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WiMax is coming, Democracy saved. w/poll

by Sven Triloqvist
Wed Jan 25th, 2006 at 07:52:46 AM EST

WiMax is a new standard for wireless communications (IEEE 802.16) that facilitates the interconnection of WiFi hotspots into bigger networks. It also enables 'broadcasting' over up to 50 miles with direct line of sight (Though perhaps 10 miles will be the average)

A new faster WiFi standard just announced is one more step toward WiMax.

The point here is that WiMax will change the media game significantly. Remember Pirate Radio? Here comes Pirate Media. When you can put WiMax on your roof and address one million people in an urban area directly, the next stage of media decentralization will begin.

Just for fun, there's a poll

techie stuff below...from the front page ~ whataboutbob


WiMAX is a wireless metropolitan area network (MAN) technology that can connect IEEE 802.11 (Wi-Fi) hotspots with each other and to other parts of the Internet and provide a wireless alternative to cable and DSL for last mile (last km) broadband access. IEEE 802.16 provides up to 50 km (31 miles) of linear service area range and allows connectivity between users without a direct line of sight. Note that this should not be taken to mean that users 50 km (31 miles) away without line of sight will have connectivity. Practical limits from real world tests seem to be around "3 to 5 miles" (5 to 8 kilometers). The technology has been claimed to provide shared data rates up to 70 Mbit/s, which, according to WiMAX proponents, is enough bandwidth to simultaneously support more than 60 businesses with T1-type connectivity and well over a thousand homes at 1Mbit/s DSL-level connectivity. Real world tests, however, show practical maximum data rates between 500kbit/s and 2 Mbit/s, depending on conditions at a given site.
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The coming of WiMax...
. frightens the shit out of me 0%
. will totally democratize media 5%
. will lead to a new peer-to-peer culture bypassing all middlemen 23%
. will make politics local 5%
. is something I cannot comprehend 5%
. means more microwaves will frazzle our brains 23%
. will mean I can have my own TV channel 17%
. none of the above, but see my comment below 17%

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by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Jan 23rd, 2006 at 04:27:51 AM EST
How much is a WiMax hub expected to cost, and does WiMax obviate the need for a link to the ground-based internet?

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jan 23rd, 2006 at 05:34:14 AM EST
It is the same as WLAN except the local part gets a lot larger

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by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Jan 23rd, 2006 at 07:09:26 AM EST
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I always had fantasies of having my own pirate radio station...

yes, like Migeru asks...how much will this cost (though I'm sure it will ge cheaper in time...)

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by whataboutbob on Mon Jan 23rd, 2006 at 05:40:21 AM EST
Pirate radio station? Get real! (no offence meant) This is the birth of a non-corporate internet infrastructure!

The legislative (and legal) battle to keep a band of frequencies open individuals is going to be momentous. Anticipating this, one might think of writing to the European Commission already (as stakeholders) asking them to draft an EU directive demanding that EU member states keep a useful fraction of the band open to broadcasting (not just reception) by the public.

He who hits first hits twice.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jan 23rd, 2006 at 05:46:14 AM EST
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This is the same kind of threat to media such as broadcast TV, as Napster was to the music industry. They will fight it tooth and nail.

In the EU we have the possibility of avoiding such repression, as most people would see it as an enabling technology rather than a threat.

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by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Jan 23rd, 2006 at 07:16:03 AM EST
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Do you know people in the FFII? I am serious, they should prod the EU Commission to start working on a good directive instead of reacting to a bad one. The Commission is supposed to welcome input from "stakeholders" even as initiators of legislation.

We could also try to start the ball rolling from ET by writing a proposal, but FFII are the stakeholders and they have the lobbying infrastructure in place.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jan 23rd, 2006 at 07:21:41 AM EST
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If that is the FFII you mean, then I don't.

I agree about the backbone - all narrow physical logistic channels are both open to government intervention AND terrorist actions. And the Internet is such - with nodes and intercontinental connections particularly open to unwanted control.

Putting everything into the air, and decentralizing information flows will certainly help. But I am looking to a complete cultural paradigm shift that will reverse the hierarchy of power to become a bottom-up system.

Nomad told me in Amsterdam of the Dutch 'no-style' party of very interactive anarchists who have proposed getting an MP elected. The actions of the MP will then be defined by a) a manifesto and b) ongoing policy decisions, which are in themselves decided by the members of the interactive. This is an example of bottom-up decision processes. Since "We, the people" appears to be the basis of democracy, then let's have exactly that - let the people decide.

But ET is certainly the place to hash out the underlying questions. Maybe we can also contribute to the FFII actions?

