suspect.

He has said he was returned to Europe five months later when the CIA realized they had the wrong man.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Dec 4th, 2005 at 11:59:52 PM EST
WAPO: Wrongful Imprisonment: Anatomy of a CIA Mistake

The CIA inspector general is investigating a growing number of what it calls "erroneous renditions," according to several former and current intelligence officials.

One official said about three dozen names fall in that category; others believe it is fewer. The list includes several people whose identities were offered by al Qaeda figures during CIA interrogations, officials said. One turned out to be an innocent college professor who had given the al Qaeda member a bad grade, one official said.

"They picked up the wrong people, who had no information. In many, many cases there was only some vague association" with terrorism, one CIA officer said.

While the CIA admitted to Germany's then-Interior Minister Otto Schily that it had made a mistake, it has labored to keep the specifics of Masri's case from becoming public. As a German prosecutor works to verify or debunk Masri's claims of kidnapping and torture, the part of the German government that was informed of his ordeal has remained publicly silent. Masri's attorneys say they intend to file a lawsuit in U.S. courts this week.

Masri was held for five months largely because the head of the CIA's Counterterrorist Center's al Qaeda unit "believed he was someone else," one former CIA official said. "She didn't really know. She just had a hunch."

The CIA declined to comment for this article, as did Coats and a spokesman at the German Embassy in Washington. Schily did not respond to several requests for comment last week.

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A week before his release in late May 2004, Masri said he was visited in prison by a German man with a goatee who called himself Sam. Masri said he asked him if he were from the German government and whether the government knew he was there. Sam said he could not answer either question.

"Does my wife at least know I'm here?" Masri asked.
"No, she does not," Sam replied, according to Masri.
Sam told Masri he was going to be released soon but that he would not receive any documents or papers confirming his ordeal. The Americans would never admit they had taken him prisoner, Sam added, according to Masri.

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Several intelligence and diplomatic officials said Macedonia did not want the CIA to bring Masri back inside the country, so the agency arranged for him to be flown to Albania. Masri said he was taken to a narrow country road at dusk. When they let him off, "They asked me not to look back when I started walking," Masri said. "I was afraid they would shoot me in the back."

He said he was quickly met by three armed men. They drove all night, arriving in the morning at Mother Teresa Airport in Tirana. Masri said he was escorted onto the plane, past all the security checkpoints, by an Albanian.

Masri has been reunited with his children and wife, who had moved the family to Lebanon because she did not know where her husband was. Unemployed and lonely, Masri says neither his German nor Arab friends dare associate with him because of the publicity.


by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 12:01:13 AM EST
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Just saw that Saturday used this article in his diary Torture, Deportation: What Did the German Government Know? here on ET.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 12:31:11 AM EST
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to be in this sort of a situation knowing that you've done nothing wrong.

Clear and transparent legal procedures of arrest and access to legal counsel are the best defense we have against this sort of mistake. This is why constitutional democracy is designed with these protections. And even with these defenses mistakes are sometimes made. The secrecy and unaccountability were undoubtedly going to end up with many of these mistakes.

by gradinski chai on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 01:17:56 AM EST
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Yep, we are going back on 600 years of judicial history.

The Us administration and its supporters are basically saying that it is okay to catch as many people as they can, including innocents, provided that they get some guilty terrorists in the lot.

These people are the terrorists. Arresting, torturing and making people disappear just because of their family name? Seriously, how different is that from blowing up people just for being in the wrong street at the wrong time?

They're right, this is an unprecedented danger - but it is them.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 03:40:45 AM EST
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So what do we do about it, keep our cushy finance jobs and pontificate on the internet?

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 03:43:09 AM EST
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Well, it's a start. Do you have a better idea on how to reach lots of people about this?

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 03:45:42 AM EST
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No, I don't have a better idea. I'm a mathematical physicist with close to no interpersonal skills - I have no skills of any value outside an office.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 05:45:37 AM EST
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Perhaps this is the issue upon which we launch our first attempt at an action alert?
by gradinski chai on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 08:51:09 AM EST
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Maybe your Action Alert Primer can be rescued from the archive and frontpaged?

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 09:01:59 AM EST
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Yahoo: US does not send suspects abroad for torture: Hadley

 

US officials have refused to confirm or deny the existence of the secret facilities. But they have defended in general terms the country's use of tough tactics in its global war on terror.

In an interview with CNN, Hadley said there are certain kinds of operations "one cannot talk about."
"The terrorists threaten all of us," he said. "You've seen terror attacks in Britain, in Spain, in Italy, in Turkey, in Russia, in Egypt in Jordan, in Saudi Arabia. This is a threat, really, to the civilized world.

"We need to cooperate together to deal with this terrorist threat that threatens all of us. We're cooperating with a number of countries.

"That cooperation though is characterized by three things: One, we comply with the US Constitution. US laws and US treaty obligations. Secondly, we respect the sovereignty of those countries with whom we cooperate. And three, we do not move people around the world so that they can be tortured."

Asked specifically whether Washington operates secret prisons in Europe, he repeated that Rice will address the issue.

But if such operations were going on "they're the kinds of things that one cannot talk about.
"Why? Because the information would help the enemy. It would compromise the operations and it would put countries who are cooperating with us at risk," he said, stressing that it should not be inferred from his remarks that secret CIA prisons exist.


by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 12:02:42 AM EST
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The Star: CIA ghost flights over Canada

When the 40-seat turboprop landed in St. John's one recent Friday evening, there was no reason to believe ghosts were involved in the procedure.

The U.S. Federal Aviation Administration recorded everything anyone would need to know, it seemed, about the fixed-wing, multi-engine plane, registration number N196D, built in 2003 and registered as a corporate jet.

The corporation is identified as Devon Holding and Leasing Inc., headquartered at a downtown address in Lexington, N.C.

And that is when the ghosts appear.

There is no Devon Holding and Leasing Inc. at 129 W. Center St. in Lexington, N.C. There is no phone listing. The city offices have never heard of it; neither has the Chamber of Commerce.
The law offices of James A. Gleason are at 129 W. Center St., but five days of inquiries there failed to yield an answer to this simple question: Does anyone in this office know of a company called Devon Holding and Leasing?

