European Tribune

Increasing Obesity

by Fran
Sun Aug 28th, 2005 at 01:44:13 PM EST

promoted by Jerome. I have added some maps showing the advance of the "epidemic" in the US just below the fold

This week I saw the following BBC feature repeatedly and every time it catched my attention.

US people getting fatter, fast

Americans are getting fatter at a rate never seen before, a report shows.

In the past year, the adult obesity rate rose in 48 of America's states, and nationally from 23.7% to 24.5%, Trust for America's Health found.

In 10 states, over a quarter of adults are now obese, despite campaigns alerting people to the dangers of over-eating.

Mississippi, famous for its calorific mud pie, ranked the highest, followed by Alabama and West Virginia.



(white means "no information" in the maps below. The colors show the percentage of obese people, per State)

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I have been traveling to the US for decades now and every time I was amazed at the kind of obesity I saw. People here where overweight too, but not in the soft flappy why I got to see in the US and it was hard to imagine that it could get worse, but this is what seems to happen.

Crisis point

The non-profit organization said the situation had reached crisis point and current policies were failing.

Currently, about 119 million, or 64.5%, of US adults are either overweight or obese.

According to projections, 73% of US adults could be overweight or obese by 2008, Trust for America's Health warned.

I do agree with the conclusion about the poor nutrition. Maybe one could even go further considering it to be starving. Nutrition is not just about calories, especially not empty calories and as long as the body does not receive what it needs for a healthy and well-functioning metabolism it will signal hunger as it starves and is hungry to get what it needs.

"We have a crisis of poor nutrition and physical inactivity in the US and it's time we dealt with it."

The trust says more needs to be done to tackle inactivity and poor diet, focusing particularly on schools to prevent bad lifestyle habits being learned in childhood.

But this is not just about the US. As described in the BBC feature this phenomenon can also be observed in the UK

"We have seen this year-on-year rise in obesity in the US that has been mirrored in the UK. We know we are only about seven years behind them.

"When will we in this country wake up and smell the coffee?

"The Americans have woken up to it before and clearly they are still in a state of policy paralysis.

"In this country, the government is working very hard to try and develop a strategy for obesity but at the moment very little practically is being done.

"It really is time that we got our finger out and started making real changes.

"This is no cosmetic irritation, it is a serious medical problem."

But again it is not just the UK it seems to affect all of Europe. I wrote about above, that this soft, flabby kind of obesity was for associated with the US. Well, that has changed - I think about 5 years ago I started to see some of this here in Switzerland too, and over the last two or three years it has visibly increased.

I do agree again with the BBC feature that one of the solutions, if not the only, is education. I wanted to link to an article from the Independent about a program in French schools, which must have been published something over a year ago, but could not find it anymore. Thus, I was happy to find the following feature in my local newspaper:

Learning about food and physical exercise with «Tacco & Flip»

THE BASEL-LAND NUTRITION PROJECT AT ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS IS GOING INTO ITS SECOND ROUND

The lure of fast food is omnipresent. Fast food chains are everywhere. 30% of the kids are overweight. «Tacco & Flip» want to counter this trend.

In the USA, where fast food was invented, obesity is one of the major health problems these days. And since the fast food wave has washed across nearly every continent in the meantime, this is an increasing problem for us here, too. This makes it all the more important that the issues of lack of physical exercise and uncontrolled food intake (for which not only fast food can be held accountable) are tackled early - i.e. from birth.

Very often this works well as long as the parents are around, but not always. The following figures show this clearly: 60% of the kids have a weak or damaged posture; 40% have a weak cardio-circulatory system; 40% have muscular and stamina deficiencies; and 30% are overweight. These figures are alarming.

These are frustrating numbers and I do hope that education will help to improve the situation.

The project aims at a balanced energy exchange for kids, learning about healthy nutrition in a playful way, and adequate physical exercise - i.e. more of it again. Irène Renz, head of Health Promotion stated that obese kids are not singled out for therapy within this project. The project addresses all kids.

But while writing this, I was also wondering if this is not a more systemic problem of our society - the obesity only a symptom of its malfunction, that includes more than just food and if not tackled will have grave consequences for society as a whole.

What do you think?

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As someone who is not naturally thin (although I am winning the battle at the moment), I would point out some changes in our general society:

  • Increase in desk jobs/decrease in manual labour
  • Enormous increase in "food wealth"
  (Many foods used to be expensive, which kept their consumption down in society as a whole)
- Central heating, increased car ownership and I'd particularly draw attention to "increased pace of life." Sure, many people could walk/bicycle to work instead of taking the bus, but turning a 15 min journey into a 25 min one (for example) is hard on busy people.