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by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Jan 23rd, 2006 at 10:49:18 AM EST
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Allow me to set up my own WiMax hub and seamlessly insert myself as a node in the wireless internet, and I'll give you a paradigm shift.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jan 23rd, 2006 at 11:20:45 AM EST
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insert that paradigm shift into you ;-)

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by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Jan 23rd, 2006 at 12:23:48 PM EST
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Will I dream?

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jan 23rd, 2006 at 12:54:41 PM EST
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If the insertion process is managed by a mixture of Belgian customs officers searching for drugs, and an old time ship's stoker - it will be a nightmare...

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by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Jan 23rd, 2006 at 01:24:50 PM EST
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Personally I am not so much concerned with fighting the media providers as with breaking the monopoly of the backbone infrastructure providers.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jan 23rd, 2006 at 07:23:14 AM EST
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Cost is not yet determined, but I don't think it will be outrageous - once the new chipsets are on the market.

WiMax is already working in Colombia, though on what standard I don't know.

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by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Jan 23rd, 2006 at 07:12:20 AM EST
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Finally the possibility of running my network accross my village. Hurray?!?
by PeWi on Mon Jan 23rd, 2006 at 06:58:19 AM EST
Although, I might have to wait till 2007? I want it NOW! (-:
by PeWi on Mon Jan 23rd, 2006 at 06:59:15 AM EST
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when gas is $20 a gallon, and if we think the web is vital now, imagine how important it'll be then...

please post, someone, if there are petitions to sign to keep the corporate paws from blocking this.

or will it be seen as just like ham radio, with more bells 'n' whistles'?

the potential for human services, caring for elderly at home, and webcam medical visits (say aagh!) should be immense.

perhaps this appeal to compassion will serve to wedge the censorship door from closing.

perhaps if they succeed in drm-ing every new computer, then they would trust that hi-wi-fi wouldn't immediately bankrupt hollywood and the record companies; till then i'd be pleasantly surprised if there isn't very stiff opposition.

this roll-out could also serve to help revitalise rural communities, presently emptying out in the migrations to the cities, because of boredom and lack of economic opportunity.

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by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Mon Jan 23rd, 2006 at 10:39:39 AM EST
Even if there are no corporate paws to block, a legislative initiative should be started to pre-empt them. Pro-active, not reactive. Get the EU to draft the right directive, not to fix the wrong directive after it's rolled out. Get there before the corporations get there.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jan 23rd, 2006 at 10:46:47 AM EST
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The social ramifications of WiMax are, as you rightly pointed out, enormous. The Netherlands is a leader in this area.

I am especially interested in your point about rural communities. My proposals have long been, in Finland, about hi-speed access in rural areas. One plan was to put a broadband hub in the local school/s with a nearby flexible office building connected for outworkers (people working from home).

The point of the office building with hot-desking (ie no assigned space) was to allow people to enjoy the social aspects of offices and common tech facilities such as videoconferencing. A 5 km drive to the center is better than an 80 km drive to town every day (in fuel terms)

To some extent these 1990's proposals have been made obsolete by tech advances. Nokia is soon announcing an extension of it's mobile office concept to include videoconferencing and document visibility and exchange - all tied in to the usual productivity tools of mobile access to group calendars, reminders, contact lists etc.

The mobile office concept is built on an intermediate layer of rational phone number sequences visible to customers, which, underneath, connect to any worker, wherever they are. So I can work from home and no customer will know. Of course it is possible to remotely interrogate the call/communication center and tell them when you are travelling, sick or in a meeting etc. (ie unavailable temporarily)

New slogan ;-) "Nokia - Connecting the Dots"

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by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Jan 23rd, 2006 at 11:09:15 AM EST
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then it is only a metter of time before we get "Super Wimax" that goes beyond line of sight...then the EuroTribe goes live and truly pan-European !! <ahem, pardon my megalomania...>

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by whataboutbob on Mon Jan 23rd, 2006 at 11:27:20 AM EST
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Bob - this is where all your insight into groups could come in handy. I mean it's basically a cellular system - just the same. ;.-)

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by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Jan 23rd, 2006 at 01:26:42 PM EST
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Notice that nothing prevents the originator from putting up repeaters and spreading the signal another 3 to 5 miles.  And putting up more repeaters and spreading another 3 to 5 miles.  (Repeat)  Whether you could cover more than one major urban area this way is doubtful but you could cover major urban areas this way.  Putting the broadcast source as high as possible - the Eifel Tower, say - would make it easier to approach the maximum 50km/31 miles range.  

