London Bombing: Part 3

by soj
Mon Jul 18th, 2005 at 04:02:57 AM EST

Well I'm strapping on my "hat" because the London bombing investigation keeps getting weirder. I was reading the BBC's webpage on the investigation when I noticed something odd:


Police sources have told the BBC they had not recovered any timing devices from the bomb scenes, possibly indicating that detonation was by hand
This is the most significant paragraph in the entire story. If the bombs had no timers, then it was the work of suicide bombers. It would be (almost) impossible for someone to remote detonate a bomb deep underground in the subway system of London, where mobile/cell phone reception does not exist.

On the other hand, if there were timers, then it may indicate these men had no intention of being suicide bombers at all. And that raises the question of what the bombers knew. Did they know they were carrying bombs but thought they would get away safely? Or did they have no clue what was in their backpacks and were completely tricked by someone else?

As I explained in Part 2 of my investigation, there seems to be a lot of evidence that these men were neither fanatical nor suicidal. Not only was Siddique Khan married with a young child (and his wife was pregnant), but Lindsey Germaine (also known as Lindsey Jamal) was also married and had a pregnant wife. That wife, I might mention, is a white British woman and believes her husband is innocent.

Siddique Khan not only worked with developmentally disabled children for years, but he was also described as a mentor to many youth:
Few men were more popular on the streets of Beeston than the 30-year-old family man. Recognised by his sensible sweaters and neat, coiffeured hairstyle, Khan's respectability peaked nine months ago when he visited Parliament as the guest of a local MP. There he was praised for his teaching work. Even now, those who hang about Cross Flatt's Park describe him as their mentor. He remains the man who coaxed them back into the education system; the bloke who took them on canoeing and camping trips to the nearby Yorkshire Dales; the man who bought them 'loads of extra bullets' when he took them paint-balling. Hussain and Tanweer were among those who idolised Khan from his days as a youth worker in Beeston when he had nurtured their love of cricket and football.
So he was a mentor, a teacher of mentally challenged children, a guest of a local MP (Jon Trickett, whose wife was the head of the school where Khan taught for 3.5 years) but he's out there encouraging kids to stay in school and mentoring them. Surely he had to have known that a bomb on a crowded subway might've killed children and would definitely have killed the parents of innocent children.

The family of Hasib Hussain, age 18, says they had no idea their son was involved in anything fanatical:
"We are devastated over the events of the past few days. Hasib was a loving and normal young man who gave us no concern and we are having difficulty taking this in.

"Our thoughts are with all the bereaved families. We have to live with the loss of our son in these difficult circumstances.

"We had no knowledge of his activities and, had we done, we would have done everything in our power to stop him. We urge anyone with information to cooperate fully with the authorities."
The family of Shehzad Tanweer said about the same:
His uncle, Bashir Ahmed, 65, said the family was "shattered" by the revelation that he appeared to have been involved.

"He was proud to be British," he said. "He had everything to live for. His parents were loving and supportive.

"He was a very kind and calm person. He was respected by everyone."
Then there are reports that all four men bought return tickets for the train when they got on board at Luton. Why bother buying return tickets if you're going to kill yourself? That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

Furthermore, the bombs were all inside rucksacks or backpacks, as opposed to the "martyr's belt" which is normally strapped to the bomber's body. Putting the bomb inside a rucksack/backpack indicates the person was carrying the bomb but didn't want it attached to their person so they could set it down.

So now the official story is that no timers were recovered. On July 7, 2005 I tuned my computer into listening to the BBC's Live Five radio station so I could keep abreast of what was happening. And I distinctly remember a report that "mechanical timers" had been discovered somewhere in one of the bomb sites. In fact, if my memory serves correctly, the mechanical timers were described as being similar to those used in washing (laundry) machines.

Anyone who has ever used a washing machine knows how it works - you put the clothes in and select a cycle. The washing machine uses a timing device to determine how long to let the water run, how long to agitate (swish) the clothes, etc. Most older washing machines use mechanical timers while the latest models use electronic ones. Absolutely anyone can order or buy a mechanical washing machine timer and they are mass-produced and relatively cheap.

A Google search of news stories show a lot of article that appeared within 48 hours of the blasts listing that mechanical timers had been discovered. Most of those articles seemed to have disappeared but I found a Newsday (via Arizona Republic) article from July 8:
In what appears to be the first major break in the investigation of the attacks, U.S. authorities said British police had recovered two unexploded bombs in London.