All this doesn't amount to the fast increase in obesity we are seeing, but it does amount to my generation finding it harder to stay healthy than my parents generation to some degree I think.

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Sun Aug 28th, 2005 at 11:48:34 AM EST
(did the internet rounds a couple of years ago)




In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Sun Aug 28th, 2005 at 12:22:29 PM EST
this is an important topic because it seems that Europe is not far behind in this respect.

I would blame also:

  • not taking the time to eat properly (real meals, at set times, around the table, with cooked food and conversation)
  • snacking throughout the day;
  • kids eating on their own without learning any kind of food discipline.

I'm turning into an 'old values' conservative... I must be getting old (and fat)


In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Sun Aug 28th, 2005 at 12:25:14 PM EST
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That's why I've gained weight.  I also have blogger butt (sitting around blogging instead of excercising).  Fortunately, my husband loves how I look.

However, I'm actually losing weight now - eating more sensibly, drinking less beer, and excercising more.  Being overweight has so many health risks, so I figured that I'd better do something about it now, before I hit my 40s.

I'm making it sound like I'm really fat.  I'm not.  I just have a little too much lard on my ass ;-)

I went shopping for pants in Amsterdam, and in the town where my mother-in-law lives.  It was terribly frustrating, because the biggest size they had was too tight (on my blogger butt)!  And I'm not even fat!  It was actually quite funny - my mother-in-law and I were giggling a lot.  But it was frustrating as well.

by Plutonium Page (page dot vlinders at gmail dot com) on Sun Aug 28th, 2005 at 12:44:07 PM EST
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Amsterdam? That's 35 clicks from where I live (Utrecht). I didn't know you were hanging out that nearby.

It's not just Dutch beer. When you drink Belgian beers you can practically feel the weight add to your gut (but you just don't notice because of the lightness in the head factor).

If you're in for beer and a relaxed evening, hop over to Utrecht one day and I'll be happy to take you to the best pub this town has to offer.

by Nomad on Mon Aug 29th, 2005 at 12:36:51 PM EST
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Great picture, and thank you for adding the maps and for posting this on Booman.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Aug 29th, 2005 at 12:43:32 AM EST
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I blame smoking bans. :-)

Okay, not really -- I have some serious thoughts on this, actually.  I don't know all the answers, but I think a huge thing that would help immediately is to get the junk food out of our schools.  I don't know if this has spead to Europe, but we have a ton of crap in the schools.

Cash-strapped schools have let in soda machines and other stuff.  I believe education is a good idea, but we already do have it in most schools.  Any answer that doesn't involve stopping corporate fast food sponsorship in schools is just hot air as far as I'm concerned.  

I'd also like to see some sort of reduction or regulation or something of advertising aimed at kids.

I think Page brings up another factor -- we're really busy and stressed over here.  It's becoming quite typical for people to work two jobs or 60 hour work weeks.  Who has time to cook?  Or shop?  There aren't many places where one can walk to the stores either.  

Plus, and this I think is a big factor, nutritious food is far more expensive than fast food now.  You can feed a family Taco Bell for dinner for less than it takes to buy the ingredients for a cooked meal.

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes

by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Aug 28th, 2005 at 01:07:17 PM EST
Plus, and this I think is a big factor, nutritious food is far more expensive than fast food now.  You can feed a family Taco Bell for dinner for less than it takes to buy the ingredients for a cooked meal.

That is a major factor.  We often refer to Whole Foods, the major American supermarket that sells healthy, organic food & fresh produce, "Whole Paycheck," because it really is not cheap.  

I work near a very poor inner city community and I have never even seen a grocery store there that sells produce.  But there is a McDonalds or convenience store (selling cigs, liquor, and junk food) on every corner.

Also, Americans tend to have a very sedentary lifestyle: they drive everywhere, sit at a desk or stand behind a counter all day, sit on the couch in front of the Tv when they get home...  

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. -Voltaire

by p------- on Sun Aug 28th, 2005 at 01:37:06 PM EST
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You're so right -- organic foods and fish are unaffordable for most of the country.  And the situation in the inner-cities is a disgrace.  No produce and everything else costing more than in the expensive areas (with the exception of Whole Foods!).

The 40th anniversary of the Watts riots just passed, and next to police brutality, the grocery store is the most talked-about factor.  The LA Times interviewed some people who were there at the time, and this one person was saying the food in that store was so rotten that no one even looted it -- they just burned that sucker down.

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes

by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Aug 28th, 2005 at 02:37:20 PM EST
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Do you have organic box schemes there? There is one in most areas here: you pay a standard charge for a weekly (delivered) box, and get a box full of whatever vegetables and fruits are in season. They usually come from local farms, and thus don't cost a lot to the environment in 'food miles'.