It is almost certainly a CIA shell company, existing on paper only, and the turboprop was likely carrying a "ghost" prisoner to a country where torture is used during interrogations.

Such covert flights, known as "extraordinary renditions," became infamous in Canada in the case of Maher Arar, the Ottawa man who was tortured in Syria after being whisked away from New York's John F. Kennedy Airport as a suspected terrorist.

The United States denies it tortures suspects.


by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 12:03:32 AM EST
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Commondream: Hard Evidence of U.S. Torturing Prisoners to Death Ignored by Corporate Media

Military autopsy reports provide indisputable proof that detainees are being tortured to death while in US military custody. Yet the US corporate media are covering it with the seriousness of a garage sale for the local Baptist Church.

A recent American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) posting of one of forty-four US military autopsy reports reads as follows: "Final Autopsy Report: DOD 003164, (Detainee) Died as a result of asphyxia (lack of oxygen to the brain) due to strangulation as evidenced by the recently fractured hyoid bone in the neck and soft tissue hemorrhage extending downward to the level of the right thyroid cartilage. Autopsy revealed bone fracture, rib fractures, contusions in mid abdomen,
back and buttocks extending to the left flank, abrasions, lateral buttocks. Contusions, back of legs and knees; abrasions on knees, left fingers and encircling to left wrist. Lacerations and superficial cuts, right 4th and 5th fingers. Also, blunt force injuries, predominately recent contusions (bruises) on the torso and lower extremities. Abrasions on left wrist are consistent with use of restraints. No evidence of defense injuries or natural disease. Manner of death is homicide. Whitehorse Detainment Facility, Nasiriyah, Iraq."

The ACLU website further reveals how: "a 27-year-old Iraqi male died while being interrogated by Navy Seals on April 5, 2004, in Mosul, Iraq. During his confinement he was hooded, flex-cuffed, sleep deprived and subjected to hot and cold environmental conditions, including the use of cold water on his body and hood. The exact cause of death was "undetermined" although the autopsy stated that hypothermia may have contributed to his death.
Another Iraqi detainee died on January 9, 2004, in Al Asad, Iraq, while being interrogated. He was standing, shackled to the top of a doorframe with a gag in his mouth, at the time he died. The cause of death was asphyxia and blunt force injuries.

So read several of the 44 US military autopsy reports on the ACLU website -evidence of extensive abuse of US detainees in Iraq and Afghanistan 2002 through 2004. Anthony Romero, Executive Director of ACLU stated, "There is no question that US interrogations have resulted in deaths." ACLU attorney Amrit Sing adds, "These documents present irrefutable evidence that US operatives tortured detainees to death during interrogations."

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 12:05:40 AM EST
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See also Chris's diary on the ACLU information.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 03:43:12 AM EST
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Independent: The torture files

CIA agents have broken ranks to reveal the 'cruel and inhuman' interrogation techniques they are ordered to use at secret prisons around the world, including freezing and near-drowning.

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The existence of these detention facilities, and what happens inside them, are the most secret aspect of America's "war on terror". In contrast to military-run camps and prisons such as Guantanamo Bay in Cuba or Abu Ghraib in Iraq, where it was impossible to shield all CIA activity from outside scrutiny, the location of the "black sites" and the identities of those held there are made known only to a handful of senior officials in the US. In the host countries, only the president and top intelligence officials are aware of them.

Details of the secret prisons and the methods used in them have emerged mainly from CIA officers themselves, who said the public needed to know "the direction their agency has chosen". They broke ranks amid a furore in Washington over an amendment to the White House military spending package going through Congress. Senator John McCain (Republican), a former US navy pilot who was captured and tortured in Vietnam, wants an unequivocal ban on all "cruel and inhuman" treatment of prisoners in US custody, including those held by the CIA.

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At least one death has been reported elsewhere, however. In a CIA facility in Kabul known as the "Salt Pit", an officer, described as young and inexperienced, used the "cold treatment" on a detainee, who was left outdoors, naked, throughout a freezing Afghan night. He died of hypothermia. The case is being investigated, along with several others in Afghanistan and Iraq where interrogators - CIA officers, civilian contractors or members of the special forces - went well beyond the guidelines and suspects died as a result.

Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson, chief of staff to Colin Powell when he was US Secretary of State, said last week that he knew of more than 70 "questionable deaths" of detainees under US supervision up to the end of 2002, when he left office. That figure, he added, was now around 90.


by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 12:08:06 AM EST
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In addition to speculation about what Rice will tell european leaders, the BBC reporton Monday includes:


On Sunday, President Bush's national security adviser Stephen Hadley told US networks that Ms Rice would address the issue "in a comprehensive way".

"We comply with US law, we respect the sovereignty of the countries with which we deal, and we do not move people around the world so that they can be tortured," Mr Hadley told Fox News Sunday.

And in an interview with CNN, he said that providing information about certain operations "would help the enemy... it would put countries who are co-operating with us at risk"

Note that these are not denials. Rather it is evidence that the US is intepreting international law and ordinary definitions to its own ends.

The issue of severeignty is interesting. Some countries' law effectively excludes planes simply refuelling in airports while transitting as still being in international territory. Perhaps those with a better knowledge of the laws in the relevant countries (including Scotland which has its own laws) can clarify. Agencies like customs or immigration only tends to be involved once someone tries to leave "airside". In many cases at ost only a manifest would have to be lodged and this would list something like " 4 passengers - Mr W,X, Y, and Z.

We then get to the qusetion whether the alleged prisons would violate national sovereignty. Since we know many countries are forced to accept that US military personnel are exept from local law and that US jurisdiction applies to them and their bases, it depends what you mean by sovereignty. US bases, embassies and some US facilities in large compounds are regarded as US territory. That's why women about to give birth are (and I know this from a friend's experience) urged to have their babies in a hospital within these sites. If they do so they satisfy the "native born" provision for standing for the US presidency. Bush would therefore argue that the prisons within US bases are not on the territory of the country that hosts them. I believe just such an argument was given to avoid Cuban criticism of Gitmo Bay. On the other hand, when they are challenged about this in US courts, they claim the US Supreme Court has no competence because it is not on US territory. It's these sorts of legal niceties that the weasel words of Rice will exploit.