The trick would be to produce programming people want to watch/listen to regularly, day after day, after day, after day.  It's not easy.  

And then there is the sheer time it takes to produce a Visual Broadcast image.  For 'on the scene' reporting it's between 2 and 4 hours (IIRC) to produce 1 to 3 minutes of On-Air Time.  That is why most news shows spend most of the On-Air TIme focused on the News Anchor(s).  The next time you watch a major news outlet time the actual reporting and the time on the News Anchor(s).  

Other shows have an even higher production/1 minute Air Time ratio.  The only saving grace is the production of different episodes can be done in parallel.  

The US major networks want a show to run 40, +/- a bit, minutes per broadcast hour.  That gives them an incredibly annoying 20 minutes/hour to run those damn ads for stuff which also off-loads the cost of production of that air time to the advertisers. This would have to be checked by someone more marketing savvy than I but: My feeling is advertisers would pay the same for a smaller audience per ad/Air Time if they knew their message would be seen by more eyeballs per ad/Air Time - cut down the frickin' ad time to 2 or 3 minutes per break.  So even though you have a smaller audience a large enough revenue stream can be gotten?  Maybe?  

You have to get money coming in as you have to pay people involved otherwise they will quit.  Most TV work is long hours of a boring grind and the only way to keep your competent, creative, people is to give them enough money to compensate.  A friend who worked on a TV show had to be on-set by 5:00 AM and wouldn't get home until 10:00 or 11:00 PM at night.  He would do that for 7 months of the year and physically recover during the other 5 months.  Those are not uncommon hours for the crew of a show working the shoot or doing post-production.

A significant advantage WiMax offers is the combination of TV, Radio, Film, Print, and Internet from the start.  This not only avoids the faction fighting between each medium it also means you have one management structure not fivd management structures.  It sounds silly but the major media companies are drowning from the expense of their own bureaucracy and turf battles.  

My 2 cents.


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by ATinNM on Mon Jan 23rd, 2006 at 11:56:37 AM EST
The real revolution is that, once a critical density of technically savvy users is achieved, you don't need an Internet Service Provided any longer. I'll let others go bankrupt trying to make a competitive TV channel, I'll just provide a repeater station for free (since I'd like to have a node for my own use anyway: think ham-radio).

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jan 23rd, 2006 at 12:07:48 PM EST
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only applies to greasing existing media into a new technology. I believe that the technology would enable whole new types of communication peer-to-peer.

For instance, house-bound seniors could have their own group to share family pictures and videoconference with others - even play virtual cards!

A local chain  of shops could have their own channel.

A group of young musicians could have their own music station that plays their kind of music (and created by them) every evening.

Local newspapers get out of the print business all together and have a WiMax station with ads.

You can think of a hundred examples - and probably none of them will happen, because some bright sparks discover a totally new way of thinking about interpersonal communications. (And we always think in terms of the past)

And think of this - even if Bush Inc. finds a way to shut down the internet, Finland could still have a national WiMax network.

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by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Jan 23rd, 2006 at 01:39:02 PM EST
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Even if the government finds a way to shut down the internet, the people could still have a global WiMax network.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jan 23rd, 2006 at 01:42:05 PM EST
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I just didn't want to sound too optimistic!

But the soft protocols for WiMax do enable the creation of networks. And a public system would not require so big infrastructure investments, because the microlink and gsm towers are already in place.

But the private system (WiMax on my roof) is by far the more interesting. As usual, we'll probably get a hybrid.

I guess the big white goods box stores that sell fridges and food mixers will soon have nice white servers for every home. You'll need one, and some heavy storage - but all of these are getting very cheap now.

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by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Jan 23rd, 2006 at 01:52:57 PM EST
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I appreciate your insight into how broadcast content is made, but I think you're overly pessimistic when you say:

The trick would be to produce programming people want to watch/listen to regularly, day after day, after day, after day.  It's not easy.

The Web is already a vehicle for tons of cooperatively generated content. Flickr and this site are just 2 examples. I see no reason why a WiMax broadcasting site (we need a whole new terminology for this, don't we) can't function as a aggegator of video podcasts.

"Ideas or the lack of them can cause disease." - Kurt Vonnegut

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Mon Jan 23rd, 2006 at 02:11:29 PM EST
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It is not going to be old media content shoehorned into a new carrier, but a whole new way of interacting.

Just think of all those digital still and video cameras out there. If you think that only professionals can communicate, you are wrong. Admittedly we are in for a surfeit of crap, but all that I have seen in personal communications - from webpages to podcasts to vodcasts - shows that many many, many people have something to say and find a way to say it. It may not be TV as we know it, but do we expect our friends to be like Ricky Gervais all the time? No!