There is a briefing page on them here:
soil association

by Boudicca (badgerval at hotmail dot com) on Sun Aug 28th, 2005 at 03:08:00 PM EST
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I've heard of celebrities here getting such things, but I've never heard of it in real life.  But there's a lot I don't know!

Where we live, we do get milk delivered from a local farm that doesn't use hormones or anything, and it's the same cost as from the store, but I was amazed to come across such a thing.  They certainly didn't have that where I grew up in Los Angeles!

Also what I've heard is good here, is we have local farmer's markets on the weekends.   That's on my to-do list.  I'd like to get fresh food and support the local growers.

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes

by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Aug 28th, 2005 at 07:03:41 PM EST
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"Plus, and this I think is a big factor, nutritious food is far more expensive than fast food now.  You can feed a family Taco Bell for dinner for less than it takes to buy the ingredients for a cooked meal. "

It is possible to eat cheaply, but the problem is that no-one is taught how to any more. If kids are brought up on fast food - how are they going to know how to cook cheap cuts of meat, or make a big vegetable stew that will last days?

This, along with many of societies ills, I blame on the loss of community. There have always been ill/inadequate/negligent parents, but in a true community others would ensure that the weakest were held up and carried along. I am not talking of a nostalgic utopia - but just of a time when neighbours were concerned if a child wasn't getting fed properly and when school dinners had no choice but came always with two veg and with a talk from the headmaster on table manners.

Another problem is the false theme of 'bigger is better': I have never been to the states, but my mother has a couple of times (to visit old friends) and she was horrified at the size of the servings wherever she went. She grew up with rationing, and couldn't contemplate serving a meal that was too big to be eaten.

by Boudicca (badgerval at hotmail dot com) on Sun Aug 28th, 2005 at 02:06:36 PM EST
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I agree about community and the "bigger is better" problems.  And 10 years ago, what you said about the stews, etc., was true, but that's no longer the case.  

Even with the cheapest cuts of meat, real food is more expensive than fast food now.  Unless, of course, you're talking about surviving on vats of rice and beans, but otherwise Taco Bell beats vegetable stew here price-wise.  It's quite horrifying.

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes

by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Aug 28th, 2005 at 02:25:09 PM EST
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While I've never eaten at Taco bell in my recollection, I can beat McDonalds easily at home with a number of "man meals".  And that's shopping at very expensive grocery stores here in Hawaii.
by HiD on Mon Aug 29th, 2005 at 03:20:32 AM EST
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Well, all of my observations are from the western US.  I have no idea about the other areas.  When I lived in the Honolulu area over 15 years ago, the groceries and some retail were surprisingly comparable to Los Angeles prices, even though rents were more than double.  I don't recall if fast food was more or not.

Here (Seattle area now and LA last I visited) McDonalds is definitely not cheap.  Taco Bell, Dairy Queen and sometimes Arby's are the least expensive.  Not everything on the menus, but generally if you don't get sodas, you can eat for under $2 per person.  Jack-in-the-Box is the most expensive and can cost more than a sit-down meal.

Still, Top Ramen at $0.10 and Kraft Mac & Cheese has those prices beat, but I wasn't counting processed food.

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes

by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Aug 29th, 2005 at 03:47:27 PM EST
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4 lb chicken ($4 bucks on sale), bake/broil whatever.
2 lbs potatoes $2 bucks - microwaved or baked
Broccoli -- 1 lb/$2 bucks-- steam.
Bit of butter, spices etc --$1 max.

bit of effort and we can get 4 individual meals for roughly $2 per.....Plus a few cents for electricity (prob less than the gas to go to Taco Hell.

Even easier.  2 lbs of boneless chicken ($5 on sale)
One jar chili mix ($3 bucks)  
dump in crock pot and serve over rice ($.50).

another 4 meals for $2/per and more work washing up than prep.  (and something even a lazy bugger like me can do).

Just quick and dirty cooking for folks too tired/busy/lazy to get serious.  Things I'd compare to fast food.  You really can't compare a well prepared  3 course meal to fast food garbage.  You pay more to get more.

by HiD on Mon Aug 29th, 2005 at 08:17:15 PM EST
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Jeez -- stop!  You're making me hungry!  :-)

It does sound like our food prices are comparable and those are good ideas.  And I get your point that it can be done.  I still think there's something wrong, though, when, generally, it's cheaper to eat crap than real food.  It used to be the opposite.

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes

by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Aug 29th, 2005 at 09:09:20 PM EST
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it's always been cheaper to eat crap.  When I was just a lad, you could get a Krystal hamburger for 19cts.  More onions than meat but basically free.  Another hamburger joing did equally horrible burgers for like 25cts.  No way mom could cook that cheap.