 As for not moving them around to be tortured - again it depends what you mean by torture. We know the CIA has been authorised to use "waterboarding" which has been described as torture by the Pentagon in the context of the treatment of US prisoners. For the CIA is is merely an extreme measure short of torture. By the way, other methods described in the CIA document were also described as torture by the European Court of Human Rights when they were referred to it in the context of British treatment of prisoners in Northern Ireland.

Of course the US could be trying the Blair technique to enable the UK to extradite to countries known to torture. Effectively they write to the country concerned and ask "you won't torture these prisoners if we send them to you, will you" to which the country writes back "of course not". Voila! You are not extraditing them to be tortured.

I also find the concept that telling the truth would "help the enemy" interesting apart from it being a tacit admission that the US is lying to its allies and friends. Are they suggesting that by telling say the UK that the flights stopping at Prestwick have renditees on them would "help the enemy" How? Because even Blair would be forced by the knowledge to rescue the prisoners? Or that the governments of these countries are so unreliable that they would publish the information? Or perhaps the real truth is that the Bush Administration considers the Europeans the enemy?

Be ready to carefully deconstruct anything Rice says in public - and anything the US cronies like Blair or Berlusconni (and Merkle?) might have to say in answer to questions in press conferences.

by Londonbear on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 01:05:45 AM EST
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I also find the concept that telling the truth would "help the enemy" interesting apart from it being a tacit admission that the US is lying to its allies and friends. Are they suggesting that by telling say the UK that the flights stopping at Prestwick have renditees on them would "help the enemy" How? Because even Blair would be forced by the knowledge to rescue the prisoners? Or that the governments of these countries are so unreliable that they would publish the information? Or perhaps the real truth is that the Bush Administration considers the Europeans the enemy?
Bush said you are either with us or against us. Well, it is no longer unreasonable to be against them.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 03:35:53 AM EST
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In a CIA facility in Kabul known as the "Salt Pit", an officer, described as young and inexperienced, used the "cold treatment" on a detainee, who was left outdoors, naked, throughout a freezing Afghan night. He died of hypothermia.
If we had had experienced torturers in charge, everything would be alright.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 03:37:12 AM EST
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Well, here's an opening for you to "improve" things...

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 05:06:09 AM EST
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Migeru this would be a great opportunity, in the end the only skill you would need to know is how to blow a whistle! :-)
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 06:45:12 AM EST
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CIA agents have broken ranks to reveal the 'cruel and inhuman' interrogation techniques they are ordered to use at secret prisons around the world, including freezing and near-drowning.
Forget about the European governments. The real war is between the staff of the CIA directorate of intelligence (as opposed to the directorate of operations --- now called the "National Clandestine Service" --- choke, choke) and the rest of the US administration.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 03:41:06 AM EST
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Independent: CIA 'covert flights' mar Rice's German visit

German government officials were yesterday at pains to stress that the flight list gave no indication of what the suspected CIA aircraft were carrying. Wolfgang Bosbach, a senior conservative in Mrs Merkel's government said: "I assume that the German authorities were not informed about these alleged CIA prisoner flights. If they did know about them, this would amount to a massive infringement of the European Convention on Human Rights," he added.

However, the German section of Amnesty International insisted that the German authorities were aware of what the flights were being used for. "We have reported on these CIA kidnappings for some time, those responsible must have known about these flights," said Barbara Lochbihler, from Amnesty.

Ms Rice is scheduled to meet with Mrs Merkel and Franz-Walter Steinmeier, her foreign minister during her visit. All three politicians will be under pressure to answers the allegations.

Ms Rice has said that she will provide an answer to an EU letter of complaint on the issue complied by Jack Straw, the British Foreign Secretary. However, reports ahead of her visit suggested that she was in no mood to dwell on the issue.

One official involved in drafting her response in Washington was quoted in the Washington Post as saying: "The key point will be 'We're all in this together and you need to look at yourselves as much as us'. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones."

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 12:12:28 AM EST
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"The key point will be 'We're all in this together and you need to look at yourselves as much as us'. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones."

I do, indeed, hope there is some self-reflection going on across intelligence agencies, defense ministries, and political party houses all across Europe. I hope that they are asking themselves how they have come to a point that the very core of what our societies are built on is being thrown away. I hope that they are asking what is the very reason for creating limited constitutional democratic government? I hope they are asking what was the American Revolution, the French Revolution, WWI, WWII, and the Cold War all about? Weren't they about citizens protecting themselves from the all powerful state?

I want them to be asking themselves these questions.

As for the second part...if that is true, then it means that there has been even more complicity than has been acknowledged.

by gradinski chai on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 01:30:16 AM EST
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'We're all in this together and you need to look at yourselves as much as us'. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

This is an argument that is suited for a mob, not for diplomacy. It sounds more like it is about keeping "the gang" together.

Any such attempts to silence European protest must be declined. But, on the other hand: Any European leader who knew more about CIA torture/deportation than he admits now, has to be held accounted for as well. Only a good share of public pressure will provide for that.

by Saturday (geckes(at)gmx.net) on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 02:19:12 AM EST
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Guardian: UK 'breaking law' over CIA secret flights

The British government is guilty of breaking international law if it allowed secret CIA "rendition" flights of terror suspects to land at UK airports, according to a report by American legal scholars.

Merely giving permission for the flights to refuel while en route to the Middle East to collect a prisoner would constitute a breach of the law, according to the opinion commissioned by an all-party group of MPs, which meets in parliament for the first time today.

The report comes as the US secretary of state, Condoleezza Rice, arrives in Europe for a trip that has been overshadowed by the growing dispute about the CIA's use of rendition - the term used to describe the abduction of suspects who are taken to countries where they can be questioned outside the protection of US law.

Several European governments, as well as the EU, have launched investigations into hundreds of CIA flights which have shuttled through the continent. Fresh revelations in Germany at the weekend show that CIA aircraft have landed in the country on 437 occasions. The Washington Post also reported that dozens of prisoners had been wrongly taken under rendition, with some kidnapped in their home countries and held incommunicado for weeks.

Ms Rice has promised to clarify the issue. Yesterday, however, US officials made it clear she was likely to respond robustly to any questioning from European leaders.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 12:24:10 AM EST
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This is only a small cross-section of what is written on this topic, and this is only the English articles. Looks like the topic will not go away so fast - hopefully.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 12:27:50 AM EST
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Yes, let's indeed hope that this begins a process of thinking about who we are and what we stand for.

