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New Terrorism event in London 22 July Friday

by Hannah K OLuthon
Fri Jul 22nd, 2005 at 07:37:22 AM EST

Promoted by Colman

Reports from London indicate that an attempted suicide bombing has been prevented by the shooting of a perpetrator at Stockwell station on the Northern Line. The "Al Masri Brigades" have reportedly taken responsibility for yesterday's attacks via an Internet posting, and menaced Rome and Berlusconi with similar actions. This is too "hot off the wire" to be analyzed quietly.

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New Terrorism event in London 22 July Friday | 23 comments (23 topical, 0 editorial, 0 hidden)

...unloaded five shots into him - he's dead (none / 0)

British Transport Police
said the Northern and Victoria Tube lines, which pass through Stockwell, were suspended because of shooting.

Passengers reported a man -- described as South Asian -- ran onto a train. Witnesses said police chased him, he tripped, then they shot him.

"They pushed him onto the floor and unloaded five shots into him. He's dead," witness Mark Whitby told the British Broadcasting Corp.

Whitby said it didn't look like the man was carrying anything but said he was wearing a thick coat that looked padded.

by Oui on Fri Jul 22nd, 2005 at 06:25:20 AM EST

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"...Mechanical Hound never fails. Never since its first use in tracking quarry has this incredible invention made a mistake. Tonight, this network is proud to have the opportunity to follow the Hound by camera helicopter as it starts on its way to the target..."

by citizen on Fri Jul 22nd, 2005 at 02:53:00 PM EST
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Breaking :: Armed police surrounds ... (none / 0)

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a mosque in East London.

by Oui on Fri Jul 22nd, 2005 at 06:30:55 AM EST

BBC Latest News (none / 0)

I saw Tube man shot - eyewitness
"I was distraught, totally distraught. It was no less than five yards away from where I was sitting."
Mark Whitby - Eyewitness

BBC Latest News -

by Oui on Fri Jul 22nd, 2005 at 06:58:51 AM EST

Eyewitness Stockwell Shooting (none / 0)

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From BBC radio - the unit was tracking the victim in an undercover surveillance operation. When this person entered the station, he got away by jumping the entrance barrier and was apprehended in a carriage of the subway train. The unit had to act, as it became an emergency and no time left to get the uniformed, armed squad involved. See and listen to the eyewitness accounts of what followed.

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by Oui on Fri Jul 22nd, 2005 at 02:43:29 PM EST
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Sounds like the victim was under police surveillance.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Jul 22nd, 2005 at 08:54:15 AM EST

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A Sky News reporter has just stated that plain-clothes SO19 officers followed the suspect from his home address to the tube station where he was then challenged, panicked and was shot after being cornered on the tube train.

According to the report, the police were hoping that he would lead them to the location of the other bombers. It seems to me that this is probably a cover story of some sort - surely if they had tracked the suspect to his "home", it would make sense to contain him there. Allowing him to move on to the streets would make him a danger to the public if he were indeed a suicide bomber - it's one hell of a risk to take.

by londanium on Fri Jul 22nd, 2005 at 09:17:47 AM EST
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That sounds completely mad. Any confirmation on that?

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Jul 22nd, 2005 at 09:18:50 AM EST
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BBC have hinted at this version of events as well. I'd be highly skeptical of this "story" sticking.

There is a balance between intelligence gathering and public safety - it's hard to see what intelligence has been gathered, and if the guy was indeed a fully-wired bomber ( which I doubt at this stage ) then the public safety was compromised to an insane extent.

by londanium on Fri Jul 22nd, 2005 at 10:08:26 AM EST
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Another event off Harrow road in West Kilborn. More gunshots reported, area sealed off by armed police.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Jul 22nd, 2005 at 10:09:43 AM EST

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Police are suggesting that they are searching a property in the area and that the presence of armed police is precautionary. There has been just one report so far from someone claiming to have "heard" gunshots who was on Sky News just now; on the BBC, however, another person close to the cordoned area has stated that he heard no gunshots. No arrests have been made according to the police.

by londanium on Fri Jul 22nd, 2005 at 10:18:39 AM EST
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Five live has multiple reports of shots from eye witnesses, for what that's worth.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Jul 22nd, 2005 at 10:19:42 AM EST
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BBC are now reporting 2 "earwitness" saying there were 6 gunshots.

by londanium on Fri Jul 22nd, 2005 at 10:20:30 AM EST
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Reports that "two women of middle-eastern appearance" were detained.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Jul 22nd, 2005 at 10:57:49 AM EST
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Bangs were CS gas, a woman and a man detained. Actually, make that someone in full hajib and a man

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Jul 22nd, 2005 at 11:15:35 AM EST
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Police have just given a press briefing and have released CCTV images of 4 individuals that they are looking for. This opens up the possibility that the person shot this morning was not one of the bombers.

Some interesting points from the briefing:

The device at the Oval was "left" on the Northbound Northern Line train. CCTV image of young Asian male running, wearing a distinctive top which was later found at another location - Cowley Road.

The suspect on the number 26 bus got off at 13.06 - so some time before the device detonated.

The suggestion is that some of the bombers may not have been suicide bombers.

Quotes from Sir Ian Blair: "this is the greatest challenge faced by the Met....the police are facing previously unknown threats and great danger....rumours are sweeping London"

by londanium on Fri Jul 22nd, 2005 at 10:59:25 AM EST

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My notes from the press conference. Note that the Harrow Road area in question is just north, withing about 200 metres of Westbourne Park Underground station. Thre are also reports that a remote control explosives controlled detonator (one of those caterpillar track things) was seen at the Harrow Road site. These have modified shotguns to blow open suspected packages. As well as a house being raided, two women and a young boy were taken from an interner cafe on the main Harrow Road. The house is in a side road:

PRESS CONFERENCE

Photographs to be made available (subject not specified)

Police activity related to bus and tube incidents yesterday.