Large scale production using mediocre quality materials and min wage labor is just cheap (and easy for the buggers lining up).

by HiD on Tue Aug 30th, 2005 at 05:26:47 AM EST
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So how come the chicken is the same price as the potatoes. Anyone see anything wrong with that?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Aug 30th, 2005 at 05:01:17 AM EST
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Welcome to Hawaii

Potatoes are expensive to ship out here evidently. (rot fast in the heat too) Yams will grow here but not spuds. (and I couldn't remember what we paid for the bag of spuds, prob guessed high, but usually they are about $1/lb when sold loose).  Locally grown tubers are something we haven't figured out yet.

If you really want to eat cheap, head to Hamura's Siamin shop for a huge bowl of noodles/wonton/mystery meat(spam)and a couple of chicken skewers for about $6-7 bucks.  Cough up another $1.5 for big slice of Lilikoi pie...

We even have a TV news spot called Cheap Eats where two hugely fat newscasters show you where to chow down for cheap (but on Oahu).  No fast food but pretty high calorie stuff usually.  We have a terrible obesity problem and high rate of diabetes in these islands.  Esp. among the Hawaiian population that seem to love pretty unhealthy eats and have a cultural thing in favor of being obese.

by HiD on Tue Aug 30th, 2005 at 05:22:27 AM EST
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You got the wrong end of that stick. It's the $4 chicken that gets to me. I didn't even think the potatoes were expensive. It means the chicken came out of a factory, which is a bad thing on all sorts of levels.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Aug 30th, 2005 at 05:31:58 AM EST
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I'm not having too much luck killing the wild chickens in the yard.  They look pretty tough to boot.  I would go veggie if I had to pluck feathers ......

The chicken was actually $7.50.  Safeway had a 2/1 sale but no doubt it's a factory farmed bird.  If you want local meat here it' usually pork with some grass fed beef (not that great quality either) also available.  Mostly, we get container loads of frozen meat from the mainland.  But the fish is fresh!

by HiD on Tue Aug 30th, 2005 at 07:13:53 AM EST
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The portion sizes blindsided us in Western Canada a few years ago - first holiday ever that we put on weight, normally we walk off everything we eat - since we were used to eating whatever was served. Still haven't lost it properly.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Sun Aug 28th, 2005 at 02:27:12 PM EST
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It's incredible, isn't it?  We rarely eat out, but when we do we usually split the meal.

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes
by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Aug 28th, 2005 at 02:41:59 PM EST
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This all feeds into a long rant that's waiting in my head about the quality of food in UK/US/Ireland. That'll have to wait for a while since I'm too busy right now.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Sun Aug 28th, 2005 at 03:00:21 PM EST
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I am looking forward to it.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Aug 29th, 2005 at 01:00:57 AM EST
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I've had my share of food in England. Keen to read about your thoughts.
by Nomad on Mon Aug 29th, 2005 at 01:01:54 PM EST
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I think this is why doggy bags where invented.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Aug 29th, 2005 at 12:56:51 AM EST
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American restaurants serve gigantic portions so that the customer thinks he/she is getting a good deal.  And the customer eats it all because it is a sin to let food go to waste.  Or those are the theories I've heard...

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. -Voltaire
by p------- on Mon Aug 29th, 2005 at 12:44:11 PM EST
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... a whole holiday and 5 extra kilos to understand that principle of gigantic portions = good deal. I'm raised with the second principle: I would continue to eat because I simply felt guilty knowing it would otherwise be thrown away. (The next holiday I had in the USA, I switched to sharing portions.)

I think you're spot on.

by Nomad on Mon Aug 29th, 2005 at 12:58:21 PM EST
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It is possible to eat cheaply, but not always possible to eat healthily cheaply, certainly not if you are shopping for a whole family who demands something besides oatmeal, beans and rice...

American grocery stores are just stocked with pre-packaged, chemical & sugar filled food.  Food that takes little or no time to prepare and lasts in the pantry for a long time so people can buy in bulk and save money.  Not a lot of cheap fresh meat, fish, dairy and produce.

We have summer farmers' markets in Chicago.  And I live in a neighborhood that has held on to it's European roots and has become a bit of a "foodie" paradise, with a cheese shop, several good butchers and delis, etc.  (We also have a local dairy producer, but the guy who runs it is a racist freak with political ambitions so I don't buy his stuff.)But this is really not representative of how America shops.  

I took a road trip with some friends to visit some relatives in southern MO (who are clean, polite, and literate, thank you, tusafait...) and we all were sick the entire time.  We finally realized that we had not even SEEN any fruits or unfried vegetables the whole time!  It was all soda, fast food, fried food, processed food...  