Fran, thanks for the post about the Bulgarian gold the other day. Yes, a big archaelogical find.

by gradinski chai on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 01:33:59 AM EST
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Guardian/Tisdall: Home truths for European allies

All this suggests European governments may not push Ms Rice too hard for fear of embarrassing themselves as well as her. Germany, in particular, has another possible motive for playing down the affair. Its new chancellor, Angela Merkel, who will meet Ms Rice tomorrow, wants better relations with Washington, not another damaging row.

All the same, the escalating rendition controversy has reawakened Europe's worst nightmares about the Bush administration's perceived disdain for international law, its apparent willingness to flout human rights norms and the tendency of its policies to ensnare and compromise its allies. It can only deepen European public hostility and place further strains on transatlantic ties.

And even if Ms Rice's tactics work and governments conspire to build a wall of silence, national parliaments, the UN, the European commission, the Council of Europe, human rights groups and American and European media have all launched inquiries and will continue to demand answers. If nothing else is certain, it seems this particular CIA operation has been blown for good.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 12:37:17 AM EST
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Times Online: Rice faces growing anger over claims of CIA abductions

Legal advice sought by an all-party parliamentary group, which meets for the first time today, concluded that the British Government would be guilty of breaking international law if it allowed secret flights to use UK airports, it was reported last night. Academics from New York University said: "A state which aids or assists another state in the commission of an internationally wrongful act by the latter is internationally responsible for doing so."

The British Government has insisted that there is nothing wrong with the CIA flying planes through British airspace, and admits that it does not know or ask whether there are any prisoners on the flights.

According to The Washington Post, the US Government has pressed Berlin not to complain about the CIA's wrongful alleged kidnapping and imprisonment of Khaled Masri, a German who says he was abducted in Macedonia and tortured at a US base in Afghanistan.

Despite the controversy, the US State Department believes that there is little appetite among European governments to take on the US over its tactics in the war on terror.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 01:08:06 AM EST
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Despite the controversy, the US State Department believes that there is little appetite among European governments to take on the US over its tactics in the war on terror.
They are, unfortunately, right about this. We need to make this the political issue of the continent. What good is an EU with a "constitution" if the governments engage in these kinds of shenanigans and the EU has no power to do anything about it? ("National Security" of a member state trumps all, apparently)

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 03:23:24 AM EST
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Hence, we have to find a way to keep the fire burning under their feet - not let them get away with it!
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 03:31:18 AM EST
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Le Figaro: CIA aircraft stopped over in France

French airports, too, have received "Guantanamo Express" flights. The first identified flight dates back to 31 March 2002. The flight plan shows that Learjet N221SG took off at 1336 hours from Keflavik, Iceland, bound for Brest-Guipavas, from where it apparently set off again for Turkey. Its point of departure was St John's, Newfoundland.

Canadian security authorities are also investigating this Learjet's comings and goings. This stopover on the coast of Brittany was probably necessitated by the limited range of this twin-engine 6/8 seater, which cannot fly between Guantanamo and Turkey non-stop. The Guipavas airport authorities have found a record of this flight; they told Le Figaro that, according to information given by the crew, they were the only ones on board that day. After Brest, the aircraft set off for Rome for another stopover.

Another flight by an aircraft known to have been used by the CIA occurred 20 July 2005: Gulfstream III, with the serial number N50BH, landed at Paris Le Bourget airport at 1922 hours, from Oslo Gardemoein, according to the Norwegian daily, Ny Tid. At the Paris airport, US government aircraft are generally received by Aeroservices, which is located near the Air and Space Museum, but it is likely that this jet was received by a service company based in a more discreet area.

The aircraft also landed 10 times in Canada and six times in Guantanamo. It is a twin-engine jet capable of crossing the Atlantic without stopovers and it belongs to a New York firm. It entrusts its management to RSVPair, which leases it for 4,550 dollars an hour.

Overflights and even stopovers by so-called "CIA" aircraft can take place without the knowledge of France's official services. A private aircraft arriving from outside the Schengen space can pass freely, as long as it produces a flight plan. The flight plan, a technical document addressed primarily to air traffic control but also communicated to the border police and customs authorities, shows the registration number of the aircraft, its speed, altitude, itinerary and range. It shows only the number of passengers. The identity and passport numbers of the passengers are recorded on the "passport manifest", a list filled out when the flight is outside the Schengen space. It is likely that several CIA flights passed anonymously through France, and other European countries, and that almost 20 different aircraft were used.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 02:10:54 AM EST
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BBC: CIA jail claim dogs Rice's Europe tour

'Impossible position'

Allegations have potential to damage Europe as well as America

While the US will continue to face questions about whether secret prisons exist, European governments will also be pressed on how much they knew.

The US assertion that it respects the sovereignty of other nations suggests that it would have informed their allies of their activities - at least to some extent.

Tom Malinowski, Washington-based Advocacy Director of Human Rights Watch, says Ms Rice is in an impossible position.

Mr Malinowski says she cannot confirm the allegations because they are true, and she cannot deny them because that would put European allies in an extremely difficult position.

He also questions the wisdom of the European Commission to threaten sanctions against any country that may have housed secret prisons.

In his view, the EU should be doing the opposite - encouraging members states to come clean.

'The biggest loser'

But it is the US and its image that will suffer the most.

US reassurances that it does not allow the torture of prisoners will count for little if no-one can see what is really going on.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 02:27:56 AM EST
[ Parent ]
This make no sense
Mr Malinowski says she cannot confirm the allegations because they are true, and she cannot deny them because that would put European allies in an extremely difficult position.
I would say she cannot deny the allegations because they are true, and cannot confirm them because that would put the allies in a difficult position.

That said, what is nothing short of amazing is that confirming the allegations would not put her or the Bush administration in a difficult position, but the Europeans. This means HRW does not think any serious domestic political consequences for the Bush administration will come from this. And that is amazing.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 03:17:40 AM EST
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Migeru, I had the same initial reaction as you did, but it does make sense.


Mr Malinowski says she cannot confirm the allegations because they are true, and she cannot deny them because that would put European allies in an extremely difficult position.