In addition, British investigators say parts of timing devices had been recovered from several of the blast sites. American sources indicated that the subway bombs were detonated by mechanical timers and that the bus blast was caused by a suicide bomber. The unexploded devices and timing mechanisms should provide important evidence that could help determine who was behind the attacks.
And the Guardian, also from July 8:
Police denied that they had recovered any unexploded devices. But a source told The Guardian that three controlled explosions had been carried out on "suspect devices".

Furthermore Vincent Cannistraro, the former head of the CIA's counter-terrorism centre, told The Guardian that "two unexploded bombs" were recovered as well as "mechanical timing devices".
So we've got stories reporting the British police found both unexploded bombs as well as mechanical timing devices and then now both items have completely disappeared from reports.

Then there is a Reuters story which says this:
Police have not yet definitively established that four men who carried bombs on to London's transport network intended to die in last week's blasts, a Scotland Yard spokesman said on Saturday.

"We've never used the phrase 'suicide bombers'. We've always been aware that among the things we need to clarify is the notion these people intended to die as well as letting off a bomb," the spokesman said.
There are oddities and inconsistencies about the explosives used and where they were manufactured too. But exactly what explosives were used and what the media reported about them is for Part 4 of this investigation.

In conclusion, two of the bombers were married men, both with young children and both with a pregnant wife. The two single men had good family lives and had lots of friends. All of them were fully "integrated" in British life and were not living an estranged or secluded life.

Hasib Hussain's family was actually prosperous and had done well financially since moving to Britain before Hussain was even born. Siddique Khan was friends with local politicians and had been lauded for his work with children in a major newspaper. Tanweer's father was a former police officer in Britain. Are these the kind of men who would set out to kill themselves in an attack on the very society in which they were integrated?

I've seen the media reports on the "fanatical" aspects of these four men but the evidence seems extremely weak. So three of them had been to Pakistan. So what? I've seen no reports whatsoever showing them doing anything wrong there and they were of Pakistani origin. It makes perfect sense that they might want to visit their homeland. Tanweer went to a religious school in Pakistan for three months but when he came back he said he didn't like it. And as I described in Part 2, there are numerous reports of Siddique Khan having "ties" to all kinds of Pakistanis in Britain arrested for terrorism but he was never arrested himself or put under surveillance.

Furthermore, descriptions of the men seen on the CCTV camera at King's Cross say they looked like "happy hikers", laughing and joking. Surely a suicide mission would've been a serious, serene event in which they were giving their lives for a "greater" cause, not a lighthearted activity.

Clearly the investigation is not finished but the door is open to exactly what really happened that day and who was involved.

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Very interesting and illuminating. It's striking how well all of us succeed in interpreting events and reports according to our world-views: what you report strikes me as very convincing evidence that there is something more than we have been told going on here, but surely those who have a different system of beliefs will see it as grasping at straws to avoid facing the "reality of Islamofascism".

I hope that accumulating evidence can produce agreement on at least "questions of fact", but even this seems unlikely.

Hannah K. O'Luthon

by Hannah K OLuthon on Mon Jul 18th, 2005 at 05:22:35 AM EST
Who coined the term "Islamofascism"? It's such a stupid term.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Jul 18th, 2005 at 05:28:04 AM EST
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I agree that's it's stupid, except perhaps as a way to further a "guilt by association" campaign. It must be a "neo-con-ism".

Hannah K. O'Luthon
by Hannah K OLuthon on Mon Jul 18th, 2005 at 07:45:29 AM EST
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but surely those who have a different system of beliefs will see it as grasping at straws to avoid facing the "reality of Islamofascism".

Not necessarily.  It could very well be likely that a Muslim fanatic designed those bombs and tricked those people into setting them off...

The issue of what happened however is extremely critical.  If the four men were suicide bombers, the police need to investigate who inspired them or encouraged them to do such an extreme act.  And what did they hope to accomplish by killing themselves?

But if they were duped, it's even more perilous.  If an Al-Qaeda or other fanatic Muslim group set these men up, it means that many other integrated and non-fanatical Muslims might be targeted in a similar way.  And this means the police would have an extremely difficult time preventing these attacks since the executors are NOT fanatics.