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. -Voltaire

by p------- on Mon Aug 29th, 2005 at 12:22:11 PM EST
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"American grocery stores... Not a lot of cheap fresh meat, fish, dairy and produce."

I think this is an overstatement. Every town--even the small rural places--has a grocery store with plenty of fresh food. Usually with a pretty broad range of exotics that might appeal to Mexicans or Italians or whatever the minority community in the area happens to be.

The Indian people (from India) that I've spoken to here in the mid-West have commented on how nice it is to be able to go into a grocery store and choose between such a wide variety of fresh vegetables and fruits.

It seems to me that the whole problem is one of personal choice, because every town has a grocery store with "good" food in it.

We could do a cross-cultural experiment, and each make a pricing run to our local market. What would be in the test "market basket?"

Apple
Grapes
Pasta
Olive oil
Lettuce
Spinach
Carrot
French bread
Red wine, Cotes du Rhone maybe
Cheeze, somebody suggest a variety. (Not Cheez-Whiz!)

Other suggestions?

by asdf on Mon Aug 29th, 2005 at 01:10:24 PM EST
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Depends on where you live, I am sure.

But I still bet that a vat of Spaghetti-o's from Sam's Club costs less than your lovely little menu there (which freakishly resembles every shopping list I made during college, meaning you picked out all the cheap food too!)...

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. -Voltaire

by p------- on Mon Aug 29th, 2005 at 01:35:54 PM EST
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I agree with poemless about the Spaghetti-o's.  And it does vary by area, but while I agree most areas have a wide variety of produce, fish, and meat, there is very little selection that's cheap.

Also, in Los Angeles inner-city areas and perhaps the other major cities, there are indeed areas where it's difficult to obtain fresh food.

On your list, you have named some inexpensive items, but grapes and olive-oil are pricey.  Cheese can be.  Otherwise, let's see... I can get lettuce for $1.19/head;  carrots/0.98/lb;  various pasta from $1.40 - $2.50/pkg;  french bread normally $1.50-$2.50/loaf, but it goes on sale regularly for 0.98/loaf;  cheddar cheese, the least expensive, runs about $2.55/lb.

Apples are cheap here (Seattle area) and we can get sweet corn 5 for $1 in season.  I've noticed stuff like broccoli and zuchinni has gone way up.  Potatoes aren't too bad.  Local salmon is about $8-9/lb and goes on sale sometimes for $5.  In LA it was around $11/lb 10 years ago.  The very cheapest fish is about $4/lb.  For meat, ground beef and chicken are the least -- smart shopping can get it around $2.50/lb on average.

If I buy bulk from Costco, I can get some things for much less, but this isn't an option for many people.

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes

by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Aug 29th, 2005 at 04:11:17 PM EST
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I'd add milk to the list. Cheese: Cheddar. Because it's practically universal. Gouda would work as well, or Parmazan.

Friendly cautions: do mind the quantity. I'm sure you know, but in Europe we work with litres for instance. Price comparison per country is a bitch if it comes to that and then we don't even talk about the inner price variance that comes between shops within one country... Or taxes for countries or states, for instance. The stuff of headaches and migraines. This is like science: it looks easy and then, suddenly, it isn't.

Anyway. I would boost the list a little bit more, add some detail for quantity or provenance and post it again, and then go from there. I think it's a funky idea. Make it a diary, if you got the time.

by Nomad on Mon Aug 29th, 2005 at 05:13:39 PM EST
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As far as I know most schools, at least here in Switzerland do not yet have school lunch. Most children still eat at home. I think there are also no soda machines at schools, however soda consumption has increased together with fast food.

Here the vegetables are reasonable to buy, though organic is also more expensive. The really expensive stuff is meat and cheese. I do not know how expensive they are currently as I stopped eating them, especially meat, a long time ago.

Something is just not right if a Taco Bell diner becomes cheaper than home made food. So it really looks like the system is sick too. So the question is what can be done and my guess is, with the agribusiness, each and everyone will have to start on a individual level as they will not change without pressure, i.e. making less money because people are not buying there stuff anymore.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Aug 29th, 2005 at 12:55:23 AM EST
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I also meant to say how saddened I am when I see obese children: it is a growing problem here in the UK and it horrifies me. If poor eating habits are set up that way in childhood, how can they ever re-learn what healthy eating is like. I consider obesity in children to be a form of child abuse, as the children are not being given what they need to thrive as healthy young people who can reach their full potential.
by Boudicca (badgerval at hotmail dot com) on Sun Aug 28th, 2005 at 02:10:50 PM EST
I lived in Spain in 1987-88 and in 1990, and saw very few overwieght/obese people, and usually it was only older people who were overweight. I was there again just recently and was surprised to see American-style obesity, especially in younger people. At this point it's still a small percentage of people, but something has changed in the Spanish lifestyle and I fear the problem will get worse before it gets better. Same here in France--the average French person seems quite thin to me, but overweight and obese people are hardly unknown.