She cannot confirm them, because they are illegal, and she would thus be guilty of a crime if she admitted to (knowing about) it.

She cannot deny it because it would prove to us Europeans that the Americans can lie to our representatives without fear of consequences.

This is really what this is about. Legal fall out in the US, and political fall out in Europe.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 04:12:50 AM EST
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Independent: Mandelson attacks 'over the top' Brown over EU farm reforms

Peter Mandelson has launched an extraordinary attack on Gordon Brown, accusing the Chancellor of "going over the top" in his demands for reform of European farm subsidies.

The European trade commissioner, who is representing the EU in world trade talks, said Mr Brown was "missing the point" in pressing for cuts to the Common Agricultural Policy (CAP) in order to clinch a deal that would open up international markets to poorer countries. His attack came on the eve of Mr Brown's pre-Budget report.

"I think he's going somewhat over the top in asking for that," Mr Mandelson told ITV1's Jonathan Dimbleby programme. "Obviously, as ever with Gordon, there is a kernel of truth in what he asks for. In essence he's right - the CAP needs reform - but he needs to say it in a better proportion than he seemed to be suggesting yesterday."

Mr Mandelson said removing trade barriers could harm the people the Government is trying to help. "The Chancellor needs to ask himself who he thinks he's going to benefit," he said.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 12:15:56 AM EST
Reuters: EU will not move further on agriculture at WTO

LONDON, Dec 4 (Reuters) - The European Union will make no further concessions on lowering agricultural tariff barriers in world trade talks without significant offers from other countries, EU Trade Commissioner Peter Mandelson said on Sunday.

Mandelson also accused British finance minister Gordon Brown of "going over the top" in his call this weekend for a more far-reaching reform of Europe's Common Agricultural Policy (CAP) to help broker a breakthrough in World Trade Organisation talks.

Ministers from 148 countries meet at a Hong Kong WTO conference this month but splits, particularly over agriculture, have dashed hopes of a deal on reforming world trade.

Asked if the EU's offer on cutting tariffs on farm goods was a bottom line, Mandelson said: "Something would have to change in this round and other people would have to put some serious offers on the table in other sectors of the negotiations for us to move even further than we are proposing on agriculture."

"There won't be a final deal in Hong Kong nor will there be the two-thirds of a deal that we originally wanted in Hong Kong," he told ITV's Jonathan Dimbleby programme.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 12:43:24 AM EST
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Who would have thought it - Mandy defending a less neolib line than Brown...

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 04:39:51 AM EST
[ Parent ]
This is like Thomas Beckett. When the King appoints his friend to head the "enemy" camp there is a slight chance that the friend will take his new job title seriously.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 05:20:44 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I'm just imagining it - some Bliar hacks go to Brussels and slaughter Mandy in the Justus Lipsius Building... then Bliar goes to Brussels and flagellates himself...

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 05:32:34 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Mandelson actually has to deal with reality on this file. Brown doesn't.

It's easy to say the entire system of aids and tariffs should just be dismantled, when the questions involved are complex and reform calls for carefully-considered measures over a reasonable length of time. Not only because simple abolition of the CAP would cause disruption in a number of EU countries, but because it would not be so very favourable to the poorer developing countries, as Mandelson points out. Simple, brutal suppression of agri-tariffs will only be to the advantage of agri-exporters like Brazil.

In fact, Brown's outburst is a bit of a kick in the shins for Mandelson. What chums these fellows all are!

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 05:28:49 AM EST
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Financial Times: Blair faces bumpy ride over talks on EU rebate

Tony Blair will face uncomfortable headlines over the next two weeks as he seeks to negotiate away part of the UK's £3.2bn rebate on its European Union budget contributions.

But the prime minister believes his proposal that Britain must pay its fair share of the costs of EU enlargement will also be a test for David Cameron if, as expected, he becomes Conservative leader.

In particular, it will reveal whether Mr Cameron is prepared to signal a real change in Tory policy on Europe.

Mr Blair's government will today formally spell out its plans to make a concession on the UK's budget rebate: one which will mean that the UK's net contribution to the EU budget will rise from an initially projected €50bn (£38bn) over the period 2007-13, to €59bn.

The increase of about €9bn in the UK's net contribution over the period comes about because it has agreed that EU transfers of development money to eastern Europe can be stripped out of the way the UK budget rebate is calculated.

Mr Blair believes that Britain's gesture is the correct one, given that EU enlargement is of significant political and economic benefit to the UK.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 12:20:01 AM EST
the UK's net contribution to the EU budget will rise from an initially projected €50bn (£38bn) over the period 2007-13, to €59bn.

It's hard to know what this means. The budgetary period 2007-13 is seven years, so €50bn/7 = an average of about €7.3bn per annum.

If the FT is saying this is the net contribution, then it's after the rebate has been deducted. And, since the rebate is equal to 2/3 of the theoretical net contribution (what the UK would pay if there were no rebate), the rebate should be equal to 2(final net contribution). That would mean €7.3bn x 2 = €14.6bn annual rebate. That just can't be right, since the projected rebate is said to be closer to the 7.3 number than the 14.6.

If otoh the FT means the €50bn to be the theoretical contribution before rebate deduction (if no one's following I can always stop), then the rebate would be two-thirds of that ie about €2.4bn a year, which is much too low (the 2005 rebate is currently calculated at €5.1bn, for example).

Another way of looking at it (did I hear a groan?), is that the UK would pay €9bn more over the seven years, or about €1.3bn per annum. That is less than the projected rise in the rebate. In other words, the rebate would still rise, but by less.

Perhaps someone else has the key to understanding this more clearly?

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 02:51:00 AM EST
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In paragraph 3, "€2.4bn" should obviously be "€4.8bn", error which sharp-eyed readers will have rectified for themselves ;)

It's still too low compared to current and projected future rebate levels.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 03:32:53 AM EST
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This is exactly it. So many contorsions to twist the numbers not to admit the basic fact that the rebate is going to be increasing a lot and should not.

I don't even undersstand why they are doing this. The domestic public can easily be sold on a deal that keeps the rebate growing a little bit, because they won't know that it should have grown more. The other countries (i.e. the officials negotiating) won't listen to that parsing of the numbers because they know exactly what's behind the numbers.