The most sinister implication of these men being duped into being suicide bombers is that the "controlling hand" gets away to do it again.  And the "controlling hand" was the one with the agenda...

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by soj on Mon Jul 18th, 2005 at 05:35:57 AM EST
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I think if the bombers turn out to be dupes, Al Qaeda has  hurt itself more than their declared enemy.

Who among the pool of non-suicidal sympathizers is ever going to trust them again?

BTW, are you sure there is no cell phone reception in the London Underground? Our local subway is equipped with repeaters - reception is just fine.

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by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Mon Jul 18th, 2005 at 06:42:39 AM EST
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People can use their cell/mobile phones in Bucuresti, Romania subway system as well.

I distinctly remember hearing that people couldn't use their phones underground in London and from news articles one still can't.  Not until early 2006 anyway.

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by soj on Mon Jul 18th, 2005 at 07:16:19 AM EST
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For the nth time - there is no cell-phone reception on the underground sections of the London tube system - only on the above-ground portions of some of the older lines that run well beyond the central London area.

There have been discussions going on regarding the installation of cells to enable mobile reception - one of the arguments that has been marshalled against this is the possibility of cell-phone bomb detonation!

by londanium on Mon Jul 18th, 2005 at 07:44:38 AM EST
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I was not aware of the subway cell phone situation in London. Thank you for clarifying.

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by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Mon Jul 18th, 2005 at 09:58:16 AM EST
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There are a few sections of line in central London where it is possible to get cell reception. These are

1)the few stations that are either open or very close to ground level. Edgware Road Circle/District/Hammersmith and City line station is one of them. Otheres where reception is possible include Earls Court, South Kensington, Barbican and Whitechapel.  

2) The sections of track open to the sky where the line was not rebuilt over when it was constructed. There is a long section going east from Kings Cross on the District/Circle line where this happens but there are small sections all along the north-eastern section of the Circle.

However, these isolated areas of reception are too unpredicatable to allow for the detonation of the two on the higher level lines and the "Kings Cross" bomb was in a deep tunnel where there are no signals.

by Londonbear on Mon Jul 18th, 2005 at 11:06:57 PM EST
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Disadvantageous to AQ?

Using infidels, non-believing Muslims to carry the bombs is satisfactory. Through friendship, request some help on short notice, to move some holiday backpacks from Luton Town to different persons in London. All expenses paid, you can even spend some extra days by friends or family in the city. May grace of Allah be with you till eternity.
Naive? Perhaps, that's how scams work, gain trust of individuals and use them.

The mastermind looked for a group of acquaintances, loose ties and perhaps at university level someone with knowledge of chemistry to create cover for use of TATP explosives. Leave behind some trace of acetone and peroxide in the bathtub isn't too sophisticated. These components are present in most households, not in the explosive compound, but some specimen spilled in the home is not difficult.

Even by most burglaries in The Netherlands, thieves make sure to spread some DNA material from third parties in the area to foil the investigation.

In the press conference of the London Metropolitan Police it was erroneous to put blame on Al Qaeda based on the compound TATP, as it is a household substance any terrorist could use. Besides a terrorist mastermind, a mastermind from any nationality could have used a double-cross to have patsies travel with backpacks through the London Subway, the easiest and quickest journey in the city.

London Underground (LU) is planning to install technology that will give commuters mobile phone coverage in the concourse, ticketing areas and platforms of underground Tube stations - but not on trains rumbling through underground tunnels.

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by Oui on Mon Jul 18th, 2005 at 07:53:59 AM EST
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I suspect that there's a lot to wash out in this one. Police sources are going to be reported saying all sorts of crap over the next few months. Papers have to publish something.

Why would a group of young men carry four backpacks to different parts of the public transport system if they didn't know what was in them? I can admit the possibility that they didn't intend being suicide bombers, but completely innocent patsies seems unlikely to me. It would be less awful if they weren't suicide bombers, but thought they were transporting bombs to sites where they would detonate after warnings (for instance).

If they were completely innocent, they picked up bags from someone, drove to Luton, took the train to London, spilt up and went in different directions on fairly precise timings. Why didn't they look in the bags? Why didn't the whole set-up just seem weird?

If they were, for the sake of argument, trained fanatical cultists (if they were Christian, we'd call them cultists) then why would they tell people around them their beliefs?