Education is critical, but not enough. Even if people know that eating is a particular way is bad for their health, that won't necessarily stop them from eating that way when they are stressed, in a hurry, don't have cheap, healthy food readily available, or have friends who won't or don't take the time and care to eat well. There needs to also be policy support: make sure schools serve healthy food to kids; make sure that the prices of fresh and healthy food are low enough for everyone to eat; keep a leash on fastfood chains; etc.

I don't think the US is going to fix this problem anytime soon, but I am more optimistic that Europe can make some decent progress if they start working on it now rather than later.

by wheylona on Sun Aug 28th, 2005 at 02:17:29 PM EST
Fran, you ask if there isn't something systemic here, something proper to our society.

One very prosaic thing that is systemic is that our food production, transformation, and distribution have become totally industrialized. And it's not just a question of how food is produced, it's what is produced: the basic ingredients of high-calory/low-nutritive-value fast food, snacks, etc -- sugar, corn/maize, low-quality beef, pork, chicken, milk, all of these to be treated as raw materials for industrial transformation into cheap, eezy-to-eat crap. Market segmentation ensures that, as poemless and Izzy point out, the poorest are only offered this kind of food to the exclusion of any other, while categories who are better off have to make a financial effort to get decent food.

The other systemic thing, imo, is that obesity increases as equality decreases. As the distance between the top and the bottom of society grows, as the differences in income and potential for higher income become more marked, as social mobility tightens, so the sense of community founders and large numbers of people  find themselves alienated, solitary, deprived of a project they have sufficient self-esteem to believe in.   I'm not saying every obese person fits this description, but my feeling is the majority do.


When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Aug 28th, 2005 at 05:32:14 PM EST
afew, interesting thought - I food will be a topic for many more diaries.

I more and more convinced that agribusiness with its greed for money is one source of those problems, and society will have to find solutions sooner, hopefully, than later. But what are they?

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Aug 29th, 2005 at 01:16:09 AM EST
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It would be nice to start with the sugar lobby as part of the problem.  Everything even most so called health foods has either sugar, fructose, corn starch etc as one of the top ingredients some with several of the sugar derivatives as ingredients.  It's almost impossible to get away from some form of sugar listed in everything you find in a grocery store.

Like anything there isn't one easy solution for the tremendous upswing in obesity here in the US but I do think that sugar that's in everything is a major problem. and with little chance of the sugar lobby being curbed in any way.

I've been joking to my sister for over ten years that all the poisons in the air, going into the ground so that even organic foods are tainted is changing the dna of people and causing some sort of fat gene..that either speeds up gaining weight or makes it almost impossible to lose weight. I'm wondering now if my joking isn't truer than I thought.  I've known people who exersize religiously, eat sparingly and are overweight..same way some people stay slim who don't exersize and eat whatever they want.

"People never do evil so throughly and happily as when they do it from moral conviction."-Blaise Pascal

by chocolate ink on Sun Aug 28th, 2005 at 06:33:09 PM EST
Funny you should mention that -- remember that nutty list the right-wing put out recently of the 10 most "dangerous" books?  They had a list of government programs they hated too, and #10, under Social Security, the IRS, and Medicare, etc, was Sugar Import Quotas and Subsidies.  They also made reference to "sugar cartels."  Evidently, this whole sugar issue is bigger than I realized.

You're right about it being in everything, too.  I hadn't realized quite how bad it was until my mom got diabetes and I had to start reading labels.  It's baffling -- you're literally looking at a can of green beans or something going "WTF?!?"

I wonder if it's the same in Europe?  My family is Scottish, so I can't judge by them.  Scotland has around the highest sugar consumption in the world I've read, and my family seems to live up to that fine tradition -- a slice of bread spread with condensed milk is considered an acceptable breakfast.

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes

by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Aug 28th, 2005 at 06:57:07 PM EST
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I read somewhere that at the end of the 19th century sugar consumption was about 6 pounds per person and year and now it is around 130 pounds per person and year. Horrendous! I think a little sugar once in a while is okay, it is the amount that makes it into poison.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Aug 29th, 2005 at 01:06:50 AM EST
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Wish away obesity? Fat chance

The saddest part of the story is not just that we're drowning in a tidal wave of fat, but that we're watching ourselves go down. The Trust for America's Health releases its obesity study annually because the numbers now jump so quickly. This time, the obesity rate rose eight-tenths of a percentage point in a single year - hundreds of thousands of Americans gaining more weight even as they are bombarded with news accounts and doctors' warnings of the serious health risks fat incurs.