So a claim that the UK is "giving up 9bn" makes no sense to me, politically speaking: it does not seem enough to win over the Europeans, but it's a huge chunk of money that will certainly mean "betrayal" in the right wing press.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 04:17:24 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Like the Mandelson/Brown exchange upthread about the CAP and the Hong Kong talks, one gets the feeling Westminster is out of touch (by which I mean Mandelson has his ear closer to the ground than Brown or Blair).

Blair is using bully tactics and spin (with Brown attempting to outdo him), but like so much in the UK presidency, everything is ill-prepared and badly thought-out. But then, when have Blair/Brown ever been really interested in European matters? Is it surprising they don't have their options clearly mapped out?

I'm afraid the entire UK presidency betrays the contempt in which the New Labour leadership holds the EU.

As for the media, they just give us all kinds of numbers that are fed by the pols. The EU should make a real effort to make the budget more transparent. That would oblige pols to be clearer in turn.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 04:55:26 AM EST
[ Parent ]
BBC: Losing the war on Afghan drugs

"Of course we're growing poppy this year," said the district chief. "The government, the foreigners - they promised us help if we stopped. But where is it?"

You hear similar things from many other people in Helmand province in Afghanistan - the number one opium poppy producing region in the number one opium producing country in the world.

If there's a central focus for the international and Afghan government campaign to stamp out the trade, it's here.

And here many believe drugs profits directly fund Taleban militants, for whom parts of Helmand remain a haven.

But after a small drop in Helmand's opium cultivation this year - according to UN figures - many fear a sharp increase next year.

If that happens, the British and US governments will take much of the flak. Together they have been leading international efforts to tackle the problem.

Hundreds of millions of dollars' worth of British and US taxpayers' money have been spent. But it's mostly been water off a duck's back to a business that is deeply rooted and underpins the still war-ravaged Afghan economy - especially in remote places like Helmand.


by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 12:20:54 AM EST
... when you act ideologically and not pragmatically. Replacing the poppy by hemp agriculture is already often proposed, but never adopted by the governments, since hemp is seen as Just As Bad, as it can also be used to make marijuana. Oooh. A Softdrug. Very bad Bad.
by Nomad on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 11:37:03 AM EST
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Independent: Liberal parties face crucial test against Putin in Moscow elections

Russia's enfeebled pro-Western democrats subjected themselves to a make-or-break test yesterday, taking on the might of President Vladimir Putin's party in local Moscow elections.

The elections, which will see 35 candidates chosen to fill the capital's city Duma (parliament), are seen as a dress rehearsal for national parliamentary elections in 2007 and, indeed, presidential elections in 2008.

Yabloko, Russia's oldest democratic party, joined forces with another opposition party called the Union of Right Forces or SPS in an attempt to make an impact and try to put the liberal opposition on the political map.

Ranged against them, however, is the mighty United Russia, Mr Putin's party that controls the national parliament. United Russia is expected to win a majority easily and, ahead of the vote, the capital was festooned with their banners.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 12:46:19 AM EST
BBC: 'Kremlin' party leads Moscow poll

A pro-Kremlin party is leading the way in Moscow's city council elections, according to early results.
United Russia has won 46% of the vote, with Communists and a united liberal bloc trailing it with 17% and 11% respectively, electoral officials say.

Even before Sunday's poll, the party had been tipped to have a majority in the new 35-seat Moscow City Duma.

The vote is seen as a dress rehearsal for Russia's parliamentary poll in 2007 and presidential elections in 2008.

The vote was also closely watched to see how strong a challenge the liberal opposition could mount.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 01:42:42 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Independent: Kazakhs shun revolution for Soviet-era stability

A spate of velvet revolutions across the former USSR appear to have fizzled out as Kazakhstan's president since before the fall of its socialist state, Nursultan Nazarbayev, headed for a landslide win and a third consecutive term in office.

Mr Nazarbayev, 65, has ruled Kazakhstan, an oil-rich country the size of Western Europe, since 1989 and after yesterday's poll looks certain to rule for another seven years, good health permitting.

His fellow Soviet-era leaders have fallen from grace in displays of people power in Georgia, Ukraine and Kyrgyzstan in the past two years. However, the revolution bandwagon appears to have hit the buffers, at least for now.

Parliamentary elections in nearby Azerbaijan in November failed to gather enough momentum, or indeed support, for political change and the election in Kazakhstan was even more one-sided.

Exit polls indicated that Mr Nazarbayev was forecast to win about 90 per cent of the vote, while his nearest rival, one of four opponents, looked to be on track to get seven per cent.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 12:49:22 AM EST
China Daily: Chirac urges doubling of aid for African development

French President Jacques Chirac urged rich countries to double development aid, as African leaders warned tackling poverty was crucial to stem a growing tide of illegal immigration.

Chirac, keen to stress France was a "tireless" advocate of Africa, said at a two-day summit in Bamako that the continent was on the right track but progress was too slow.

Economic growth of five percent is "good but not enough to fight poverty", he said, as the talks with 25 African heads of state wrapped up.

"We must, roughly, double and bring to 150 billion (dollars) a year public assistance for development," he told reporters.

With crunch trade talks looming in Hong Kong, France and African countries demanded in their final communique that Africa's most pressing development issues be taken into account.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 01:04:13 AM EST
Times Online: From camel train to freight train

AS TRAIN No 13 pulls into Dostyk station, the Chinese traders leap off to tout their wares -- sunglasses, dancing dolls, Thermos flasks and foot massage machines.

More than 2,000 years ago their ancestors came to this pass on Kazakhstan's border with China -- known as the Dzungarian Gate -- to exchange goods and ideas on the ancient Silk Road.

Now work has begun on a high-speed rail link passing through the town that is expected to rejuvenate the ancient trade route between East and West.

The 2,500-mile (4,000km) rail link to the western borders of Kazakhstan will become the fastest land route between Asia and Europe.

When completed in 2010, the $5 billion (£3 billion) project will take freight, and eventually passengers, from China, via Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, Iran and Turkey, to Europe in just ten days, its proponents say.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 01:27:58 AM EST
This article is about something very significant for trade flows in the world economy, even if messing up details.