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Jul 18th, 2005 at 05:27:11 AM EST
Like you said Coleman, there's a lot to wash out.  The men told their families they were going to a "religious event", which I haven't been able to find any more details about that.  But like you said, why go in four different directions?

As for looking in the bags, they were quite large.  There's an enormous amount of possibilities such as perhaps the bombs were in the bottom and more innocuous material was on top.  The police reports I've seen said the bombs weighed just 10 pounds (4.5 kilos), which you don't need a large camping rucksack to carry a bomb of that size.

I was however intrigued on the reports of timers or not.  Did they find timers or didn't they?  It's fairly unlikely that an innocent passenger had a washing machine timer in his/her pocket but I guess it's possible...

And why did they leave explosive material behind in the Fiat in Luton?  The police detonated it in nine series, which seems like a lot if it was just "trace" evidence.

We'll just have to see what comes out as the investigation continues, just like you said.

Pax

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by soj on Mon Jul 18th, 2005 at 05:40:45 AM EST
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Excellent Soj - a caution I wrote in my latest diary, as well as read in publication of two diaries @dKos by theroaringgirl.

Interesting deviation is the presence of Netanyahu, Power and Guiliani in London during the G8 Summit.

Al Zarqawi has also been accused of planning attacks using Ricin in Europe including an attack on London Underground in January 2003, that 'coincided' with Bush's visit.

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Then in April of 2003 following Colin Powell's 'revelations' about al-Zarqawi at the UN, the headquarters of Ansar-al-Islam was pulverised by repeated missile attacks, under the pretext of it being a centre for the production of chemical and biological weapons. An allegation, subsequently shown to be a complete invention of the US.

In fact, the scope and range of Abu Musaab al-Zarqawi's operations is pretty impressive for one man. Involving alleged 'dirty bombs' in the US (Feb 2003), through to Ricin (also Feb 2003), all manner of horrors including radiation, germs and poison, allegedly to be used before March 31, 2003 in the US (Newsweek, 24 February 2003) that also proved to be a fabrication.

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What is the role of this new mastermind in the Pentagon's disinformation campaign, in which CNN seems to be playing a central role?

In previous propaganda ploys, the CIA hired PR firms to organize core disinformation campaigns, including the Rendon Group. The latter worked closely with its British partner Hill and Knowlton, which was responsible for the 1990 Kuwaiti incubator media scam, where Kuwaiti babies were allegedly removed from incubators in a totally fabricated news story, which was then used to get Congressional approval for the 1991 Gulf War.

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by Oui on Mon Jul 18th, 2005 at 06:06:52 AM EST
A few points:

It would be wise to consider all reports dating from 7th or 8th July regarding conclusions of a complicated, ongoing forensic investigation as suspect. Unless local investigators were incredibly lucky, and no such evidence for that exists, it is unlikely that the British forensics experts would have accumulated or identified sufficient physical evidence regarding how the bombs were either constructed or activated - bear in mind that all 4 scenes were forensically complex and difficult. The bus was in situ for 10 days whilst investigators were recovering material for the investigation; the scenes on the tube are even more complex.

Unnamed US authorities saying that the British investigation had done/recovered x is always a suspect form of words. They are far removed from the scene, and are indulging US press speculation. Cannistraro apprears to have been just plain wrong regarding the recovery of unexploded devices, so why is he being referred to? The Guardian form of words is probably misleading - suspect, but innocent, packages would be more accurate. At any rate - all these early US- sourced statements of what the British investigators have found or said, have turned out to bear no relation to what British investigators have actually said.

Bear in mind that there were large numbers of inaccurate reports on the 7th itself - most notably that there were 7 explosions, 3 buses were bombed, there was a litter-bin bomb, that police had shot a suicide bomber at Canary Wharf, that devices were found in Cardiff. This all seems to have been, er, crap.

I don't consider the lack of a bomb-belt significant regarding the suicide bomber theory - there would have been lots of reasons why they might not have gone down that route - and this would include the fact that they would have had to be wearing them for hours whilst in transit to their scenes of crime - and this would have necessitated bulky clothing for concealment, not jeans and t-shirts. In the context of a UK summer, dressing in a puffa jacket or overcoat could be bit of a giveaway. There's always a tendency to impose prior event paradigms on these kinds of spectaculars - the initial assumption that this wasn't a suicide attack was based on the example of Madrid.