Met Police Commissioner praises police and appeals for people not to jump to conclusions. Investigation directed against criminals not any particular community.

Confirmation shooting directly linked to anti-terrorist operation. Man challenged and refused to obey police instructions.

Deputy Commissioner in Charge of Terrorism:

Intelligence and evidence opportuties increased. CCTV tapes and verbal evidence gathered. CCTV images of 4 men wanted in connection with attempts to detonate devices yesterday to be issued. Public asked to give information on their current location (999 call, do not appraoch), if anyone knows identity should contact anti-terrorist branch hotline.

Oval Underground station north bound Northern line train. Picture of man running away from train shown, believed to have travelled north from Stockwell station. Tope with "New York" on it later found in Brixton.

CCTV picture of man on bus shown.

Warren street bomb left on northbound Victoria line train. Picture again shown.

Shepherds Bush (Hammermith and City line) westbound bomb. Man shown at Westbourne Park station where he got train and ran from it at Shepherds Bush (NOTE LOCATION OF INTERNET CAFE).

In addition to the Harrow Road site, two further houses are being investigated. Bomb partially exploded at all sites. Home made explosives but means of detonation not known.

All information of possible relevance requested from public.

by Londonbear on Fri Jul 22nd, 2005 at 11:08:43 AM EST

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BBC pictures of people being sought by police.

Going out way on a limb here: they look North African and Arab rather than from Pakistan/India.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Jul 22nd, 2005 at 11:24:15 AM EST

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Christ, it sounds like the USA. Shot dead for "running away from police while swarthy of complexion."

The difference between theory and practise in practise ...

by DeAnander (de_at_daclarke_dot_org) on Sat Jul 23rd, 2005 at 01:04:03 AM EST

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The guy has now been officially declared innocent.

by londanium on Sat Jul 23rd, 2005 at 12:25:49 PM EST
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Brazilian Jean Charles de Menezes (none / 0)

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Man Killed in London Subway Not Linked to Blasts

Three plain clothes' policemen chased the victim into Stockwell station and caught him inside a car when he slipped and fell. Five shots into the head were fatal.

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by Oui on Sat Jul 23rd, 2005 at 05:00:59 PM EST
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Apology: Stockwell Man Was INNOCENT (none / 0)

Shot man not connected to bombing

LONDON July 23, 2005 - The man shot and killed on a subway car by London police officers before horrified commuters had nothing to do with the investigation into a series of bombings against the city's transit system.

A spokesman for Scotland Yard said on customary condition of anonymity that "the man was unconnected to the incidents of Thursday," in which bombs placed on three subway cars and a double-decker bus failed to detonate properly.

The spokesman also said the man was "probably unconnected" to the July 7 subway and bus bombings that killed 56 people, including four attackers.

Onlookers observe the scene at Stockwell Underground train station after a man was shot dead in south London. Undercover police shot the man at Stockwell station on Friday. Commuters on the carriage were eyewitnesses, as the suspect was shot dead. (Reuters)

Brazilian Jean Charles de Menezes
"I'm Brazilian and have been living in London for years, this is what happened to me on Friday morning in daylight."

Brazilian Ambassador demands answers

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Three plain clothes policemen ... chased the victim into Stockwell station and caught him inside a car when he slipped and fell. Five shots into the head were fatal.

Man Killed in London Subway Not Linked to Blasts

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by Oui on Sun Jul 24th, 2005 at 04:20:25 AM EST

Too Much Opinion - Little Evidence (none / 0)

new report suggests ...
explain his fatal error in running ...
what the information does do is ...
It confirms the opinion ... before the police's intent could be assessed.

Too much speculation put forth in opinions and too little evidence. MSM reports and many diaries are advantageous to the incompetent action and reaction of the three undercover plain clothed policemen in the London shooting of an innocent man.

I know of no Met policeman or policewoman who would enter the subway carriage and execute a fugitive who had tripped and was on the ground.

What mindset do you have to believe you are tracking a suicide bomber? How many Pakistani, or persons with Asian appearances, live and work in London. What are the chances you are following a bomber?

Alex Pereira, victim's cousin at Tulse Hill?

Juan Charles de Menezes was not known to the investigation, the housing block was under surveillance. If there was any suspicion towards his involvement with explosives, the housing unit would have been raided.

My only question left: who were these undercover men and what special operations unit did they belong to. What was their training and day's specific order for the stake out.

The stories told to the press by the London Met Police and Ian Blair is inconsistent and does not give any logical answers to what happened.

Juan Charles de Menezes had left his flat in Tulse Hill and boarded a bus towards Stockwell Tube station to go to work.

Jean Charles de Menezes leaves a house under surveillance and arrives at Stockwell station
Witnesses say he vaults the automatic ticket barriers and heads for the platforms
He then ran down an escalator after being approached by up to 20 plain-clothed police officers and tried to board a train
He apparently refuses to obey police instructions and after running onto a northbound Northern line train, he is shot dead

Jean Charles de Menezes - Marked for Death ◊ by steppenwulf
Sun Jul 24th, 2005 at 23:49:58 PDT

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by Oui on Mon Jul 25th, 2005 at 11:29:28 AM EST

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