The link won't be high-speed - just a normal speed freight route. What's special is that while Kazakhstan railways have Russian wide gauge, which for now necessitates time, money and work-hour consuming bogie change or reloading, the new line will be normal gauge.

With this line, trains will be able to run directly between Europe and China - and that will greatly accceletate traffic.

(BTW, today there is another gap on the future line: while both Turkey and Iran have normal gauge, there is no line around a big dammed reservoir in Turkey - but before the Kazakh line is finished, that is about to be built, too. Now if only Bush wouldn't bomb Iran in the meantime...)

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 05:03:04 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Russian wide gauge, which for now necessitates time, money and work-hour consuming bogie change or reloading
Or Spanish automatic gauge-change technology.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 05:22:11 AM EST
[ Parent ]
The Spanish may want to try to sell it, especially to Russia; tough note: what works fine on a passenger trainset is presently too complicated and expensive for freight cars. (Nevertheless, Polish railway engineers have also been experimenting...)

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 05:28:33 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I forgot: at present there is another gap, the Bosphorus Strait, but a rail tunnel underneath has begun construction recently.

Once all links are finished (and electrification in Bulgaria and Romania too), my own Hungarian Railways will hopefully benefit from the Chinese freight transit...

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 05:38:03 AM EST
[ Parent ]
BBC: Airbus and China strengthen ties

The Chinese government and Airbus have signed a co-operation agreement which could see the European aircraft maker assembling some planes in China.

The pact came as Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao toured an Airbus assembly plant at the firm's headquarters in Toulouse.

Mr Wen is expected to sign orders for 70 Airbus aircraft worth $5bn (£2.8bn) during his official visit to France.

The deal could eventually lead to Airbus assembling some of its smaller A320 single-aisle jets in China.

The company said it would carry out a feasibility study to establish whether it should build an alternative assembly point for A320 planes in China.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 01:44:43 AM EST
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 01:52:30 AM EST
Copying HiD, maybe I should start a countdown to $60 oil diary...

($60 at year's end was my bet to Jérôme, I still expect it to fall back to around $60 after a now starting December rally.)

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 04:56:35 AM EST
[ Parent ]
IsraelNationalNews: Condi's Classroom

US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice came to Jerusalem in order to move these negotiations forward, and the newspapers reported that she brutally forced Israel to accept the terms of this agreement. It seems that the staff at the hotel where the negotiations took place heard Condoleezza Rice screaming at Israel's defense minister, Sha'ul Mofaz. On a past visit, the Secretary of State had also vented her anger on Mofaz. The media have devoted attention to two main facts: a confrontation took place; and Israel's sovereignty and its ability to defend itself had been compromised.

Although the United States has always exercised pressure on Israel, this month's drama reflected unusual brutality and forcefulness. What happened was shocking and unforeseen. No state would have knowingly placed itself in the situation Israel faced two weeks ago. While we will have to wait for further details, we can learn something by reviewing the long-term lines of American-Israeli bilateral relations as understood by the Sharon government. One should not generalize on the basis of a single event. Nevertheless, it is of such importance that we must try to understand it.

This brutal confrontation took place despite the fact that one of the priorities of Israeli foreign policy has been to build cordial relations with the American administration, and that, specifically with the departure of Yasser Arafat as a negotiating partner, the Americans would accept a certain Israeli unilateral approach regarding the establishment of its borders and keeping settlement blocs. On several occasions, the Americans have denied the existence of this type of understanding, but the Sharon government has maintained that indeed there is a special American appreciation for Israel's needs. It followed that the Sharon government hoped that this summer's disengagement from Gaza would earn special consideration for Israel, particularly in view of the fact that the Palestinian Authority has not shown any positive cooperation in fighting terror and ending incitement.

Talking about torture, wonder if Rice is going to give the same treatment to her European colleges and to Merkel.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 02:20:23 AM EST
Uh, oh, when the neocons get brutal with the Israelis you know something is very wrong...

Maybe this is connected with Sharon's decision to leave Likud and found a new centrist party.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 05:25:30 AM EST
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Frankfurter Rundschau: Next on Bush's Menu: Iranian Crow

It is clear that George W. Bush is terribly concerned about the 2006 mid-term elections, and for this reason wants out of Iraq in the worst possible way. But according to Germany's Frankfurter Rundschau, to achieve the kind of stability that would permit an honorable exit, Bush will have to do the unthinkable: Talk to the Iranians.

George W. Bush, Commander-in-Chief and President of the United States, did not announce a peace plan for Iraq on Wednesday. Rather, he opened the campaign for the mid-term elections in November of next year. Such elections are so inconvenient. The disaster in Iraq, for which the neo-conservatives are responsible, could decide the people's voting behavior. Bush wants to prevent that.

Nothing else is of interest to him, not the catastrophic situation of the Iraqi people, not the destruction of the beginnings of a post-totalitarian civil society, not the conduct of torture and not the use of weapons that are internationally condemned and the use of which could be a war crime. But since, in view of these facts, his prestige is rapidly deteriorating, he wants out of the mess he has made for himself.

With all due respect, the content of his speech before the Naval Academy, as far as ideas and what needs to be done are concerned, had very little to do with reality [See video below photo, right]. Plans to rely on Iraqi troops are currently unrealistic and will remain so for a long time to come. Militias from mutually hostile political/ethnic/religious parties, whose primary goal is to destroy their political rivals, are being inducted into these units. This is an insurmountable barrier to the sought-after creation of accepted, democratic and pluralistic institutions in Iraq. And this will also cause the third pillar of the "National Strategy for Victory in Iraq," economic recovery, to fail [READ IT].

...
As Israeli military historian Martin van Crefeld put it, the United States has conducted "the dumbest war since Augustus Caesar in the year 9 AD." And not only that, its policies since the announced end of the war deserve a similar description.

[Editor's Note: In the year 9AD, the loss of three Roman legions in the disastrous battle of the Teutoburg Forest ended Rome's attempt to conquer Germany, and reconciled Cesar Augustus to more modest frontiers. It was a battle that largely ended the growth of the Roman empire. Augustus, upon hearing of this shocking defeat of the hitherto-victorious Roman armies by so-called barbarian Germans, is said to have uttered the famous and plaintive appeal, "Quinctili Vare, redde legiones!" ("Quinctilius Varus, give me back my legions!")].