One thing is clear: burying one's head in the sand, or the cookie jar, won't solve this health crisis. While Americans cling to the belief that there's a pill to solve everything - or that a magic vaccine is floating just out of reach on the horizon - the obesity epidemic will have no such effortless solution.

But neither does the "fix" have to be as painful or Draconian as some dieters believe.

As the Enquirer editorial board pointed out in its five-part series, "Healthy Children, Healthy Future" - and as the Trust for America's Health study perfectly echoes - the real answer to obesity is a series of small but vital steps that individuals can undertake without guilt or much distress, and which communities can support.

Study recommendations, which we list in the "Recommendations" list with this editorial, bypass fancy science to get straight to the heart of this lifestyle ailment. Almost anything that makes us move more will help, as will even a modest switch to fresher, more natural foods.

One of the best things the new study has done is turn Americans' eyes to the generally unassuming state of Oregon, the only state that did not have an increase in obesity this year.

There are probably many reasons why Oregon has thinner people, but one of the most obvious is the design of its cities, which encourage an active and outdoor lifestyle. A Chicago Sun-Times story reported that 10 percent of Portland residents ride their bikes to work, for example, and the city of Portland pays its employees to do so.

The state has also had an increase in farms, growers and farmers' markets in recent years, another step that provides the healthiest foods directly to consumers and often builds a taste and demand for fresh, seasonal choices.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Aug 29th, 2005 at 01:20:46 AM EST
It runs in my family , I always had to fight kilos and as I am getting older it's becoming harder and more important...
But my husband has not inherited this problem and we were surprised to see how suddenly and in a few years we all including my husband has gained too much weight when we immigrated to Australia. I am definitely sure that there are many components in this problem and it's definitely "systemic problem of our society" (meaning developed rich countries).
I visited Serbia this winter and I can tell you they do not have this problem at all. As someone mentioned it's only older people that are fat there and all the young girls are thin as super models and boys are more athletic then thin , mostly  (they do all kind of sports)...
Not to mention children who are totally normal...But then again children are allowed to play without supervision all around area they live in because there are not that many lunatics and pedophiles in Serbia (thanks God).
Not that there are not fast-food everywhere and not that people do not eat it...but not every day and every meal, that's for sure. Also people are not "offended" if they walk to bus and even all the way to work. Here in Australia we have to go by car to the area where we can walk the dog and of course while we had grocery stores on every corner in Belgrade (not any more) and we normally walked there to buy what we need on a daily bases here we have to drive to big supermarkets and we buy stuff for two weeks or so. We buy too much...we eat too much.
Here in Australia it's almost like in USA...and it's horrific.
On the other hand Christ told us it's better for us to share with a poor and we (people generally)  do not do that ...Everything has some kind of "revenge" in it self to self correct what we people mix-up...Being rich is going to kill us...ha-ha...and literally...but pharmaceutical industry is here to fix everything I suppose...and make a lot of money in the process...
I don't think that anything could be done except on individual bases...It took me 50 years to start taking care of what I eat...and it's probably too late...
by vbo on Mon Aug 29th, 2005 at 03:21:21 AM EST
My son asked me the other day what kind of people are living in heartland America. Here is my response:

A male American there is fat like a bull and has brown fuzz all around his face and body except his head, with what looks like belly is protruding between his T-shirt and inversely-triangular jeans. He drives a dirty van of some kind never washed. His mate is an equally fat female with untrimmed hair. They have children and love to go into McDonalds and eat gigantic hamburgers with huge coke. Whenever one of the kids misbehaves, the wife gets mad like hell and whacks at the poor fellow, threatening never to do it again.  

Well, what you got here in Japan is a miserable male figure with an insolent grimace, who doesn't sleep with his wife who spends all her savings on Louis Vuitton. They have a Toyota which the male loves to wash and then leaves at an open parking space. They go into family restaurants with kids who run around, fight each other and scream, while parents pretend not seeing any of the mess as long as they don't demand another ice cream.

I will become a patissier, God willing.

by tuasfait on Mon Aug 29th, 2005 at 10:17:48 AM EST
Wow.  

I am sure people like that do exist, but that is a pretty mean stereotype.  I really hope you are not actually teaching your son those things.  

Your statements are just as ignorant as those folks in the Heartland you seek to demean.


Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. -Voltaire

by p------- on Mon Aug 29th, 2005 at 01:49:33 PM EST
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It's about how much you move.

Seriously. We (and the main host of the doctors) talk 90 % of the time about what we eat and about how much we eat of it.

Now, without wanting to butt heads by portraying stereotypes, but a small research group calculated the amount of calories an industrious housewife from the 1950's would use based on an amount of daily chores (vacuuming, washing, doing dishes, doing shopping). The figure was approximately 1500 calories for one day work.