This is the real issue - terrorists replicate what works, that's true; but they don't always follow the same MO. If the London bombers and Madrid bombers had no "operational" connections , then their MO's are liable to be different.

I would also suggest that whilst there are plenty of people thinking "conspiratorially" about these events, it should not be forgotten that terrorists think this way as well. The ambiguities and apparent inconsistencies are just as likely to be "design features" - and there are coherent reasons for this. Given that the attacks took place when the UK's counterterrorism resources were deployed and focussed elsewhere ( stretched ), there has to be an equal possibility that the planners, by tying up large portions of the UK's domestic and foreign security/forensic/investigative resources are intent on creating further holes that they can exploit.

by londanium on Mon Jul 18th, 2005 at 09:28:59 AM EST
The short version is I agree with you completely, that there are just as many questions as answers.

But the question of whether or not the men were suicide bombers is absolutely essential and I wrote the above article to keep the focus on that topic.

And not to strap on the hat any further, yes it's true that 1500 London officers were in Scotland at the time but the whole incident of a private company running counter-terrorism exercises at the exact same stations is very odd.

I still haven't read anywhere on whose behalf Powers' org was doing them for either. Have you?

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by soj on Mon Jul 18th, 2005 at 09:49:15 AM EST
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No, I haven't. And until the company that Powers was working for identifies itself, and other individuals who were involved in the exercise come forward to corroborate the details then there is not much else to be said.

Now, I would suggest that if Powers is telling the truth, these considerations would trump any version of commercial confidentiality that could be pulled out of the hat. It would be reasonable to assert that there was an issue with either Power's company, or his client's, personnel or computer security that needs to be thoroughly investigated by the police.

I would certainly agree that the necessity to conclusively identify whether the bombers were suicide bombers is an essential feature of the investigation. If they lack any testamentary evidence that bombers left behind, then the only way that it will be possible to make a determination of this will be the mechanics of the bombs themselves. My guess is that this will take weeks, if not months - and this will make it difficult to prioritise lines of inquiry and correctly allocate resources for the time being - ie it contributes to a resource stretch.

by londanium on Mon Jul 18th, 2005 at 10:22:25 AM EST
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Indeed... although I am reminded that investigators found part of the timing device (electronic in that case) of the bomb used to blow up Pan Am 103.  And that was a far bigger bomb, with the debris scattered much farther.

While it will take a while to wrap up the subway bombings due to the location, it seems to me like they should know already if there is physical evidence of a timer or not on the bus.

Pax

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by soj on Mon Jul 18th, 2005 at 11:08:19 AM EST
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They may well know the details of the bus bomb - there was a spot on the BBC earlier today suggesting that the casings used for the bombs were plastic food containers, and that Jermaine Lindsay had purchased large quantities (£700.00) of Hugo Boss perfume - speculatively explained as an accelerant?

However, for the sake of investigative rigour, they would still need to determine that at least 2 of the bombs were triggered in an identical fashion.

That said, there has been no official or well-sourced information regarding the bus-bomb being trigger or timer activated.

by londanium on Mon Jul 18th, 2005 at 11:48:52 AM EST
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My impression of the piece on the Hugo Boss perfume was that in addition to its possible use as an accelerant, the contanters were round metal balls that look very like the classic "bomb" shape in cartoons.

There has been a lot made of two controlled explosions that the police organised at the bus bomb site. These were very likely precautionary measures to open suspicious parcels that were found (the polic have stated this). In the early days the explosives were thought to be military or construction grade high explosives rather than the mixture we are now told it was. That required both more room and a greater weight of explosive so the possibility of the "bus bomber" carrying more than one is unlikely.

I remember hearing at least one report that a timing device had been found embedded in the remains of one of the bombers. I think that was the bus and the forensic examination is obviously going to be long - he was identified as being on the bus as his description matched that of a head found at the scene.

by Londonbear on Mon Jul 18th, 2005 at 11:18:10 PM EST
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Most if not all first reports on any such disaster like 7/7 end up being wrong.  Add that to news people-in the US going overboard with breathlessly endless  speculation etc etc and after a few days some of them start believing their own speculations and this in turn gets repeated by other news networks and pretty soon the US news thinks they have it all figured out...so there. I get more embarrassed by our so called news-cable news every day.