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 02:39:27 AM EST
In the year 9AD, the loss of three Roman legions in the disastrous battle of the Teutoburg Forest ended Rome's attempt to conquer Germany, and reconciled Cesar Augustus to more modest frontiers. It was a battle that largely ended the growth of the Roman empire.

Nitpick: nope, Rome's attempts to conquer Germany continued for about half a century - Augustus himself sent Germanicus on punitive campaigns after the defeat, one campaign reached the battleground with the Roman legion's remains. But all of these campaigns only achieved a lot of dead Germans, but no conquest. Also, the expansion of the Empire didn't yet end for a century: Dacia, most of Britain, and parts of the Middle East.

(I only know this because I once set out to compile a history of peace in Europe - since traditional history is largely one of wars, what I did was to look for wars for all the years and then identify the gaps. I may post about the results sometime; but I will say that the EU's 60-year peace in Western Europe is pretty much unprecedented even in Roman times.)

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 04:51:02 AM EST
[ Parent ]
once I get around to it." unknown (nor surprisingly)]

I once told a gentleman, "I have a PhD in Procrastination."

Without a second of thought, he said, "I teach it."

To which, I had no reply, NDD

A viable strategy for fighting fascism

by NorthDakotaDemocrat (NorthDakotaDemocrat at yahoo dot com) on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 04:25:16 AM EST
I guess this is one of the few things most of us can pretend to have at least achieved Master level. :-)
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 04:38:58 AM EST
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I'll post you a reply to this, Fran.

Will tomorrow be OK..?

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When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 05:00:25 AM EST
[ Parent ]
what you can safely postpone until later" is a VERY effective way to manage your time and have a pleasant life.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 05:01:03 AM EST
[ Parent ]
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Saddam defense team walks out

BAGHDAD (CNNi) Dec. 5 -- As defense lawyers walked out of the court today, the half-brother of Saddam Barazan Ibrahim, also a defendant at the trial acclaimed: "Why don't you just execute us to get this over with". These words were reported by a CNNi reporter inside the courtroom and censored from being broadcast by U.S. vetters of the trial in a 20-30 minute delayed "LIVE" broadcast.


Saddam Hussein's defense team walk out of court after a heated exchange over the legitimacy of the tribunal. Former U.S. Attorney General Ramsey Clark and two other attorneys for Hussein walked out after Chief Judge Rizgar Mohammed Amin refused to hear their complaints. At one point Hussein stood up, shook his fist and shouted, "Long live Iraq."  

"Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason?
For if it prosper, none dare call it treason."

▼ ▼ ▼ MY DIARY

by Oui on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 05:31:38 AM EST
In the US they use a 20-30 second delayed loop to filter out obscenity... In the rest of the world they use a 20-30 minute delayed loop because it takes a little longer to recognize politically inconvenient material.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 05:38:11 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Which is why Kanye West was able to get his anti-Bush tirade through during the Katrina telethon: not his co-host, not the cameraman, not the guy behind the delay loop were able to figure out what was going on inside of 30 seconds, because there was no profanity involved. Maybe they'll increase the delay loops to a couple of minutes from now on.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 05:49:26 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Guardian:Brown forced to backtrack on forecast for economic growth

Gordon Brown will have to admit to MPs today that the economic forecasts he made just nine months ago were hopelessly optimistic when he delivers the ninth pre-budget report of his chancellorship.

Mr Brown, who has built his reputation on the prudent stewardship of the economy, is likely to say the economy will grow at around 2% or less this year, its slowest pace in more than a decade and only two-thirds the 3-3.5% range he forecast in the March budget.

 The Tories and Lib Dems are planning to launch a fresh attack on Mr Brown's record at the helm of the world's fourth largest economy, arguing that his rapid increase in public spending has left the public finances in disarray and caused the economy to slide down the international league table of competitiveness.

Mr Brown will blame the housing market slowdown, surging oil prices and sluggishness in the euro zone - the destination for half of Britain's exports - as the unavoidable reason why the British economy has slowed this year.



Money is a sign of Poverty - Culture Saying
by RogueTrooper on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 06:51:23 AM EST
The Observer:Trouble at till

On the face of it the story was hardly compelling. In fact most people would glaze over at the mention of a telecom takeover in Denmark. But last Thursday, Europe's largest-ever private equity takeover set alarm bells ringing in the boardrooms of Britain's leading retail companies.

UK-based Apax Partners and Permira teamed up with American counterparts Blackstone Group, Kohlberg Kravis Roberts and Providence Equity Partners in a deal worth £8.9 billion to buy telecoms operator TDC.

There is hardly anything new about venture capital firms forming consortia to buy companies. But the sheer recordbreaking scale of this private equity deal proves major venture capital is setting its sights on Europe with a vengeance. And what's more, money is no object.

For retailers busy gearing up for what many of them predict will be the worst Christmas for 20 years, the takeover didn't pass unnoticed. In fact they saw it as the shape of things to come.

One director of a leading retailer said: 'Venture capital is awash with money and they're going for big targets. Do not be surprised that in the first half of next year, you will see some very big deals.'



Money is a sign of Poverty - Culture Saying
by RogueTrooper on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 06:55:31 AM EST
BBC: 'Gay weddings' become law in UK

Hundreds of gay couples are preparing to form civil partnerships in the coming weeks as the law changes after decades of campaigning.

At least 1,200 ceremonies are confirmed as being scheduled already, according to figures from councils compiled by the BBC News website.

Registrars are preparing for the first ceremonies, with couples permitted to register from Monday morning.

Campaigners says the law ends inequalities for same-sex couples.

The first ceremonies under the Civil Partnerships Act can take place in Northern Ireland on 19 December, followed by Scotland the next day and England and Wales on 21 December.

Under the law, couples who want to form a partnership must register their intentions with local councils. Unlike marriages, the signing of the legal partnership papers does not need to happen in public.




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by RogueTrooper on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 07:05:26 AM EST
Maybe this'll shut up the conservatives in Canada when they see that it's accepted now in the UK as well.

"now this is not the end, it is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." W. Churchill
by Thor Heyerdahl (thor.heyerdahl@NOSPAMgmail.com) on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 08:44:27 AM EST
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