Then, they calculated how much calories a modern-day housewife would use for the identical set of chores, but using modern means (dishwasher, car to get to the shop, extra handy window cleaner, etc.). This figure was approximately 500 calories.

I can't remember the exact numbers, they also could've been 4500 to 1500. The gist, however, is: nowadays even in the household we use a third of what it used to be. What replaced it? Perhaps some more often bringing the kids to their weekly activities (by car), but otherwise not very much.

Dietist and the whole she-bang of doctors who preach about managing your food hardly ever stress the point that EXERCISE is inherently connected to battling obesity.

by Nomad on Mon Aug 29th, 2005 at 12:50:01 PM EST
Mississippi, famous for its calorific mud pie, ranked the highest, followed by Alabama and West Virginia.

Neither here nor there, the name "Mississippi mud pie" gets its namesake from the mud in the Mississippi River, not the State...  

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. -Voltaire

by p------- on Mon Aug 29th, 2005 at 01:11:52 PM EST
I found this article very interesting (warning!  PDF!)

It asserts a strong correlation between urban form and obesity.  Other studies have asserted strong correlations between class and obesity (much of this having to do with food pricing and availability in poor urban areas) in the US.  It is typical, I suppose, of US political/social thinking that approaches to the problem range from the technocratic/reductionist (there is a Fat Gene and we need genetic therapies or surgical interventions to combat it), to moralistic (fat people are deficient in character or will power and need behaviour modification).  Studies of structural contributions to obesity, like land use patterns and urban form or food availability, pricing, and "redlined" neighbourhoods, are largely overlooked.

I recollect a study at least a decade ago which found that Europeans on average were healthier than Americans despite (a) eating all kinds of "sinful" foods and (b) weighing approximately the same, simply because the Europeans studied routinely walked reasonable distances for short daily errands, instead of driving everywhere.  Regular moderate exercise made an enormous difference in overall health even for people the American medical establishment would dismiss as "obese" or at least "overweight."

The cluster of health issues around "obesity" seems to me far more complex than simple measures of body weight or BMI.  Fat people who get a lot of exercise and a nutritious diet can be aggressively healthy;  fat people who get no exercise or derive their fatness from poor nutrition can suffer all kinds of morbidity.  And so on.  Media coverage tends to focus obsessively (and pejoratively) on the fatness of the individuals rather than their overall health picture, inequality and class correlations, and other structural issues threatening to the neoliberal dogma...

And yes, I'm back.  Long story.  More later.


The difference between theory and practise in practise ...

by DeAnander (de_at_daclarke_dot_org) on Mon Aug 29th, 2005 at 11:37:31 PM EST
The media likes their stories nice and simple. On top of that, by its nature the media is full of narcissists obsessed with their appearances. They sure as hell don't want to think of fat people being fitter than skinny ones.

Welcome back. Looking forward to the long story. All went well I hope?

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Aug 30th, 2005 at 05:04:49 AM EST
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Thank you for the interesting link and welcome back.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Aug 31st, 2005 at 01:34:58 AM EST
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It was enough to hear of the heroic efforts of the school districts when they removed the soda dispensers from the schools.  I remember when we couldn't even go to school with a soda in our hands.  If we broke one out of our backpack or lunch sack, we could get detention for a day or two.  You just couldn't do it.  However, in the 20 years since I left high school, the school districts were using these things as a way to gain a little revenue.

How sad is that?  Feed the kids empty-calorie habit with sugary drinks because the schools can't get all the funding they need?  Tells you a lot about the US.

by lgrooney (kns@kns.net) on Tue Aug 30th, 2005 at 10:14:12 AM EST
Thank you Fran - fascinating diary. We definitely have this obesity problem here in Fargo, ND.

I've taken to calling it "sumo-wrestler-itis" when I discuss the issue, so as not to offend others.  

I do agree that all factors mentioned above my post are relevant. However, I do believe aspartame should be considered for discussion here also.

Aspartame is the sugar substitute in diet soda (and many other process foods here in the US.) These diet sodas are very popular with our local "sumo-wrestlers." To my thinking, the diet sodas appear to have a reverse effect as to weight loss.  

In doing amateur research using google, "aspartame" or "aspartame seizures MS" I found the following;

"...Aspartame has been demonstrated to inhibit the carbohydrate induced synthesis of the neurotransmitter serotonin (Wurtman affidavit ). Serotonin blunts the sensation of craving carbohydrates and thus is part  of the body's feedback system that helps limit consumption to appropriate  levels.  Its inhibition by aspartame could lead to the anomalous result of  a diet product causing increased consumption of carbohydrates..."

Obesity Link

Seizure Link

MS Link

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