Italian homophobia in polls?

by DoDo
Wed Sep 14th, 2005 at 12:01:51 PM EST

Let's hear it for politicians with backbone - from the diaries (with minor edits) ~ whataboutbob

This post grew out of discussion in this thread.

Romano Prodi, the centrist leader of the opposition center-left L'Unione coalition in Italy, recently pursued a string of decidedly leftist issues. One of them was advocating civil unions, with the French model as example, but he was attacked by Christian Democrat centrists within his coalition (UDEUR party) and the right-wing government (UDC party), as well as other right-wingers in government and media types, for being a 'radical' like the new Anti-Christ of the Catholic Church, Spanish PM Zapatero.

Now, these people make a lot of noise, but should Prodi fear them, should he fear they'd steal his majority? Based on some polling evidence I could get hold of, I'll argue that he shouldn't.


According to the latest poll at an Italian poll-analysing site, the Catholic centrists in L'Unione, UDEUR, get just 1.3%. Also, the remains of the Christian Democrats in the right-wing governing coalition slipped to just 5.7%. However, L'Unione leads the governing coalition by 5.5%.

Moreover, consider what happened in the Province of Puglia, in the regional elections April this year. (I use the election pages of the centre-left paper La Repubblica.)

People voted for party lists for the regional assemblies, and separately voted for a regional president. In Puglia (the 'heel' of the Italian 'boot'), the latter was won by a certain Nichi Vendola. Now, what was spectacular about this victory was:

1 Vendola was selected in a US-style primaries vote by the base rather than chosen by party leaders as the most electable,
2 he is a communist,
3 he is openly gay,
4 he won in a Southern province (where people are more conservative),
5 he won with 6% more than the last centre-left candidate,
6 he won by more than the supporting L'Unione coalition on list votes (0.1% more - that must have come from the right!),
7 he won while the L'Unione vote included 3.28% vote for the Christian Democrat UDEUR and its centrist allies!

If Vendola could pull this off, I believe Prodi has nothing to fear from the pro-Vatican mafia in politics and media.

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He's a brave man to introduce it as an issue in such a strong Catholic country, that's for sure. I'm more and more impressed with Prodi, that's for sure...

"Once in awhile we get shown the light, in the strangest of places, if we look at it right" - Hunter/Garcia
by whataboutbob on Wed Sep 14th, 2005 at 09:33:42 AM EST
As Prodi pointed out in his rebuttal, his position is no different than that of Spain's ex-PM Aznar. Both Foreign Affairs Minister, Fini, and the Minister of Equal Opportunities, Prestigiacomo, agreed with Prodi.  Mastella, who is part of the Prodi coalition, corrected his initial declaration. After all, Prodi does not advocate gay marriages, he simply believes that couples, regardless of their gender make-up, should be recognized by civil law with its rights and responsibilities.

The Osservatore Romano is making a big issue out of it most likely at the behest of Cardinal Ruini. But so what? That's the name of their game. The Catholic Church as an institution has nothing to do with one's personal religious sentiments. I doubt many Catholics really care about most of the Vatican's positions, in this case the argument that civil unions will destroy the family (sic).

What does count is the right-wing media smear which immediately turned into barroom gay-bashing. The Roman rightwing "Il Tempo" did a front full page of Prodi caught in a cute pose with the title "Prodi can't shake off his little vice" where "vizietto" referred to the popular play and film "Cages aux foules." It's all very much in tune with the snide remark of AN Deputy Mirko Tremaglia last year that the European parliament is just a bunch of fags (for having refused the useful idiot Rocco Buttiglione). Sometimes the right just has to let it all hang out, perhaps to reassure themselves that it's still there.

 I think it will just backfire. Other than the Lega machos and some supposedly religious bigots with far too much press and presence in parliament, no Italian really gives a flying fuck about another person's sexuality. Which is one of the reasons that Niki Vendola won.

A sidebar on Niki. When Niki won his upset victory in the primaries, the left immediately blocked all the other primaries in the making. Niki was the last thing the left coalition party bosses wanted. They did not expect him to win nor foresaw his decisive bid for governorship. According to rightwing sources, Niki won the primaries because of organized cross-party voting. The right also thought he would be easier to beat. Which does give an idea how much both coalitions are in touch with Italian reality.

But this is all a tempest in a fishbowl. The real scandal is Berlusconi's attempt to change electoral law just before the elections to advantage himself or far worse, leave Italy ungovernable for the next legislation. There's a parliamentary putsch in act. Après moi, le deluge.

by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Wed Sep 14th, 2005 at 06:23:44 PM EST
Thank you for this great commentary!

Could you do us a diary on the election law change proposal? I have read of that, but not speaking Italian, I guess I missed a lot of details and deeper issues.

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A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Thu Sep 15th, 2005 at 04:41:15 AM EST
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Election law changes? Yes, please say some more...

"Once in awhile we get shown the light, in the strangest of places, if we look at it right" - Hunter/Garcia
by whataboutbob on Thu Sep 15th, 2005 at 05:35:38 AM EST
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