We expect our friends to be loyal, sharing, sympathetic, involved and reliable. We don't expect our friends to entertain us all the time (nor do we expect them to be celebrities)- and that is what these new networks will be about - sharing.

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by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Jan 23rd, 2006 at 03:09:21 PM EST
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thanks for making my intro text more elegant

I really have to learn about posting graphics and urls. I can outgraph Jeome (sans accents), any day

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by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Jan 23rd, 2006 at 03:22:27 PM EST
In the midst of churning out a dev (development, not girl) proposal for Ukraine, I don't have time to read blogs every day.  Just checked in here while getting my brain awake for this day, and saw the WiMax topic.

The dev proposal includes four components, one of which is improved Internet communications.  That means WiMax.  WiFi is too limited in range to work up a mesh of users in a sparsely populated user environment such as Ukraine.  Users in near-proximity to each other, maybe 100 meters apart, are needed to spread a WiFi signal and make connection with the Internet backbone.  There aren't enough here yet, not least due to Ukraine's preventing the use of wireless Internet.  With WiMax, one user can be 20 km or more from the backbone and still reach it without any other users being involved.

The main problem is the cost.  Customer premises equipment (CPE) for WiMax is around $400, compared to a dial-up modem cost of about $20.  Very few people can afford $400 for what amounts to a wireless modem, hence the proposed dev component to subsidize costs and get things going in regions of Ukraine (at least 90% of the country) where broadband won't otherwise reach for at least a decade, probably longer.

Further, in a curious holdover from Old Ukraine and Soviet times, wireless communications of all types are tightly restricted, requiring time and money and paperwork and documents and stamps and chocolate and cognac to get permissions, money being the main ingredient.  That in turn cuts down on services not delivered by land lines, most of the latter controlled and owned by Ukrtelecom.  (That's probably the main point of impeding wireless communications.)

In Ukraine, cost and politics stand in the way of WiMax (and WiFi, for that matter.)  In the US and Western Europe, cost will continue to be a factor until CPE costs drop below $100 per user (based on extensive broadband research I and a colleague did for this dev proposal in UK.)  Politics also impede, such as in Philadelphia where a publicly funded and owned MAN (metropolitan area network) for low-cost broadband is being challenged by existing service providers and their in-pocket politicians.

WiMax is a great idea, and will likely become a common deployment standard, if the not THE standard, over time.  It's not quite there yet.  But the principle is sound, and should be just a matter of time.  Going over  top of existing wire infrastructure is sure to present some messy, costly fights along the way, because wired infrastructure runs the risk of being rendered as obsolete as an 80286 PC.

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by US expat Ukraine on Wed Jan 25th, 2006 at 01:35:53 AM EST
Thanks for this!

Always good to get a few facts in with all the speculation. I am often accused here of being over optimistic about technology. But having lived through the birth and death of Telex, Telefax, Fixed Line Telephony, NMT, VHS, etc etc etc - and also having started in this game with 5" floppies that held 48k, I have come to the conclusion that whatever I can imagine will come true.

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by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Jan 25th, 2006 at 03:03:54 AM EST
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ot meta:

what a juicy thread... i love the rate of comment flow on this site right now. it's as relaxed as a bunch of folks could be.

 i know it'll be great for this site to grow, and uncover new gifted diarists, but i'm still having sleepless nights trying to keep up with the firehose that is dkos....enquiring insomniacs want to see what info-overload really means, and coming here is like stumbling across of mellow pensionati, playing and contemplating a leisurely game of boules!

whew!

slow food, now slow blogging.

back on topic:

this wimax thing: after p2p, this is the next big cat to climb out of the bag, it looks like.

it must drive the control freaks c-r-a-z-y

bring it on; i've surely stopped believing the lies about broadband rollout from my local telecom, sigh.

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by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Jan 25th, 2006 at 11:12:38 PM EST
and you come in at the end of a 2 day old diary!!! ;-)

Now that IS taking it easy...

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by Sven Triloqvist on Thu Jan 26th, 2006 at 12:28:02 PM EST
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Just thinking about the GSM antennas (mobile phone) and the non-ionising radiation debates, at which frequencies and power are these WiMAX devices emitting ?
by Hansvon on Thu Jan 26th, 2006 at 03:08:47 AM EST
If I recall - a WiMax protocol, IEEE 802.16-2005, approved December, 2005 operates in the 10 - 60 gHz range.

But I'll have to check...

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by Sven Triloqvist on Thu Jan 26th, 2006 at 12:26:52 PM EST
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