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by chocolate ink on Mon Jul 18th, 2005 at 11:40:34 PM EST
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I have to go back and read this again carefully but I wanted to point out that I thought it strange that the bombers had their identification with them. It sounded like they had other personal belongings as well. The suicide attackers had their passports with them but I am sure that was required since they were flying on an airplane but it is not necessary on a train. It may not mean anything but I thought it rather strange. I carry my passport with me now but that is because I'm an American in a foreign country. I never carried my passport with me when living in the states.
by Hausfrau on Mon Jul 18th, 2005 at 11:25:56 AM EST
I'm not sure that there is any implication that the bombers were carrying their passports - the identifying documents could have been bank, credit or store cards, driving licenses, student cards or a combination of these.
by londanium on Mon Jul 18th, 2005 at 11:39:12 AM EST
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No I think she was saying the 9/11 bombers had their passports, not the British ones...

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by soj on Mon Jul 18th, 2005 at 12:07:06 PM EST
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Hausfrau... I'm also an American living in a foreign country.  Unless you are doing something "official" like going to the bank or staying in a hotel, you don't need to carry around your passport.  Furthermore, it's not even a good idea to carry it around.

Do what I do - photocopy (xerox) your passport and then put the real passport somewhere super safe at home or elsewhere.  Then carry around your photocopy.  Trust me, if the police stop you the photocopy will suffice and if there is some super emergency or something, they will let you get the original document.

Losing your passport and getting it replaced is a MAJOR hassle.  Make several photocopies and stash them in different places or leave them with friends.  It'll REALLY help getting it replaced if you lose it.

Also, usually you can get some kind of local ID with the Interior Ministry.  Which country are you in?  I use a Romanian ID here for banking and staying at hotels etc and the only time I use my passport is to actually go in and out of the country.

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by soj on Mon Jul 18th, 2005 at 12:11:30 PM EST
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That is great idea making a copy for grocery shopping, etc. It is a pain getting a passport replaced. My mother-in-law came to visit (and this was before 9/11) and she lost her passport. We were fortunate in that we were able to get a replacement in one day but that is no longer the case. As it turned out, her passport was buried in one of her cases. She's in her mid-70's and keeps on forgetting things.
by Hausfrau on Mon Jul 18th, 2005 at 12:58:07 PM EST
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all facts can be spun at least two ways.

Round-trip tickets make no sense, but one-way tickets are a potentially suspicious purchase.  

As for looking in the bags, it appears the bus bomber did look in his bag and did not necessarily like what he discovered.

The suspects did not leave martydom tapes, which is common among suicide bombers, and one of the ways they are pressured into not chickening out.

Most likely scenario is that they were misled about the timing of the explosions, or were unaware of the contents of the bags.

If that is true, anyone could be responsible for setting them up.  Who benefits?  

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by Oui on Mon Jul 18th, 2005 at 07:54:09 PM EST
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Do bear in mind that this is an on going investigation and that as such the police and authorities are almost certainly releasing amongst the accurate information, some misinformation and some disinformation so as to keep any of those involved confused as to the status of the investigation.
by observer393 on Mon Jul 18th, 2005 at 11:30:20 PM EST
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Detectives reportedly found nine bombs in a car left at a train station parking lot in Luton, the hometown of Lindsay. They have also reportedly uncovered extremist literature in the Leeds homes and another residence in Aylesbury, northwest of London, and are examining computers seized from those houses.

In Luton, British Muslims see clear Iraq link to London attacks

LUTON, England July 18, 2005 (AFP) -- In a Muslim district of Luton, where the four suspected London bombers met on the morning of July 7, all agreed the attacks were wrong, but were quick to point to the Iraq war as an explanation for them. Muslims, most of them originally from Bangladesh and Pakistan, make up 14.5 percent of Luton's 180,000 inhabitants.

Although few people in the neighbourhood voiced extreme views, all had harsh words for US President George W. Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair.

"Bush and Blair, they are not caring about the people in Iraq, about the innocent people getting killed," said Abdul Mohammed, 45, a Sunni Muslim from Bangladesh who settled in Britain 29 years ago. He felt his religion to be under attack by Western powers. "Since the last 10 years, they are trying to control everything all over the world ... Islam is attacked: in Iraq, in Afghanistan, in Palestine," argued the father of four.

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